motor cycle lights at night

[urleft]

If you believe the police then there it is.

Are you going to ask iammike to show you the law or is personnel experience from him enough for your fickle mind?

I have offered you the opportunity to try to prove what I said as wrong.

Take it or take a hike.

LOL, you make a claim that it is illegal, can't provide the specific law (Note that I provided a specific reference to the 150 meters) and now you say it is up to me to prove you wrong. 

Hell, you never proved yourself right.  Hearing something said is not proof that it is law, showing the applicable statute is proof it is really the law.  You are using "Proof by assertion" : 

Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion

Note the term fallacy which is associated with your proof.




But then that is typical for you, can't back up your assertions with documentation. 


As far as mike, he confirmed that the police say it is law, which I have said I believe.   


BTW, my TW said the police told her that when you get a ticket they can't give you another one that day.  I have been told that several times.  But I don't see it as a statute, I am inclined not to believe that one. 

[Starman]

I can confirm that I once received a ticket for no licence, I had left it at home. I got stopped again that day and produced the ticket. No more fine as it was same day.

Now call me a liar again. Go on.

I take it you don't want to go to the police station with me to confirm these facts. Hence you are nothing but a troll. A person trying to get to the truth, as you often say you are, would not turn down such an offer to get the truth from the horse's mouth.

Troll on.

[urleft]

I can confirm that I once received a ticket for no licence, I had left it at home. I got stopped again that day and produced the ticket. No more fine as it was same day.

Now call me a liar again. Go on.

I take it you don't want to go to the police station with me to confirm these facts. Hence you are nothing but a troll. A person trying to get to the truth, as you often say you are, would not turn down such an offer to get the truth from the horse's mouth.

Troll on.

Starman, why can't you back up your assertion with the written law?   Notice, I have nowhere disputed what you heard the police tell you, but if it's illegal, there needs to be written law. 


I know that would involve research and using documentation to back up what you say.  Now if I would have been in your shoes and was called in to help translate for someone and the police said it was it for driving with with headlights on during  the day, I would have asked to see the written law to ensure proper understanding. 


I have linked to a written reference which I believe it was CoCo that originally provided, and I did not see your headlight assertion in it.  But there are mentions of other regulations that are not provided.  So there are several possibilities:

1.  The law has been updated since the translation.
2.   The translation failed to include that law.
3.   The police are ticketing people even though there is no law. 
4.   Other. 

Furthermore the translation uses the term "Vehicles" for most of the statutes, in case of it being illegal to drive with headlights on during the day motorcycles would have to be excluded from the law, or the Police are ignoring the law for that vehicle type.



So you said it is "it is illegal to drive a car with the lights on when it is not dark", you have failed to prove that.   What you have done is alert us here that police can/will ticket car/trucks for that supposed infraction. 


And you are doing the typical Starman, when pressed to provide a specific reference, link, document, etc. you launch into ridicule. 

[Starman]

A document published in 1979.

Who is likely to stand in front of a police man and say "I don't believe you until you show me written proof"?

The point is that I am willing to prove this point either way. You, it seems, are not.

Best you go and sit back under your little bridge.

[Sofa_King]

It has been posted on TV that a few people have been fined for driving with the headlights on in the daytime .Something about only Royalty, police escorts and other dignitaries can use lights during the day.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/704299-what-daytime-running-lights-to-get/

TBO..if people think it's safer to drive with their headlights on then do it...and just pay the small fine if they are stopped

[nookiebear]

What about the farcical situation when a normal service bus is hired out......This seems to give them the right to stay in the outside lane with their headlights on!!

[DeputyDavid]

Well I'm driving with lights on. At checkpoint say yes thank you and a few meters later turn them on again. It's only common sense safety. Which of course has nothing to do with Thai safety.

[urleft]

A document published in 1979.

Who is likely to stand in front of a police man and say "I don't believe you until you show me written proof"?

The point is that I am willing to prove this point either way. You, it seems, are not.

Best you go and sit back under your little bridge.

Starman, here are facts.  Dispute them with exact quotes.   


1.  I called you a liar, I readily admit that.  So was your post I was responding to:
  a)  The Truth
  b)  Other

    If a) I owe you an apology and will do so when you prove it.   If b) than I was correct in what I stated. 


2.  I have consistently asked you to provide the statute where  you stated:  "it is illegal to drive a car with the lights on when it is not dark".  You have failed to do that.  You are the expert on Thai translations, not me, so me talking to the police is useless.  Just provide the law.  Proof is what is written in the law, not what someone says.  Where exactly were you "willing" to provide that documented proof?   Again, to back up what I say I would either go to the source to prove it, admit it may not be correct, or back off;  all you do is continue to try to prove by repeated (fallacy) assertion and ridiculing me.  A typical loser response.


3.  And yes, the document I referenced was from 1979 (which I already acknowledged can have been updated).  What exact document are you referencing to overrule it?  So far you have only provided hearsay. 


So as the BE expert on Thai Language and translation, you have yet to provide a single document, you only provided "Proof by assertion".  And when called on it you resort to ridicule rather than documents and/or links.   

[Starman]

So you finally prove my point.

Thank you.

[urleft]

So you finally prove my point.

Thank you.

Yup, I prove that when confronted with facts you cannot handle it.    LOL


Now if you call me a liar I say quote my words.  You fail to do that.   I called you a liar, why don't you challenge me with quoting your words? 




As usual Starman has to fall back on ridicule rather than facts. 

[Sofa_King]

Urleft and Starman...please stop or go and get room 

How about this one .....  A fine day: Driver fined THB400 for not stopping car during national anthem

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/07/12/fine-day-driver-fined-thb400-not-stopping-car-during-national-anthem

Now I challenge anyone ( or urleft ) to find the law stating that you must stop your car if you hear the national song and/or see the country’s flag being raised.

Just because you can't find the law written down doesn't mean the Police wont fine you if they see fit  . People have been fined for Driving with their Car lights on ...FACT.......whether you can find the law written down or not , simple as that     

[urleft]

Urleft and Starman...please stop or go and get room 

How about this one .....  A fine day: Driver fined THB400 for not stopping car during national anthem

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/07/12/fine-day-driver-fined-thb400-not-stopping-car-during-national-anthem

Now I challenge anyone ( or urleft ) to find the law stating that you must stop your car if you hear the national song and/or see the country’s flag being raised.

Just because you can't find the law written down doesn't mean the Police wont fine you if they see fit  . People have been fined for Driving with their Car lights on ...FACT.......whether you can find the law written down or not , simple as that     

Some pointed out that this might be just a hoax, considering that the fine bill is not stamped and there’s no officer’s name written.


From your link sofa-king amazing. 


I will be glad to stop when I can get the truth, something that Starman does not recognize. 


And sofa king, notice that I recognized that police can fine you without the law. But Starman said it was illegal, which should be proved. 

[davureborn]

.. to be continued, inevitably, until someone gets the last word.

[Starman]

.. to be continued, inevitably, until someone gets the last word.

Quite the opposite, Davu.

I have offered to do exactly what Urleft is asking. I am waiting for a time and date.

Nuff said.

[Sofa_King]

Some pointed out that this might be just a hoax, considering that the fine bill is not stamped and there’s no officer’s name written.


From your link sofa-king amazing. 

Why do you quote just a sentence that suits your purpose

According to Daily News, Metropolitan Police Bureau deputy chief Adul Narongsak urged that the fine bill posted on Facebook be thoroughly scrutinized. The officer added that it’s plausible that a fine bill like this might be given in the provinces, where they might be less stringent about stamps and signatures.
Moreover, the officer explained that there really is a law stating that you must stop your car if you hear the national song and/or see the country’s flag being raised. Those who disobey could face up to a THB4,000 fine and two years in prison.

Whether is was a fake/hoax or not  Metropolitan Police Bureau deputy chief Adul Narongsak  did comfirm that there is a law to show the ticket could be real