THAILAND - EVIL AND CORRUPT

[Prakhonchai Nick]

Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?

Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.

Then I imagine your wife -in your absence - instilled sufficient discipline into them that they became satisfactory citizens, and did not engage in a life of crime.

I wonder whether your respected friend Bruce Reynolds received sufficient education and discipline as a child from both parents and school. It seemingly took him many years of being a criminal before he became a better citizen!

[Starman]

I posted something here but the post didn't register. What I said has been covered a little but I will re post.

The major problem is whether the parents care.

If the parents don't care then there is not much that can be done.

If the parents care for their children too much, IE. "My son/daughter is an angel. They never do anything wrong at home. It must be the other kids' or the teachers' fault", which the major problem here in Thailand, then there is nothing that can be done.

I have also witnessed a situation where the parents did care but their response was, and this is really unbelievable " we cannot punish our son because we are scared of him". WTF.

[smoooth2]

This post is in reply to Alberts  "REALLY"



Yes ... REALLY

There will always be kids that grow up to become Rambo, or The Incredibles, and fear neither man nor beast, but not many.

How many expats reading this post can HONESTLY say that they did not fear punishment as a kid growing up ?

It's one of the ways that kids learn right from wrong. The fear of being punished.

Kids are quick learners ... most will learn valuable life skills from being punished for doing the wrong thing. Some might get a bit of a tongue lashing from Mum, or some might get marched off to the Headmasters office, or you might get a clip under the ear from Dad. But it's still punishment and kids need to have a respect and fear of that.

Even as adults, we still fear punishment. It's why we stop at red lights, why we wear seatbelts, why we don't fudge too much on tax returns, why we don't shoplift etc etc

It's the FEAR of being punished if caught doing the wrong thing. It's healthy, it's normal, it's an orderly society.

[Albert]

Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?

Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.

Then I imagine your wife -in your absence - instilled sufficient discipline into them that they became satisfactory citizens, and did not engage in a life of crime.

I wonder whether your respected friend Bruce Reynolds received sufficient education and discipline as a child from both parents and school. It seemingly took him many years of being a criminal before he became a better citizen!

I know the background of where Bruce was raised not a very nice place,similar to where i come from.
The parents and school would have been very strict with him,but that's the whole point,punish your child when it does wrong but don't punish the child to the point of destroying it.

Punish you child to make them realize the difference between right and wrong,but if your punishment is in excess it can have the reverse affect.
Pain can be dealt with it all depends on how you deal with it.
Just saying not looking for argument.

[Starman]

Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?

Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.

Then I imagine your wife -in your absence - instilled sufficient discipline into them that they became satisfactory citizens, and did not engage in a life of crime.

I wonder whether your respected friend Bruce Reynolds received sufficient education and discipline as a child from both parents and school. It seemingly took him many years of being a criminal before he became a better citizen!

I know the background of where Bruce was raised not a very nice place,similar to where i come from.
The parents and school would have been very strict with him,but that's the whole point,punish your child when it does wrong but don't punish the child to the point of destroying it.

Punish you child to make them realize the difference between right and wrong,but if your punishment is in excess it can have the reverse affect.
Pain can be dealt with it all depends on how you deal with it.
Just saying not looking for argument.

I think that is pretty much a summary of what most people are thinking.

[Albert]

This post is in reply to Alberts  "REALLY"



Yes ... REALLY

There will always be kids that grow up to become Rambo, or The Incredibles, and fear neither man nor beast, but not many.

How many expats reading this post can HONESTLY say that they did not fear punishment as a kid growing up ?

It's one of the ways that kids learn right from wrong. The fear of being punished.

Kids are quick learners ... most will learn valuable life skills from being punished for doing the wrong thing. Some might get a bit of a tongue lashing from Mum, or some might get marched off to the Headmasters office, or you might get a clip under the ear from Dad. But it's still punishment and kids need to have a respect and fear of that.

Even as adults, we still fear punishment. It's why we stop at red lights, why we wear seatbelts, why we don't fudge too much on tax returns, why we don't shoplift etc etc

It's the FEAR of being punished if caught doing the wrong thing. It's healthy, it's normal, it's an orderly society.

There was nothing normal or healthy or orderly about the beatings i took as a kid,at home or in school.
But the more they beat me the stronger i got,in the end the pain become a part of life,and all i wanted to do was inflict pain back,on anyone who stood in my way.
Not saying your wrong i just think their has to be another way,and i am not trying to cause an argument before anyone suggests that i am.

[candy]

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-EQ6eHeBrhM#t=56s

[JimNasium]

Someone HAD to do this:

Not saying your wrong i just think their has to be another way,and i am not trying to cause an argument before anyone suggests that i am.

Definition of YOUR
1: of or relating to you or yourself or yourselves especially as possessor or possessors <your bodies>, agent or agents <your contributions>, or object or objects of an action <your discharge>
2: of or relating to one or oneself <when you face the north, east is at your right>
3—used with little or no meaning almost as an equivalent to the definite article the <your typical teenager>
Examples of YOUR
1.   Please wash your hands before dinner.
2.   What is your new house like?
3.   You forgot your wallet at the restaurant.
4.   Don't worry about me—you've got your own problems.
5.   Did you finish your homework?
6.   With your permission, we can take a blood test.

Definition of YOU'RE
: you are

Definition of THERE
1: in or at that place <stand over there> —often used interjectionally
2: to or into that place : THITHER <went there after church>
3: at that point or stage <stop right there before you say something you'll regret>
4: in that matter, respect, or relation <there is where I disagree with you>
5—used interjectionally to express satisfaction, approval, encouragement or sympathy, or defiance <there, it's finished>
Examples of THERE
1.   Put the package there on the table.
2.   Go to your room and stay there.
3.   Turn there at the church.
4.   She was sitting there a minute ago.
5.   They have lived there for 30 years.
6.   When will you be there?
7.   I used to live near there.
8.   What do you see out there?
9.   If we leave now, we should get there by noon.
10.   I drove the kids there.

Definition of THEIR
1: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
2: his or her : HIS, HER, ITS —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses — W. H. Auden>
Examples of THEIR
1.   All the furniture in their house is brand-new.
2.   They are on friendly terms with their neighbors.
3.   The students are seeking to exercise their rights.
4.   The birds have left their nest.
5.   The trees have all shed their leaves.
6.   Their artwork is on display at the museum.
7.   He was angry because of their arriving late.

[Albert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-EQ6eHeBrhM#t=56s

Just saying the way it is,but there will always be a smart ass.

[Albert]

Someone HAD to do this:

Not saying your wrong i just think their has to be another way,and i am not trying to cause an argument before anyone suggests that i am.

Definition of YOUR
1: of or relating to you or yourself or yourselves especially as possessor or possessors <your bodies>, agent or agents <your contributions>, or object or objects of an action <your discharge>
2: of or relating to one or oneself <when you face the north, east is at your right>
3—used with little or no meaning almost as an equivalent to the definite article the <your typical teenager>
Examples of YOUR
1.   Please wash your hands before dinner.
2.   What is your new house like?
3.   You forgot your wallet at the restaurant.
4.   Don't worry about me—you've got your own problems.
5.   Did you finish your homework?
6.   With your permission, we can take a blood test.

Definition of YOU'RE
: you are

Definition of THERE
1: in or at that place <stand over there> —often used interjectionally
2: to or into that place : THITHER <went there after church>
3: at that point or stage <stop right there before you say something you'll regret>
4: in that matter, respect, or relation <there is where I disagree with you>
5—used interjectionally to express satisfaction, approval, encouragement or sympathy, or defiance <there, it's finished>
Examples of THERE
1.   Put the package there on the table.
2.   Go to your room and stay there.
3.   Turn there at the church.
4.   She was sitting there a minute ago.
5.   They have lived there for 30 years.
6.   When will you be there?
7.   I used to live near there.
8.   What do you see out there?
9.   If we leave now, we should get there by noon.
10.   I drove the kids there.

Definition of THEIR
1: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
2: his or her : HIS, HER, ITS —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses — W. H. Auden>
Examples of THEIR
1.   All the furniture in their house is brand-new.
2.   They are on friendly terms with their neighbors.
3.   The students are seeking to exercise their rights.
4.   The birds have left their nest.
5.   The trees have all shed their leaves.
6.   Their artwork is on display at the museum.
7.   He was angry because of their arriving late.

Do you understand the Definition of f..k off.

[Starman]

Someone HAD to do this:

Not saying your wrong i just think their has to be another way,and i am not trying to cause an argument before anyone suggests that i am.

Definition of YOUR
1: of or relating to you or yourself or yourselves especially as possessor or possessors <your bodies>, agent or agents <your contributions>, or object or objects of an action <your discharge>
2: of or relating to one or oneself <when you face the north, east is at your right>
3—used with little or no meaning almost as an equivalent to the definite article the <your typical teenager>
Examples of YOUR
1.   Please wash your hands before dinner.
2.   What is your new house like?
3.   You forgot your wallet at the restaurant.
4.   Don't worry about me—you've got your own problems.
5.   Did you finish your homework?
6.   With your permission, we can take a blood test.

Definition of YOU'RE
: you are

Definition of THERE
1: in or at that place <stand over there> —often used interjectionally
2: to or into that place : THITHER <went there after church>
3: at that point or stage <stop right there before you say something you'll regret>
4: in that matter, respect, or relation <there is where I disagree with you>
5—used interjectionally to express satisfaction, approval, encouragement or sympathy, or defiance <there, it's finished>
Examples of THERE
1.   Put the package there on the table.
2.   Go to your room and stay there.
3.   Turn there at the church.
4.   She was sitting there a minute ago.
5.   They have lived there for 30 years.
6.   When will you be there?
7.   I used to live near there.
8.   What do you see out there?
9.   If we leave now, we should get there by noon.
10.   I drove the kids there.

Definition of THEIR
1: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
2: his or her : HIS, HER, ITS —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses — W. H. Auden>
Examples of THEIR
1.   All the furniture in their house is brand-new.
2.   They are on friendly terms with their neighbors.
3.   The students are seeking to exercise their rights.
4.   The birds have left their nest.
5.   The trees have all shed their leaves.
6.   Their artwork is on display at the museum.
7.   He was angry because of their arriving late.

Thanks very much to the Grammar and Spelling police, namely PC Cut and Sgt Paste.

[Speros]

There is I difference between beating and disciplining a child, I was on the receiving end of a few whacks with wooden spoons and the like, in the main I deserved it and it put me back in to line. Beating a child is just abuse and is wrong.....

[dimple joe]

Do you understand the Definition of f..k off.

Well said that man !! 

We don't need the spelling police here thank you; try Thai Visa.

[CO-CO]

Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?

Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.

Then I imagine your wife -in your absence - instilled sufficient discipline into them that they became satisfactory citizens, and did not engage in a life of crime.

I wonder whether your respected friend Bruce Reynolds received sufficient education and discipline as a child from both parents and school. It seemingly took him many years of being a criminal before he became a better citizen!

I know the background of where Bruce was raised not a very nice place,similar to where i come from.
The parents and school would have been very strict with him,but that's the whole point,punish your child when it does wrong but don't punish the child to the point of destroying it.

Punish you child to make them realize the difference between right and wrong,but if your punishment is in excess it can have the reverse affect.
Pain can be dealt with it all depends on how you deal with it.
Just saying not looking for argument.

I think you are actually making quite a good argument for the other side of corporal punishment.

Remarkably, it seems that virtually all posters are saying - discipline is a good thing if it is appropriate and administered correctly. The main intention being to make the subject (child) understand what he had done wrong and what the consequences of that action were - for him and others.

I wholeheartedly agree that constant or excessive punishment is wrong to the point of it being (as Speros said) abuse.

[CO-CO]

Do you understand the Definition of f..k off.

Well said that man !! 

We don't need the spelling police here thank you; try Thai Visa.

As I have often said, there is nothing wrong with my spelling but my typing is shit at times.....................