Yet Another Gun Outrage in USA

[Jamaw]

''There are none so blind as those that do not wish to see.''

I'm not disputing this fact. I'm questioning such a young child having access to a weapon. You quote one instance because it suits your argument but you fail to see the bigger picture that everyone has been pushing; weapons are far too easily available in the USA.

I could refer to the young black lad who was shot by the part-time security guard in Florida several months ago, just because he looked suspicious. A weapon, if used, should be the last resort not, as it seems in many cases in the USA the first thing to do.

Your country has a gun culture that is killing more and more innocent Americans and if you can't see that it's because you don't want to.

You have still failed to produce a coherent argument. Quoting small individual cases to justify a mass of weapons is illogical.

[Starman]

Hooray for the 1st amendment. Opine away at your leisure gentlemen; as there will never be a conclusive end to this discussion.

[Jamaw]

I will agree with that Starman...as there are none so blind...

[rufusredtail]

 One man killed 35 people in my country , you will remember this it happened in tasmania, in someways australia can thank that man, reason been THE GUN LAWS WERE CHANGED FOREVER, and so they should have been, i agree with many that have said WHY do you need a gun at home ,some have said to defend themselves from what another person with a gun, ringing ooo or 911 and someone attends quickly is a better situation,  i dont know statics here in australia, but it seems not that many shootings , i agree you will never keep them getting into the wrong hands , all in all i think many lives would be saved and much heartache avoided by CHANGING THE GUN LAWS IN AMERICA.

[urleft]

And then there is the do as I say, not as I do crowd that tell the rest of us how to live and then do something else:


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service


Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.

The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.

But protecting the rest of our children is not worth the risk of armed guards.  The "Gun Free Zone" is protection enough. 

[rufusredtail]

Just out of curiosty urleft how many guns do you own .

[urleft]

Just out of curiosty urleft how many guns do you own .

Remington 12 Gauge w/ extra slug barrel
WWII Jap 7.7mm bolt action rifle (my uncle got in during the war)
Remington 22. Cal Rifle
20 ga shot gun
Glock .40 cal pistol
Ruger .357 pistol
Berretta .25 cal semi-auto pistol
RWS .177 cal air rifle
.177 Air pistol
Daisy BB pistol

So that would make 10.  Have some plans to get more, specifically some Over Under shotgun set for Trap/Skeet.  And I would love to have the .50 Cal Sniper rifle, but can't justify the expense, yet. 

[Bigbus]

Can't even go put a fire out in the US and fireman get shot....when will they learn....

[rufusredtail]

I would also interested to know , in australia if you own a gun and not many do as i have said , those who have registered gun or guns have to have a safe to put them into , is that the law there , and do you have to have all the guns you own registered with anyone.

[urleft]

Can't even go put a fire out in the US and fireman get shot....when will they learn....

If only they had declared it a Gun Free Zone then this never would have happened. 

Or maybe the US should use the Norway model of July 2011, or maybe the UK Combria plan.  Too bad there was not more gun control. 

[RonTexas]

Obama's children are protected at no expense to him. Are yours?

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[Ahab]

I would also interested to know , in australia if you own a gun and not many do as i have said , those who have registered gun or guns have to have a safe to put them into , is that the law there , and do you have to have all the guns you own registered with anyone.

It depends on which state you live in. Connecticut has some of the strictest gun laws and they did not help in this case. In Hawaii (where I live) all guns are registered (handgun, hunting guns, semi-auto rifles, shotguns, etc.) with the State of Hawaii. Any responsible gun owner should have a safe to store the guns securely (I have two).

BTW a friend of mine from work went to the Honolulu police station to register a gun purchased before the Connecticut school shooting (14 day mandatory waiting period, even though he owns multiple firearms) and the line was three hours long. All (and I mean all) the gun stores in Hawaii are sold out of AR-15 type semi-automatic rifles, probably in anticipation of some type of ban. I believe this is happening throughout the USA.

 

[Ahab]

And then there is the do as I say, not as I do crowd that tell the rest of us how to live and then do something else:


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service


Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.

The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.

But protecting the rest of our children is not worth the risk of armed guards.  The "Gun Free Zone" is protection enough.

I guess Obama and most liberals believe that their children are worth protecting with armed guards, but parents that cannot afford 1 million Baht per year to send their children to the best private schools deserve what they get.

Liberal ideas get people killed.

[Ahab]

I have stated that it is a fact that the USA has the worst road safety record of the developed world but if you need me to publish evidence of what is common knowledge then you are more ignorant and insular than I first thought.

So using your logic cars should be illegal in the USA, or maybe roads should be illegal?

[Ahab]

Yup, another crazy:

Spengler was found with multiple guns, which were not legal for him to possess because of a manslaughter conviction from 1981.  He spent 17 years in prison for the death his grandmother. He killed her with a hammer.
 
So we have a criminal illegally possessing guns.  How do we stop criminals from possessing guns?
 
What country has found a way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

Maybe we need to make it more illegal for him to have the guns that he had illegally to begin with. The way to stop criminals from possessing guns is to take all the guns away from the law abiding citizens (who actually follow the current gun laws). It is so simple that it is stupid, or is it so stupid that it seems simple?

Why are Europeans so against the ability for someone (who is legally able, capable, and trained) to be able to own a gun for self defense? I don't get it.