Yet Another Gun Outrage in USA

[Alan]

I have no love for guns and find peoples obsession with them quite disturbing. Guns take out much of the skill and fear in killing. They are designed to do maximum damage with minimum effort. One crazy person with very few guns can cause a massive amount of death and destuction.
America recently spent alot of money, effort and lives invading a country on the grounds of weapons of mass destruction. What determins a weapon of mass destruction?
26 killed in a matter of minutes by one person whom had easy access to weapons most US citizens consider the norm! Sounds like a weapon of mass destruction to me!
It seems a bit odd that the USA are happy to drag the rest of the world into waring conflicts outside its own borders but very reluctant to act on its own failings.
Regarding the responcible owner keeping unloaded guns in a locked safe for protection against intruders. In the event of an agressive intruder entering your house, do you, 1. Call the police before you go to your locked gun cabinate? 2. Get shot whilst attempting to get to your cabinet? 3. Unlock the cabinet then get shot whilst loading your gun hence giving criminal access to all your guns? 4. Or keep a gun in an irresponcible manner, in every room loaded ready to for action to be used or played with by any person that happens upon them?
Fact is in most cases the unloaded gun in the locked cabinet in some part of the house will not be accessable and ready for use when needed.

Arguements for God given rights! Who's god? Thats what most of the conflicts in the world are about ffs!
Arguements about rights passed on from the war of independance. A war fought by the colonists for a "United" States of America. The USA is looking pretty ununited at the moment with those that want a different society without guns in every house. These people are Americans too but the gun squad camp seem to show little tolerance for there fellow countrymans wishes. Perhaps its time to move forward instead of holding onto rights laid down 200 odd years ago when life in America was very different to today! 

At the end of the day it is America's problem but it does have a responcibility to take action to protect its citizens and foreign visitors which it clearly cannot do with its present day lifestyle policies.

You have covered quite a few topics here; however, I certainly agree with your first paragraph; I have not love for guns, either. 
The American 'Bill of Rights' was not an American original, nor did they originate with the American Revolution.  They were copied from England; with the 2nd amendment originating from the Glorious Revolution of 1688, where the King of England wanted to prohibit Protestants from being armed.  Much easier to control, that way.

Many Americans would love to go back to the days of Thomas Jefferson; keeping our concerns, troops and money on our side of the oceans.  However, between world events, the UN and the crazies of the world attempting to annihilate various groups they don't agree with, the USA has been called on, again and again, to serve as the worlds policemen; a chore which is impossible and unappreciated.

Recent gun outrage in the USA forces the focus on firearms; in the opinion of many, an equal or larger focus should be turned toward the government guided decline of mental healthcare and the closing of facilities over the past 20 plus years.  I, myself, have to ask how is it possible these nutcase shooters had access to firearms; how are ex-con's able to acquire an arsenal?   If you or I are trying to work with a mentally challenged person, we would likely expose the person to some other activity;  not put a gun in their hand.  Violent video games are certainly not a plus, either.   
The USA is attempting to deal with their problems.  At this point, outlawing firearms in the USA would only take away the guns of law abiding citizens.  As much as I dislike firearms, I am forced to stay out of mall's, buildings and other places where firearms are not allowed.  Guess I'll just stay home.
When I am in Thailand, I've noticed the internet shops are filled with Thai teens engrossed in violent video games.  I keep wondering how long before atrocities such as the recent shooting outrages in the USA start showing up in Thailand.  Some will say they already have begun.  Am hoping the USA won't be blamed for that, too.

Cant remember the world calling on the USA to be its policeman. Step up and be counted when needed yes! Regarding the Iraqi war that did not happen. The UN was asking for time and restraint whilst the Americans fabricated weapons of mass destruction, panic and urgency as a excuse to invade. Stupidly the British and others got sucked in.
Have to agree with you on the video games and also share the worry of how easily guns are used in Thailand.

Supprised at some of the main posters on here with there my guns bigger than your gun attitude. Grow up ffs!

[urleft]

Cant remember the world calling on the USA to be its policeman. Step up and be counted when needed yes! Regarding the Iraqi war that did not happen. The UN was asking for time and restraint whilst the Americans fabricated weapons of mass destruction, panic and urgency as a excuse to invade. Stupidly the British and others got sucked in.
Have to agree with you on the video games and also share the worry of how easily guns are used in Thailand.

Supprised at some of the main posters on here with there my guns bigger than your gun attitude. Grow up ffs!

After two World Wars where the US had to get involved because the other counties (especially in Europe) were going Wacko, the leadership decided to be proactive rather that reactive.   So basically the US became the world's policemen to stop the Wacko Europeans from trying to take over the world, and it expanded from there.

[Alan]

Really Urleft. is that how it all happend in your head eh!!!! You seem to group people without much knowledge of geography or world affairs. Do you honestly believe you and people like you do your country any justice with your outspoken opinions?
What happens if the law is changed and guns are banned. Will you comply?
Are you living in the USA or Thailand now Urleft?

[sao baht]

Are you living in the USA or Thailand now Urleft?

I think he's living in Cloud Cuckoo Land   

[urleft]

Really Urleft. is that how it all happend in your head eh!!!! You seem to group people without much knowledge of geography or world affairs. Do you honestly believe you and people like you do your country any justice with your outspoken opinions?
What happens if the law is changed and guns are banned. Will you comply?
Are you living in the USA or Thailand now Urleft?

Yes, I am living in the US and Thailand now, I have residences in both and am able to travel between them at will.  The multi-entry Visa is great.   

As far as changing the laws, it is not that easy.  They have to change the constitution, which is very difficult. Until the constitution is changed, the 2nd Admendment rules. 

As far as world affairs, I have lived in the US, Europe, Central American, the Middle East, and now Aisa.  I have experienced it first hand.  And what I really love about Thailand is the freedom to do things, you open a business and then do the paperwork, what a great way to do things.  Unfortunately the US has followed Europe's lead and stifles new business. 

I want people to be free despite the wackos out there.   It seems you think I am one of these wackos for wanting people to be free.    Luckily, what you think has no impact on my actions. 

[urleft]

Hey Nookie.

What do you think of my opinion on smoking in private businesses?   You seem always ready to comment other things, what about something affects you directly? 

[BillH52]

Cant remember the world calling on the USA to be its policeman. Step up and be counted when needed yes! Regarding the Iraqi war that did not happen. The UN was asking for time and restraint whilst the Americans fabricated weapons of mass destruction, panic and urgency as a excuse to invade. Stupidly the British and others got sucked in.

Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a fact at the time; some of these weapons were used on the Kurds, if memory serves.  What happened to the stock piles remains to be seen.  Syria, perhaps?  Buried someplace, just as Britain buried planes in Burma?
 
When there is a natural disaster in another part of the world, the USA is always among the first to provide help, supplies and money.  Same is true when 'someone should do something' to save lives in a problem area somewhere.  Most Americans would agree, it's about time to let some other country handle the issues.
Iraq; I, for one American, was very much against going into Iraq. vWhether it is that country or some other, it takes someone like a Saddam Hussein to control it; I understand many countries think 'someone should do something' when masses of people are being wiped out or some dictator somewhere is doing something unpopular (according to our way of thinking), but am sick & tired of the USA being called on to police the situation, (whether that issue is fact or just what we have been led to believe). 
To get back to the shooting innocent people in the USA, more supervision of mentally handicapped would be useful & helpful. 
You may have read elsewhere, a NY newspaper printed a list of names and address's of gun permit holders.  Many people strongly object; some think it advertises to burglars which houses to hit or to stay away from.  To me, it my provide a flag that an excon or a nutcase neighbor needs attention before they have a chance of 'going off'.  And, reducing the number of rounds in a magazine from 30 to only 15 is ridiculous.

[urleft]

Ban Assault Vehicles.

[Alan]

Funny how you avoid the questions you don't like and this leads me to believe you would rather keep your guns than comply with a change in the law should it happen.
Think you will find Thailand has many rules and farrangs owning guns is a big no no.  As for everybody and the rest of the world being wacko I think you need to take a long close look at yourself. As far as your actions are concerened I think they concerne many!

[Speros]

two world wars....thanks USA...for turning up late, since the last world war some 60 odd years ago...how has it been being the moral watch dog for the world...whats the victory count...lets not really worry about central american conflicts against drug lords etc...Korea...draw....Vietnam...loss....Somalia...lets not mention..no oil reserves.....Iraq (1)..flop not finished.... but protected the almighty oil...Iraq (2) weapons of mass distraction..victory for Halliburton, for the people 0... Afghanistan...well what can we say...history may be a good place to start...Alexander the great couldn't hold it...the British couldn't take it at their height of power....the Russians couldn't control it and withdrew....what do we really think the outcome there will be? The sheriffs badge is looking rusty!!!

[nookiebear]

Are you living in the USA or Thailand now Urleft?

I think he's living in Cloud Cuckoo Land   

1000%

[nookiebear]

Hey Nookie.

What do you think of my opinion on smoking in private businesses?   You seem always ready to comment other things, what about something affects you directly? 

Why change the subject??
However ,I support the banning of smoking here in the restaurant,the area near the cooking has no smoking signs which were placed there by local Government Health Officials.

[BillH52]

two world wars....thanks USA...for turning up late, since the last world war some 60 odd years ago...how has it been being the moral watch dog for the world...whats the victory count...lets not really worry about central american conflicts against drug lords etc...Korea...draw....Vietnam...loss....Somalia...lets not mention..no oil reserves.....Iraq (1)..flop not finished.... but protected the almighty oil...Iraq (2) weapons of mass distraction..victory for Halliburton, for the people 0... Afghanistan...well what can we say...history may be a good place to start...Alexander the great couldn't hold it...the British couldn't take it at their height of power....the Russians couldn't control it and withdrew....what do we really think the outcome there will be? The sheriffs badge is looking rusty!!!

It is looking a bit rusty.  All the more reason for some other country to step up for awhile!

[urleft]

Funny how you avoid the questions you don't like and this leads me to believe you would rather keep your guns than comply with a change in the law should it happen.
Think you will find Thailand has many rules and farrangs owning guns is a big no no.  As for everybody and the rest of the world being wacko I think you need to take a long close look at yourself. As far as your actions are concerened I think they concerne many!

Thought I mentioned I am a law abiding citizen.  I have passed a complete FBI background investigation, never been arrested, and the US has me listed as an official "Trusted Traveler".   

And while I have not stated on this thread, my main personal views are that as long as you are not hurting anyone, inflicting yourself on me, or causing my taxes to diverted to your lazy ass, I really don't care what you do.  And hope you enjoy doing it. 

I can see the cause for concern as I am self-sufficient and want to keep my rights, scary.

[rufusredtail]

Thank you mytle_71 nice to know that Australia has rules, But i would like to know what the story is in America, WHAT RULES DO YOU HAVE FOR OWNING A GUN , do you have to store them in a safe , do you have to be registered or can anyone just go out and buy a gun .
Hello urleft you seem to be the one with knowledge about firearms , can you answer this above question , you partly answered saying about the fbi etc , are the laws for guns different in each state, which state has the most guns out of interest, or any other american can provide an answer  pleaseeeeeeeeee/quote]