Yet Another Gun Outrage in USA

[Murtle_71]

I would also interested to know , in australia if you own a gun and not many do as i have said , those who have registered gun or guns have to have a safe to put them into , is that the law there , and do you have to have all the guns you own registered with anyone.

As an gun owner in NSW Australia. Different rules for different states.

Guns owned 5 off

22 CZ classic rifle
Walther SP22 handgun
223 remington 700 rifle
H&R tamer 410 shotgun
357 686 smith & wesson

as for safe has to 6mm thick because i own pistols
my safe weight 300kg, holds 48 rifles, has multi point locking and is bolted to the floor and wall.

Guns registered with firearms registry a branch of the NSW police force

I also have a license to use or touch a firearm. i must be licensed for the type of gun and reason of use  and can only use it for said purpose.

in my case hunting, target

Pistols in NSW can only be used on a target....

[rufusredtail]

Thank you mytle_71 nice to know that Australia has rules, But i would like to know what the story is in America, WHAT RULES DO YOU HAVE FOR OWNING A GUN , do you have to store them in a safe , do you have to be registered or can anyone just go out and buy a gun .

[Speros]

It is truly sad about those poor kids, and all the other such incidents in the USA, but i must say the laws of a sovereign state are a matter for its own government and  its citizens. during this debate i have seen many great points brought up...such as... the God given right to own guns...cant really remember that part of the bible, but i'm sure it must be there. i can also understand the offence of the suggestion that a 9mm is enough to protect a home......bringing the retort of why do people drive Lamborghini's? as the case for assault weapons ....to answer that simply is, it has to do with the size of their penis. i guess assault weapons have the same effect for the owner.
i am not against guns, i see no need for an assault rifle in the home, but if the law allows this i have no issue but refer to above comment on sports cars.  By the way....Any Freedom should be responsibility not a right.

[CO-CO]

I'm an American.

I own guns, both for sport and self protection.  I also enjoy shooting as a hobby.

I really don't give a flying fcuk what all the "foreigners" think about our gun laws.

If you're not complaining about "our" gun laws, you're complaining about something else of "ours"!

You will understand that foreigners dont acrually give a flying fcuk about your gun laws. Thay would care even less if all the gun-toting Yanks shot tne fcuk out of each other. What foreiners find incredulous is the wolf-crying over civil liberties in the face of continuing atrocities caused as a result of (what appears to be) lax gun controls.

[sao baht]

I'm an American.

I own guns, both for sport and self protection.  I also enjoy shooting as a hobby.

I really don't give a flying fcuk what all the "foreigners" think about our gun laws.

If you're not complaining about "our" gun laws, you're complaining about something else of "ours"!

You will understand that foreigners dont acrually give a flying fcuk about your gun laws. Thay would care even less if all the gun-toting Yanks shot tne fcuk out of each other. What foreiners find incredulous is the wolf-crying over civil liberties in the face of continuing atrocities caused as a result of (what appears to be) lax gun controls.

The above post is so unlike you Co Co !!!

Have you turned your spell check off 

[Prakhonchai Nick]

The above post is so unlike you Co Co !!!

Have you turned your spell check off 

Have to agree with you sao baht.

Why worry about all this nonsense when you are on your hols?

Maybe he's had a bad day!

[toffo]

Just who are you to say what I don't need?   

It irritates me that people like you put arbritary limits on things you don't agree with. 

Why do people need more that vehicle per driver?  More than 3 bottles of beer per drinker?  More than 1 butcher knife per food preparer?   

And yes it is the same, more people are killed from vehicles and alcohol than guns. 

And why does a someone need a lmborghini?

J


And is being Christain irrelevant?  There is a massive effort to destroy Christians, as another thead says, Have a Merry Christmas, not happy holidays.  Being a Jew should have been irrelevant in the Germany in 30's/40's, are Christains now the Jews replacement?


It starts with taking rights away a step at time out of reasonableness.  Like business owners cannot even decide if they want to let people smoke in their business, the GVT has made it illegal (and I am a non-smoker). 

So you have no right to limit me from my God given rights because you think I have no need.

Just another brainwashed yank that thinks the bigger the gun the bigger his dick will look.... Absolutely no need for military weapons in the home and that's a fact...  Sooner or later that 2 nd amendment will be changed to the outlaw of those weapons....

[toffo]

Can't even go put a fire out in the US and fireman get shot....when will they learn....

If only they had declared it a Gun Free Zone then this never would have happened. 

Or maybe the US should use the Norway model of July 2011, or maybe the UK Combria plan.  Too bad there was not more gun control.

Little dick syndrome must be bad in your home

[urleft]

Just another brainwashed yank that thinks the bigger the gun the bigger his dick will look.... Absolutely no need for military weapons in the home and that's a fact...  Sooner or later that 2 nd amendment will be changed to the outlaw of those weapons....

Written with true ignorance, must have your bain in your little head. 
 
A colt .45 pistol is a military weapon, and it is great for home protection.  A 45 with stop a perp in his tracks while not having the velocity or penetration to go through him and endanger other people.  It is on my want list, but my .40 cal Glock serves nicely and is easier to carry concealed.
 
And the Sandy School incident was not done with a military weapon, just something that looked like one, but without all the capabilities (e.g., fully automatic).   
 
I can think of a case where a military weapon is needed in the home, where the house in on a US Mexico border town and the preps are coming with AK-47's (provided by Obama).  Then I damn sure would want several military weapons for protection. 
 
So your FACT is not a Fact, just a another worthless opinion.
 
 

[Alan]

I have no love for guns and find peoples obsession with them quite disturbing. Guns take out much of the skill and fear in killing. They are designed to do maximum damage with minimum effort. One crazy person with very few guns can cause a massive amount of death and destuction.
America recently spent alot of money, effort and lives invading a country on the grounds of weapons of mass destruction. What determins a weapon of mass destruction?
26 killed in a matter of minutes by one person whom had easy access to weapons most US citizens consider the norm! Sounds like a weapon of mass destruction to me!
It seems a bit odd that the USA are happy to drag the rest of the world into waring conflicts outside its own borders but very reluctant to act on its own failings.
Regarding the responcible owner keeping unloaded guns in a locked safe for protection against intruders. In the event of an agressive intruder entering your house, do you, 1. Call the police before you go to your locked gun cabinate? 2. Get shot whilst attempting to get to your cabinet? 3. Unlock the cabinet then get shot whilst loading your gun hence giving criminal access to all your guns? 4. Or keep a gun in an irresponcible manner, in every room loaded ready to for action to be used or played with by any person that happens upon them?
Fact is in most cases the unloaded gun in the locked cabinet in some part of the house will not be accessable and ready for use when needed.

Arguements for God given rights! Who's god? Thats what most of the conflicts in the world are about ffs!
Arguements about rights passed on from the war of independance. A war fought by the colonists for a "United" States of America. The USA is looking pretty ununited at the moment with those that want a different society without guns in every house. These people are Americans too but the gun squad camp seem to show little tolerance for there fellow countrymans wishes. Perhaps its time to move forward instead of holding onto rights laid down 200 odd years ago when life in America was very different to today! 

At the end of the day it is America's problem but it does have a responcibility to take action to protect its citizens and foreign visitors which it clearly cannot do with its present day lifestyle policies.

[urleft]

I never said I don't care about the murder rate, my issues are with infringements on my rights.  For example, how do you feel about the ban on smoking in your business?  Should you as the business owner have the say on whether customers can smoke in your establishment?  I personally believe that decision should be yours, not forced on you by the GVT.  It took 40 years of slow incremental steps to get to that ban, but the activists achieved it.

BUTTTTTTTT Why should i be sitting in mr nookiebears cafe , having a meal and breathing your smoke , smoking is banned in all restaurants outside shopping centres which are under cover,public transport etc etc,in australia, i dont mind the person smoking that is your right.

Obviously you missed the point where I am a non-smoker.  I personally avoid places that are full of smoke. 

What I think is that it should be Nookie's right to define whether is business will be smokefree, just have non-smoking areas, or no restrictions at all.  Should be up to him on how to balance it to maximize his customers. 

I am also glad that public areas are smokefree so I don't have to beathe that crap, but I was talking about private business.

[CO-CO]

The above post is so unlike you Co Co !!!

Have you turned your spell check off 

Have to agree with you sao baht.

Why worry about all this nonsense when you are on your hols?

Maybe he's had a bad day!

Had (another) great day :-). Fat fingets, mobile keys and Angkor geer are not a good recipe for accurate typing 

[toffo]

Just another brainwashed yank that thinks the bigger the gun the bigger his dick will look.... Absolutely no need for military weapons in the home and that's a fact...  Sooner or later that 2 nd amendment will be changed to the outlaw of those weapons....

Written with true ignorance, must have your bain in your little head. 
 
A colt .45 pistol is a military weapon, and it is great for home protection.  A 45 with stop a perp in his tracks while not having the velocity or penetration to go through him and endanger other people.  It is on my want list, but my .40 cal Glock serves nicely and is easier to carry concealed.
 
And the Sandy School incident was not done with a military weapon, just something that looked like one, but without all the capabilities (e.g., fully automatic).   
 
I can think of a case where a military weapon is needed in the home, where the house in on a US Mexico border town and the preps are coming with AK-47's (provided by Obama).  Then I damn sure would want several military weapons for protection. 
 
So your FACT is not a Fact, just a another worthless opinion.

keep rubbing your guns up and down while repeating Im a big boy now, Im a big boy now .. Repeat til satisfied.. make sure you do this exercise 10 times aday

[BillH52]

I have no love for guns and find peoples obsession with them quite disturbing. Guns take out much of the skill and fear in killing. They are designed to do maximum damage with minimum effort. One crazy person with very few guns can cause a massive amount of death and destuction.
America recently spent alot of money, effort and lives invading a country on the grounds of weapons of mass destruction. What determins a weapon of mass destruction?
26 killed in a matter of minutes by one person whom had easy access to weapons most US citizens consider the norm! Sounds like a weapon of mass destruction to me!
It seems a bit odd that the USA are happy to drag the rest of the world into waring conflicts outside its own borders but very reluctant to act on its own failings.
Regarding the responcible owner keeping unloaded guns in a locked safe for protection against intruders. In the event of an agressive intruder entering your house, do you, 1. Call the police before you go to your locked gun cabinate? 2. Get shot whilst attempting to get to your cabinet? 3. Unlock the cabinet then get shot whilst loading your gun hence giving criminal access to all your guns? 4. Or keep a gun in an irresponcible manner, in every room loaded ready to for action to be used or played with by any person that happens upon them?
Fact is in most cases the unloaded gun in the locked cabinet in some part of the house will not be accessable and ready for use when needed.

Arguements for God given rights! Who's god? Thats what most of the conflicts in the world are about ffs!
Arguements about rights passed on from the war of independance. A war fought by the colonists for a "United" States of America. The USA is looking pretty ununited at the moment with those that want a different society without guns in every house. These people are Americans too but the gun squad camp seem to show little tolerance for there fellow countrymans wishes. Perhaps its time to move forward instead of holding onto rights laid down 200 odd years ago when life in America was very different to today! 

At the end of the day it is America's problem but it does have a responcibility to take action to protect its citizens and foreign visitors which it clearly cannot do with its present day lifestyle policies.

You have covered quite a few topics here; however, I certainly agree with your first paragraph; I have not love for guns, either. 
The American 'Bill of Rights' was not an American original, nor did they originate with the American Revolution.  They were copied from England; with the 2nd amendment originating from the Glorious Revolution of 1688, where the King of England wanted to prohibit Protestants from being armed.  Much easier to control, that way.

Many Americans would love to go back to the days of Thomas Jefferson; keeping our concerns, troops and money on our side of the oceans.  However, between world events, the UN and the crazies of the world attempting to annihilate various groups they don't agree with, the USA has been called on, again and again, to serve as the worlds policemen; a chore which is impossible and unappreciated.

Recent gun outrage in the USA forces the focus on firearms; in the opinion of many, an equal or larger focus should be turned toward the government guided decline of mental healthcare and the closing of facilities over the past 20 plus years.  I, myself, have to ask how is it possible these nutcase shooters had access to firearms; how are ex-con's able to acquire an arsenal?   If you or I are trying to work with a mentally challenged person, we would likely expose the person to some other activity;  not put a gun in their hand.  Violent video games are certainly not a plus, either.   
The USA is attempting to deal with their problems.  At this point, outlawing firearms in the USA would only take away the guns of law abiding citizens.  As much as I dislike firearms, I am forced to stay out of mall's, buildings and other places where firearms are not allowed.  Guess I'll just stay home.
When I am in Thailand, I've noticed the internet shops are filled with Thai teens engrossed in violent video games.  I keep wondering how long before atrocities such as the recent shooting outrages in the USA start showing up in Thailand.  Some will say they already have begun.  Am hoping the USA won't be blamed for that, too.

[urleft]

[keep rubbing your guns up and down while repeating Im a big boy now, Im a big boy now .. Repeat til satisfied.. make sure you do this exercise 10 times aday

When I fired my 8 incher it was a great bang.