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Buriram Province - General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: nookiebear on October 24, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
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I've just seen a poll being conducted by THE BANGKOK POST which shows Romney well in the lead......I'm well aware how thick some Americans are but surely not all of them!!
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At least it won't be another BUSH!
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About as interesting as taking a shit this topic is...
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About as interesting as taking a shit this topic is...
Then don't post on it, Toffo!
The Republican right-wing is still strong.... but a victory for Romney would hold back human rights for blacks, hispanics, women and gays. It might make Mormonism fashionable, God help us.
The answer to Nookie's question.... I don't know, but i sincerely hope Obama.
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French PM: I want Obama to win
That right there is a good reason to vote for Romney
http://www.thelocal.fr/page/view/french-pm-i-want-obama-to-win
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Whoever wins it will be another warmongering liar.
Same as the one in power now,and his predecessor.
God help the world.
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I've just seen a poll being conducted by THE BANGKOK POST which shows Romney well in the lead......I'm well aware how thick some Americans are but surely not all of them!!
This why Thailand is not allowed to vote in US elections. swordfight
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I've just seen a poll being conducted by THE BANGKOK POST which shows Romney well in the lead......I'm well aware how thick some Americans are but surely not all of them!!
Not all but most.
It's hereditary.
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I've just seen a poll being conducted by THE BANGKOK POST which shows Romney well in the lead......I'm well aware how thick some Americans are but surely not all of them!!
You have a few before you posted this? wackobar
Does not seem very intelligent to me to alienate a possible customer base. Business must be really good such that you don't want more customers. moneysmile
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think our dismal economy is all the fault of George W. Bush, who left office 45 months ago, and whose average unemployment rate was 6.3% – almost 2 points lower than under his whiz-kid successor.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think lack of adequate regulation is responsible for the home-mortgage meltdown of 2008, rather than a Democratic Congress that (in the name of fairness) made banks to give sub-prime mortgages to unqualified lenders.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the Muslim Brotherhood is a fraternal order. Their initiation rite is killer.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you believe Joe Biden’s claim that the intelligence community initially told the administration that our Benghazi consulate was attacked by a spontaneous mob – a spontaneous mob of al-Qaeda fighters armed with AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and gun trucks.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the president has done a consummate job of keeping Iran from getting nuclear weapons – by enacting more sanctions (which have never worked before), working with our “allies” China and Russia and refusing to draw a red line which would elicit military action against Tehran-- while the mullahs spent the last four years developing fissile material.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Barack Hussein has “got Israel’s back.” By having Israel’s back, the president means sending hundreds of millions of dollars to Palestinians committed to Israel’s annihilation, seeking to dictate Israel’s future borders (so as to make the Jewish state impossible to defend), helping the Muslim Brotherhood come to power in Egypt, and telling the former president of France how much he hates Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if, like your candidate, you think the Israeli “occupation” of Israel is the principal cause of turmoil in the Middle East, and that, before Israel’s rebirth in 1948, from time immemorial the region looked like Woodstock.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Islam really is the religion of peace – and that al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, Ahmadinejad, the scholars of Cairo’s Al-Azhar University and the imam of Mecca’s Grand Mosque don’t understand their own religion.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the Ft. Hood massacre (where 13 of our soldiers were murdered in cold blood by a Koran-spouting jihadist) was “workplace related violence.”
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think it doesn’t matter that this president skips more than half of his daily intelligence briefings. After all, he reads the reports at night – or on the golf course.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the “undocumented workers” streaming across our southern border (thanks to the president’s non-deportation order) are all hard-working family folk, eager to learn English and assimilate – with nary a hardcore criminal, gang member, grifter or terrorist among them.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Joe Biden is clever and witty, not to mention polite and respectful.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Michelle is hot and Hillary belongs on the cover of the next Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the oil companies, the Arab Spring or hurricanes in the Gulf states are responsible for prices at the pump more than doubling since January 19, 2009, rather than this administration’s insane environmental policies and war on energy development.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you believe that green energy is our salvation – with a wee bit of help from the unicorns, the fairies and the little people.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think drastically limiting off-shore drilling, closing coal-fired energy plants, nixing U.S. participation in the Keystone Pipeline and extreme environmental regulations will make us less dependent on foreign oil.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the GM bailout is a shining success. At a cost of $50 billion to taxpayers, the president saved $56-an hour union jobs, while screwing bondholders and giving Washington 26.5% share of the auto giant.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think “gay marriage” strengthens the family.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you don’t care that the voters of 32 states have overwhelmingly rejected this absurdity by passing defense of marriage amendments.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Obama and Biden care about the middle class – instead of looking at them the way Dracula views a blood bank.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think raising tax rates on businesses, in the weakest economic recovery in history, won’t devastate job creation.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if, like your candidate, you think the question of when life begins is “above your pay-grade” – that you can’t tell if an unborn child with a heartbeat and brainwaves and fingers and toes is human.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think opposition to the incumbent is motivated primarily by racism.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think that Barack Obama – who was raised by his white grandparents, spent his childhood in Indonesia and Hawaii and went on to Columbia and Harvard – was immersed in the black experience.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Republicans want to put black people “back in chains.” That includes Allen West, Clarence Thomas, Star Parker and Thomas Sowell.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the man who sat in a pew in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Church of God Damn America for 19 years never heard anything in the least controversial – that anti-American, anti-white and anti-Israel sermons were reserved for those occasions when the future president was absent.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Mitt Romney is a liar – but Obama has told the God’s-honest truth about responsibility for the deaths of our ambassador and three other Americans in Libya, getting the unemployment rate under 7% if we passed his $832-billion stimulus bill, cutting the deficit in half in his first term, his Justice Department having no knowledge of Fast and Furious (the ATF’s gunrunning-to-Mexican-drug-lords operation) prior to February 2011 and that he’d never dream of raising taxes on the middle class. The Supreme Court says the “penalties” under Obamacare are a tax – on guess who?
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the president is upholding the Constitution – by interim appointments while Congress is still in session, governing by executive order, refusing to defend the Defense of Marriage Act in court, sending troops to Libya without Congressional approval and not prosecuting the New Black Panther Party for a blatant case of voter intimidation in 2008.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think your candidate’s 2008 resume – law professor, community organizer, Chicago politician, less than two years in the U.S. Senate – trumps Romney’s as a job-creator (Sports Authority, Staples, Domino’s Pizza, etc.)
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Romney would get a kick out of firing Bob Cratchit on Christmas Eve, while stealing Tiny Tim’s crutches and muttering “Bah humbug!”
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think opposition to requiring Catholic institutions to provide birth control through their health insurance plans (in violation of Catholic teaching), constitutes a Republican War on Women.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius are Catholics.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you believe that Ann Romney – who raised five sons while running a household, doing charitable work and battling MS – “never worked a day in her life,” unlike Michelle Antoinette who earned a six-figure salary for serving as “vice president of community relations” for the University of Chicago Medical Center and vacations at five-star resorts on the Spanish Riviera.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you’re blithely unconcerned about your candidate’s past associations with (communist) Frank Marshall Davis, (revolutionary communist) Bill Ayers and (Islamist) Rashid Khalidi.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think complaints about the president increasing the National Debt by $5.4 trillion (almost 50%) in less than four years is a Republican campaign gimmick to divert attention from Obama’s economic achievements – like increasing the food stamp rolls to 47 million (50%) since he took office and raising federal spending from 20.2% to 23% of GDP.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think we can provide health insurance to 10 million currently uninsured – without a plan to add a single new doctor – it won’t cost taxpayers a cent and there won’t be rationing of services.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you’re thrilled at the prospect of turning the best health care system in the world over to the same people who bankrupted Social Security and Medicare.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you don’t care that under this administration we’ll soon have a navy that can float in a bathtub and an army that can maneuver in a broom closet.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think your candidate will be carried to victory by the Big Bird vote – like fans of Public Broadcasting would ever vote Republican, without a gun to their heads.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you’re skeptical about putting God in your party’s platform because it excludes atheists, agnostics, animists and most of the president’s appointees.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Islam is a civilizing force that’s enlightened in its treatment of women and minorities, but Christianity is repressive, patriarchal and a threat to liberty and democracy.
• You know you're an Obama voter if you think "American exceptionalism" is a ploy devised by Newt Gingrich to stigmatize people who don't think America is exceptional. Just because we have a Constitution that's been a model for emerging nations for over 200 years, we built the greatest economic engine in the world, we created a unique society, and we saved humanity from the horrors of Nazism and communism in the 20th century -- what's so special about that?
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the Occupy Wall Street movement is composed of idealistic, humanitarian reformers but the Tea Parties are a gang of race-baiting, neo-fascist thugs.
You know you’re an Omaba voter if you think pigs have their own air force, the moon is made of green-energy cheese and, while standing in a torrential downpour, you wonder why you’re soaked to the skin.
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Obama at his best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-AKcH3eC8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-AKcH3eC8)
But in fairness, here is Obama near his best (seriously), and watch Romney also, both are very good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6g2YkTAYQ4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6g2YkTAYQ4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsSzkCgcBtU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsSzkCgcBtU)
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Boring borin boring urleft
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Boring borin boring urleft
Toffo do you mean the country or the post.
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Boring borin boring urleft
If you are calling the last 2 vids boring, you did not watch them. They are both very good.
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If you like watching a puppet show then knock yourself out. brick1
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If you like watching a puppet show then knock yourself out. brick1
Did you at least try to watch the either of the last 2? This has Obama and Romney at that Al Smith Dinner for Charity, they are both well spoken, funny, and worth watching. These are mildly political, but more funny because of it.
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If you like watching a puppet show then knock yourself out. brick1
Warmongering puppet Alan.
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If you like watching a puppet show then knock yourself out. brick1
Warmongering puppet Alan.
They are puttets or the war makers Tony.
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An uninformed view of the American elections
As a long term subscriber to Time magazine I sometimes think that I should suspend my subscription for the 18 months running up to the next presidential farce, sorry election.
What makes them think that the rest of the World is remotely interested in their circus act when really there are more important issues going on in the world and anyway their time would be better spent getting the country out of the sh*t it is currently in.
In the latest edition some guy called Ryan we are told is happiest when he is wonking out? yes wonking! WTF. He is also pictured wearing a baseball cap back to front, now I was told that the only time someone out of their teens should wear a baseball cap much less an arse about face one is whilst painting the ceiling, although in Thailand I have come to accept that a cap is sometimes essential to avoid getting a fried brain.
What age group is he aiming for pre pubescent voters?
Now in my opening I say uninformed because this is due to my inertia over politicians, elections and political parties in general irrespective of party, nationality or religious persuasion in my opinion the vast majority of them are self important tosspots polishing their own egos.
Why is my uninformed opinion important, because the vast majority of people on the planet fall into this category. Instead of spending billions campaigning mostly to people who have already made up their minds shouldn't they concentrate on running the country, putting the country first and not playing party politics and using the bloated campaign funds to reduce the horrendous deficit. To uninformed you might as well add naive whilst we are about it.
Also as a Brit it amazes me as to why anybody would want to get the Republicans back into power, in recent history to the best of my knowledge (I’m sure someone will correct me if I am wrong) the only time the national deficit has reduced was whilst under a Democratic era, Carter and Clinton. Who IMHO had a better grasp of the world outside it’s borders other than warzones!
I really think that the US era is on the wane and it is about time that they realised that not all the world admires their over indulgent litigious lifestyle, built mainly on an industry that they still lead the world in arms! recently these have had a habit of ending up in the hands of adversaries, which is really not very bright.
So there we have it all politicians are ass*oles and I am ignorant, think I prefer being ignorant to an ass*ole!
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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For all you smart Europeans, what is difference between the US Debt and US Deficit?
Under which president in the last 40 years has the US Debt been reduced?
Which branch of the US GVT provides the budget? When was the last Budget approved by both houses of Congress?
Once these questions are truthfully answered, then follow on questions/observations can be made.
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The US debt and deficit has been controlled and manipulted by the federal fund for the last 100 yrs or more.
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I believe all us europeans and other world citizens would be more than happy not to have any interest in what transpires in America leadership. Unfortunately America is hell bent on controlling global matters and creating financial havoc without and concern or interest other than its own.
Its about time the American people opened their eyes and used their vote wisely and start taking respocibility.
Iran is next on America's list, why? Has it threatened or invaded other countries? Does it have less rights than America to neuclear power or even neuclear defences? It has little oil reserves but a war with Iran would create alot of wealth for those that want it.
America is the most spoilt and manipulated country on this planet so it comes as no surprise to the educated that it is the most powerful and dominant in world affairs.
Land of the free........... You think?
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Who's threatening who?
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Who's threatening who?
I will admit that the US should mostly STFU about telling other countries how to live and stay out of their business.
BTW, under Iran add
US Embassy Attack 1978-1981.
And you can add Iraq under Iran, with the
Iran Iraq war 1980-1988.
You can also add Iraq and Afghanistan 2003 to present as Iran is providing weapons and insurgents into these countries. (along with other un-named countries)
Are you a journalist? You are good at leaving out facts and adding others to tilt opinion your way.
On the other side of the coin, there should be a list all the countries that receive/received US Foreign Aid. It would probably be easier to list the countries that have not received money from the US.
Don't like the US butting in your country's affairs, don't take our money.
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No i must admit i don't like the US and i take no money from it.
Sorry i left out a few facts so here are some more.
You must be so proud to be an American.
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Where is safest place for an Iraqi boy?
Behind a US Soldier.
And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
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And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
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No i must admit i don't like the US and i take no money from it.
Sorry i left out a few facts so here are some more.
You must be so proud to be an American.
I am a proud American, and I have been to Iraq 3 times and Afghanistan once (zero kills).
And where would you be if America had not invaded Italy in September 1943? Are you hateful to the US for doing that?
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And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
Looks fair to me. Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.
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And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
Looks fair to me. Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.
That's exactly the attitude i would expect from a Yank.
This conversation is going nowhere so there is not point when you make remarks like that.
One day i hope you and people like you wake up and realize what your country is doing to innocent people around the world all in the name of greed.
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And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
Looks fair to me. Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.
That's exactly the attitude i would expect from a Yank.
This conversation is going nowhere so there is not point when you make remarks like that.
One day i hope you and people like you wake up and realize what your country is doing to innocent people around the world all in the name of greed.
Yup, obviously going nowhere. How many innocent people were killed during WWII?
However, I do agree that it is too bad that terrorists us innocent people as shields. Be much easier if we could get the terrorists to line up for battle so we could go at it.
When you have GVT sponsored terrorism at some point the US will stop being nice guys and take out that GVT, because we can. But usually in the aftermath of a US invasion, that country usually comes away very good, just look at Italy, Germany, Japan, etc. If the US was really greedy you would all be US provinces (expect some fireworks from that allegation). However, the truth is:
'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'
And after 911, I am all for fighting elsewhere and keeping the terrorists occupied away from the US. But people like you blame the US, not the actual scumbags using women and children as shields, and the terrorists win because of people like you.
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And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
Looks fair to me. Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.
That's exactly the attitude i would expect from a Yank.
This conversation is going nowhere so there is not point when you make remarks like that.
One day i hope you and people like you wake up and realize what your country is doing to innocent people around the world all in the name of greed.
Yup, obviously going nowhere. How many innocent people were killed during WWII?
However, I do agree that it is too bad that terrorists us innocent people as shields. Be much easier if we could get the terrorists to line up for battle so we could go at it.
When you have GVT sponsored terrorism at some point the US will stop being nice guys and take out that GVT, because we can. But usually in the aftermath of a US invasion, that country usually comes away very good, just look at Italy, Germany, Japan, etc. If the US was really greedy you would all be US provinces (expect some fireworks from that allegation). However, the truth is:
'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'
And after 911, I am all for fighting elsewhere and keeping the terrorists occupied away from the US. But people like you blame the US, not the actual scumbags using women and children as shields, and the terrorists win because of people like you.
Only replying to this because of your continue use of the word Terrorist.
The real Terrorists in this world are not in the middle Eastern Muslim countries,but are standing tall in the Whitehouse Washington D.C United States of America.
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I think most older English people have a deep feeling of gratitude to the US for saving our bacon at the end of WWII. I certainly have.
This does not, however, excuse the tendency of American Presidents to see the US as the world's policemen They are not terribly successful either.
Korea, ended in stalemate, and technically the war is not yet over.
Vietnam, driven out by the VCs.
Iraq, a muddle.
Afghanistan, another muddle.
No wonder they're trying to keep out of the current Middle East situation, though their past actions have led people to expect them to intervene. Maybe they will, if Iran gets closer to producing a nuclear weapon... or maybe they'll push Israel to do it for them.
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I think most older English people have a deep feeling of gratitude to the US for saving our bacon at the end of WWII. I certainly have.
This does not, however, excuse the tendency of American Presidents to see the US as the world's policemen They are not terribly successful either.
Korea, ended in stalemate, and technically the war is not yet over.
Vietnam, driven out by the VCs.
Iraq, a muddle.
Afghanistan, another muddle.
No wonder they're trying to keep out of the current Middle East situation, though their past actions have led people to expect them to intervene. Maybe they will, if Iran gets closer to producing a nuclear weapon... or maybe they'll push Israel to do it for them.
I certainly agree, if you aren't going to fight the war to win, don't fight it.
Hopefully the US will start backing off and just let the people fight among themselves. And get out of the UN as it is one of the most corrupt oganizations in the world. The US needs to define its national interests and base foreign policy on those interests.
What is really bad about Iran is that it is the US's fault there's a problem, Jimmy Carter made a mess of it, and Obama is doing the same with Lybia and Egypt. Watch those 2 countries be the next Iran.
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I certainly agree, if you aren't going to fight the war to win, don't fight it.
Hopefully the US will start backing off and just let the people fight among themselves. And get out of the UN as it is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. The US needs to define its national interests and base foreign policy on those interests.
What is really bad about Iran is that it is the US's fault there's a problem, Jimmy Carter made a mess of it, and Obama is doing the same with Libya and Egypt. Watch those 2 countries be the next Iran.
I am with you all the way, my American brother in arms, but is is a waist of of wind to argue with fools that could not see the sunrise even without there cool Italian sunglasses. How easily they forget or refuse to acknowledge the truth. A wiser man than me once said that if we forget history then we are bound to repeat it until we get it right. I worry how much stamina the west has left reteaching the same lesson. duh
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/texas-threatens-prosecution-against-international-poll-watchers/
Texas says bring it on to those European know it all's.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
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Just back from a re stocking trip in Sin City...........Well certainly 'stirred up the applecart ' there,,,,,,,,keep it going slapfight swordfight
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I've just seen a poll being conducted by THE BANGKOK POST which shows Romney well in the lead......I'm well aware how thick some Americans are but surely not all of them!!
You have a few before you posted this? wackobar
Does not seem very intelligent to me to alienate a possible customer base. Business must be really good such that you don't want more customers. moneysmile
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think our dismal economy is all the fault of George W. Bush, who left office 45 months ago, and whose average unemployment rate was 6.3% – almost 2 points lower than under his whiz-kid successor.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think lack of adequate regulation is responsible for the home-mortgage meltdown of 2008, rather than a Democratic Congress that (in the name of fairness) made banks to give sub-prime mortgages to unqualified lenders.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the Muslim Brotherhood is a fraternal order. Their initiation rite is killer.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you believe Joe Biden’s claim that the intelligence community initially told the administration that our Benghazi consulate was attacked by a spontaneous mob – a spontaneous mob of al-Qaeda fighters armed with AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and gun trucks.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the president has done a consummate job of keeping Iran from getting nuclear weapons – by enacting more sanctions (which have never worked before), working with our “allies” China and Russia and refusing to draw a red line which would elicit military action against Tehran-- while the mullahs spent the last four years developing fissile material.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Barack Hussein has “got Israel’s back.” By having Israel’s back, the president means sending hundreds of millions of dollars to Palestinians committed to Israel’s annihilation, seeking to dictate Israel’s future borders (so as to make the Jewish state impossible to defend), helping the Muslim Brotherhood come to power in Egypt, and telling the former president of France how much he hates Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if, like your candidate, you think the Israeli “occupation” of Israel is the principal cause of turmoil in the Middle East, and that, before Israel’s rebirth in 1948, from time immemorial the region looked like Woodstock.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Islam really is the religion of peace – and that al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, Ahmadinejad, the scholars of Cairo’s Al-Azhar University and the imam of Mecca’s Grand Mosque don’t understand their own religion.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the Ft. Hood massacre (where 13 of our soldiers were murdered in cold blood by a Koran-spouting jihadist) was “workplace related violence.”
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think it doesn’t matter that this president skips more than half of his daily intelligence briefings. After all, he reads the reports at night – or on the golf course.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the “undocumented workers” streaming across our southern border (thanks to the president’s non-deportation order) are al
I've just seen a poll being conducted by THE BANGKOK POST which shows Romney well in the lead......I'm well aware how thick some Americans are but surely not all of them!!
You have a few before you posted this? wackobar
Does not seem very intelligent to me to alienate a possible customer base. Business must be really good such that you don't want more customers. moneysmile
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think our dismal economy is all the fault of George W. Bush, who left office 45 months ago, and whose average unemployment rate was 6.3% – almost 2 points lower than under his whiz-kid successor.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think lack of adequate regulation is responsible for the home-mortgage meltdown of 2008, rather than a Democratic Congress that (in the name of fairness) made banks to give sub-prime mortgages to unqualified lenders.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the Muslim Brotherhood is a fraternal order. Their initiation rite is killer.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you believe Joe Biden’s claim that the intelligence community initially told the administration that our Benghazi consulate was attacked by a spontaneous mob – a spontaneous mob of al-Qaeda fighters armed with AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and gun trucks.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the president has done a consummate job of keeping Iran from getting nuclear weapons – by enacting more sanctions (which have never worked before), working with our “allies” China and Russia and refusing to draw a red line which would elicit military action against Tehran-- while the mullahs spent the last four years developing fissile material.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Barack Hussein has “got Israel’s back.” By having Israel’s back, the president means sending hundreds of millions of dollars to Palestinians committed to Israel’s annihilation, seeking to dictate Israel’s future borders (so as to make the Jewish state impossible to defend), helping the Muslim Brotherhood come to power in Egypt, and telling the former president of France how much he hates Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if, like your candidate, you think the Israeli “occupation” of Israel is the principal cause of turmoil in the Middle East, and that, before Israel’s rebirth in 1948, from time immemorial the region looked like Woodstock.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Islam really is the religion of peace – and that al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, Ahmadinejad, the scholars of Cairo’s Al-Azhar University and the imam of Mecca’s Grand Mosque don’t understand their own religion.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the Ft. Hood massacre (where 13 of our soldiers were murdered in cold blood by a Koran-spouting jihadist) was “workplace related violence.”
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think it doesn’t matter that this president skips more than half of his daily intelligence briefings. After all, he reads the reports at night – or on the golf course.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the “undocumented workers” streaming across our southern border (thanks to the president’s non-deportation order) are all hard-working family folk, eager to learn English and assimilate – with nary a hardcore criminal, gang member, grifter or terrorist among them.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Joe Biden is clever and witty, not to mention polite and respectful.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Michelle is hot and Hillary belongs on the cover of the next Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the oil companies, the Arab Spring or hurricanes in the Gulf states are responsible for prices at the pump more than doubling since January 19, 2009, rather than this administration’s insane environmental policies and war on energy development.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you believe that green energy is our salvation – with a wee bit of help from the unicorns, the fairies and the little people.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think drastically limiting off-shore drilling, closing coal-fired energy plants, nixing U.S. participation in the Keystone Pipeline and extreme environmental regulations will make us less dependent on foreign oil.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the GM bailout is a shining success. At a cost of $50 billion to taxpayers, the president saved $56-an hour union jobs, while screwing bondholders and giving Washington 26.5% share of the auto giant.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think “gay marriage” strengthens the family.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you don’t care that the voters of 32 states have overwhelmingly rejected this absurdity by passing defense of marriage amendments.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Obama and Biden care about the middle class – instead of looking at them the way Dracula views a blood bank.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think raising tax rates on businesses, in the weakest economic recovery in history, won’t devastate job creation.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if, like your candidate, you think the question of when life begins is “above your pay-grade” – that you can’t tell if an unborn child with a heartbeat and brainwaves and fingers and toes is human.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think opposition to the incumbent is motivated primarily by racism.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think that Barack Obama – who was raised by his white grandparents, spent his childhood in Indonesia and Hawaii and went on to Columbia and Harvard – was immersed in the black experience.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Republicans want to put black people “back in chains.” That includes Allen West, Clarence Thomas, Star Parker and Thomas Sowell.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the man who sat in a pew in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Church of God Damn America for 19 years never heard anything in the least controversial – that anti-American, anti-white and anti-Israel sermons were reserved for those occasions when the future president was absent.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Mitt Romney is a liar – but Obama has told the God’s-honest truth about responsibility for the deaths of our ambassador and three other Americans in Libya, getting the unemployment rate under 7% if we passed his $832-billion stimulus bill, cutting the deficit in half in his first term, his Justice Department having no knowledge of Fast and Furious (the ATF’s gunrunning-to-Mexican-drug-lords operation) prior to February 2011 and that he’d never dream of raising taxes on the middle class. The Supreme Court says the “penalties” under Obamacare are a tax – on guess who?
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the president is upholding the Constitution – by interim appointments while Congress is still in session, governing by executive order, refusing to defend the Defense of Marriage Act in court, sending troops to Libya without Congressional approval and not prosecuting the New Black Panther Party for a blatant case of voter intimidation in 2008.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think your candidate’s 2008 resume – law professor, community organizer, Chicago politician, less than two years in the U.S. Senate – trumps Romney’s as a job-creator (Sports Authority, Staples, Domino’s Pizza, etc.)
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Romney would get a kick out of firing Bob Cratchit on Christmas Eve, while stealing Tiny Tim’s crutches and muttering “Bah humbug!”
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think opposition to requiring Catholic institutions to provide birth control through their health insurance plans (in violation of Catholic teaching), constitutes a Republican War on Women.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius are Catholics.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you believe that Ann Romney – who raised five sons while running a household, doing charitable work and battling MS – “never worked a day in her life,” unlike Michelle Antoinette who earned a six-figure salary for serving as “vice president of community relations” for the University of Chicago Medical Center and vacations at five-star resorts on the Spanish Riviera.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you’re blithely unconcerned about your candidate’s past associations with (communist) Frank Marshall Davis, (revolutionary communist) Bill Ayers and (Islamist) Rashid Khalidi.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think complaints about the president increasing the National Debt by $5.4 trillion (almost 50%) in less than four years is a Republican campaign gimmick to divert attention from Obama’s economic achievements – like increasing the food stamp rolls to 47 million (50%) since he took office and raising federal spending from 20.2% to 23% of GDP.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think we can provide health insurance to 10 million currently uninsured – without a plan to add a single new doctor – it won’t cost taxpayers a cent and there won’t be rationing of services.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you’re thrilled at the prospect of turning the best health care system in the world over to the same people who bankrupted Social Security and Medicare.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you don’t care that under this administration we’ll soon have a navy that can float in a bathtub and an army that can maneuver in a broom closet.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think your candidate will be carried to victory by the Big Bird vote – like fans of Public Broadcasting would ever vote Republican, without a gun to their heads.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you’re skeptical about putting God in your party’s platform because it excludes atheists, agnostics, animists and most of the president’s appointees.
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think Islam is a civilizing force that’s enlightened in its treatment of women and minorities, but Christianity is repressive, patriarchal and a threat to liberty and democracy.
• You know you're an Obama voter if you think "American exceptionalism" is a ploy devised by Newt Gingrich to stigmatize people who don't think America is exceptional. Just because we have a Constitution that's been a model for emerging nations for over 200 years, we built the greatest economic engine in the world, we created a unique society, and we saved humanity from the horrors of Nazism and communism in the 20th century -- what's so special about that?
• You know you’re an Obama voter if you think the Occupy Wall Street movement is composed of idealistic, humanitarian reformers but the Tea Parties are a gang of race-baiting, neo-fascist thugs.
You know you’re an Omaba voter if you think pigs have their own air force, the moon is made of green-energy cheese and, while standing in a torrential downpour, you wonder why you’re soaked to the skin.
With respect ,,,,,are YOU trying to tell me that because I have a business I'm not allowed 'free speech'.?
AND after reading that utter load of waffle I would suggest you start to live in the 'real world' or get serious medical help urgently.
Just for the record I have many friends & customers from various American descents including Korean-Americans & German-Americans.......Have a nice Day!!!!!
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
Yes guilty of tax fraud but he is not responsible for mass murder like one President i could mention.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/texas-threatens-prosecution-against-international-poll-watchers/
Texas says bring it on to those European know it all's.
What a surprise America threatening people.
Just another day at the office.
You must be so proud Ron Texas.
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With respect ,,,,,are YOU trying to tell me that because I have a business I'm not allowed 'free speech'.?
AND after reading that utter load of waffle I would suggest you start to live in the 'real world' or get serious medical help urgently.
Just for the record I have many friends & customers from various American descents including Korean-Americans & German-Americans.......Have a nice Day!!!!!
As far as I am concerned you are allowed to say whatever you want, and people are free to choose not to listen. When you call people thick because they don't agree with you or say they need mental help, maybe you should try to look elsewhere than where you are looking for your opinions.
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I believe all us europeans and other world citizens would be more than happy not to have any interest in what transpires in America leadership. Unfortunately America is hell bent on controlling global matters and creating financial havoc without and concern or interest other than its own.
Its about time the American people opened their eyes and used their vote wisely and start taking respocibility.
Iran is next on America's list, why? Has it threatened or invaded other countries? Does it have less rights than America to neuclear power or even neuclear defences? It has little oil reserves but a war with Iran would create alot of wealth for those that want it.
America is the most spoilt and manipulated country on this planet so it comes as no surprise to the educated that it is the most powerful and dominant in world affairs.
Land of the free........... You think?
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Iran has threatened the existence of Israel, in fact they have said that if they get nuclear weapons that they would be used to "wipe Israel from the map". I take them at their word.
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In the end it will be the American people that get to make the decision on who will be President. The debt that the US is accumulating is a global issue. When the financial house of cards comes tumbling down it will not just be the United States that will suffer. I will guarantee that.
I don't think that Obama has a clue about cutting the US deficit or turning around the economy. Romney at least has a chance of doing the right thing. That is why I voted for Him.
For those worried about war mongering I think you are wasting your breath. The U.S will be out of major conflicts for 20-30 years after the recent experiences of Iraq and Afghanistan. The next time there needs to be a military intervention I think the U.S. will set it out and let Europe take the lead.
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In the end it will be the American people that get to make the decision on who will be President. The debt that the US is accumulating is a global issue. When the financial house of cards comes tumbling down it will not just be the United States that will suffer. I will guarantee that.
I don't think that Obama has a clue about cutting the US deficit or turning around the economy. Romney at least has a chance of doing the right thing. That is why I voted for Him.
For those worried about war mongering I think you are wasting your breath. The U.S will be out of major conflicts for 20-30 years after the recent experiences of Iraq and Afghanistan. The next time there needs to be a military intervention I think the U.S. will set it out and let Europe take the lead.
So what about Iran?
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Is this some sort of quiz?
Do we have to guess which former president of the United States this is.
I will start with BUSH.
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US Presidential elections = two bald men fight over a comb.
The USA has been at war or in military conflict for 92% of its existence.
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Looking at the short period of American history what's the first thing that comes to mind.
War after war after war after war.
Such an interesting country.
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Looking at the short period of American history what's the first thing that comes to mind.
War after war after war after war.
Such an interesting country.
That's because we were settled by Europeans and accepted a lot of their culture.
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With respect ,,,,,are YOU trying to tell me that because I have a business I'm not allowed 'free speech'.?
AND after reading that utter load of waffle I would suggest you start to live in the 'real world' or get serious medical help urgently.
Just for the record I have many friends & customers from various American descents including Korean-Americans & German-Americans.......Have a nice Day!!!!!
As far as I am concerned you are allowed to say whatever you want, and people are free to choose not to listen. When you call people thick because they don't agree with you or say they need mental help, maybe you should try to look elsewhere than where you are looking for your opinions.
Good response Urleft...Most members ignore Nookie .Good afternoon all.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
Yes guilty of tax fraud but he is not responsible for mass murder like one President i could mention.
Would that be President Blair ??
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TLooking at the short period of American history what's the first thing that comes to mind.
War after war after war after war.
Such an interesting country.
That's because we were settled by Europeans and accepted a lot of their culture.
Obviously, not the good bits......... :)
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
Yes guilty of tax fraud but he is not responsible for mass murder like one President i could mention.
Would that be President Blair ??
Yes ex president Bush.
Also ex prime minister Blair both should be charged with war crimes.
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So proud of the American troops.
http://youtu.be/KOEqrjtbS0A
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Truely sickening, unfortunately not surprising.
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With respect ,,,,,are YOU trying to tell me that because I have a business I'm not allowed 'free speech'.?
AND after reading that utter load of waffle I would suggest you start to live in the 'real world' or get serious medical help urgently.
Just for the record I have many friends & customers from various American descents including Korean-Americans & German-Americans.......Have a nice Day!!!!!
As far as I am concerned you are allowed to say whatever you want, and people are free to choose not to listen. When you call people thick because they don't agree with you or say they need mental help, maybe you should try to look elsewhere than where you are looking for your opinions.
Good response Urleft...Most members ignore Nookie .Good afternoon all.
Big Ears has crawled out of the woodwork!!!!!! I notice 'The Swan' has been very busy of late,,,,,,any particular reason??
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With respect ,,,,,are YOU trying to tell me that because I have a business I'm not allowed 'free speech'.?
AND after reading that utter load of waffle I would suggest you start to live in the 'real world' or get serious medical help urgently.
Just for the record I have many friends & customers from various American descents including Korean-Americans & German-Americans.......Have a nice Day!!!!!
As far as I am concerned you are allowed to say whatever you want, and people are free to choose not to listen. When you call people thick because they don't agree with you or say they need mental help, maybe you should try to look elsewhere than where you are looking for your opinions.
If you had taken time to read the 1st post carefully ,BEFORE jumping in with both feet,it clearly states, SOME Americans are THICK........I dont think even you can disagree with that.Have a nice day!!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19992394
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19992394
bravo1 Starman bravo1 thumbup.
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Truely sickening, unfortunately not surprising.
I couldn't agree more Alan.
Truly sickening.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19992394
bravo1 Starman bravo1 thumbup.
Who did you get?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19992394
bravo1 Starman bravo1 thumbup.
Who did you get?
Apparently i voted for Vince Vaughn.
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So proud of the American troops.
Truely sickening, unfortunately not surprising.
I couldn't agree more Alan.
Truly sickening.
And this is worst you can come up with? Did you two ever do anything stupid while you were 18-24 years old?
About 2 million troops have been deployed since 911 and this is the worst you have? Opps, you forgot Abu Ghriab, shocking truely shocking. And notice the civilians (and children) were not fearful of the US troops, they actively followed the soldiers around.
I don't condone their behavior, but I also understand young men do stupid things.
And there are positive views:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrhCnULeQq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrhCnULeQq4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZ1QWaZoWU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZ1QWaZoWU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC__DXber0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC__DXber0s)
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So proud of the American troops.
Truely sickening, unfortunately not surprising.
I couldn't agree more Alan.
Truly sickening.
And this is worst you can come up with? Did you two ever do anything stupid while you were 18-24 years old?
About 2 million troops have been deployed since 911 and this is the worst you have? Opps, you forgot Abu Ghriab, shocking truely shocking. And notice the civilians (and children) were not fearful of the US troops, they actively followed the soldiers around.
I don't condone their behavior, but I also understand young men do stupid things.
And there are positive views:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrhCnULeQq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrhCnULeQq4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZ1QWaZoWU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZ1QWaZoWU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC__DXber0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC__DXber0s)
I don't condone their behavior, but I also understand young men do stupid things.
What an unbelievable statement to make.
Is it just a stupid thing to publicly take the piss out of children regarding their religion.
Is it a stupid thing to publicly humiliate Muslims about their sexuality and talk in a disgusting and degrading manner.
Is a a stupid thing to kill a defenceless puppy just for fun.
You and your countrymen must be so proud of the great and brave American Army.
If i had my way i would put them animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
I was under the impression that the American soldiers were deployed there to help the people,not use them as some sort of entertainment.
Still as you say they are only young and stupid and that's one of the biggest problems little boys fighting wars.
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oldmanwithstick How much longer are we having this shit on here? 99% of people on her could not give a flying fcuk who it is.
The parmessan was more interesting.
buriram_united
burirampea
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oldmanwithstick How much longer are we having this shit on here? 99% of people on her could not give a flying fcuk who it is.
How much longer are we having this sxxt on here? 99% of people on her could not give a flying fxxk who it is.
I would suggest that with 64 replies most of the members find this topic interesting.
You say 99% of the members don't find this topic interesting where do you get your figures from,or is that just an uneducated guess.
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Take out the posts by URLEFT,RON TEXAS AND ITALIANTONY what are you left with?
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Take out the posts by URLEFT,RON TEXAS AND ITALIANTONY what are you left with?
Well let's see.
Binnsy,Starman,Alan,Nookiebear,Jamaw,Chudless,Co-Co,Iisanbirder,Ahab,T.B.W.G,Toffo,and Gotlost.
Another 12 by my calculations.
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The parmessan was more interesting.
Do you mean Parmesan.
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swordfight
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
Yes guilty of tax fraud but he is not responsible for mass murder like one President i could mention.
Italian Tony, it seems that you like to put down America for supposed war crimes. Before you start throwing stones maybe you should think about the war crimes that Italians have been responsible for though out history, from crucifying Christ to dropping mustard gas on African tribesmen (and many others).
There is a story about people who live in glass houses.......
I am sure that you think that Mussolini was a lot better than George Bush. To each his own.
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swordfighthttp://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
Yes guilty of tax fraud but he is not responsible for mass murder like one President i could mention.
Italian Tony, it seems that you like to put down America for supposed war crimes. Before you start throwing stones maybe you should think about the war crimes that Italians have been responsible for though out history, from crucifying Christ to dropping mustard gas on African tribesmen (and many others).
There is a story about people who live in glass houses.......
I am sure that you think that Mussolini was a lot better than George Bush. To each his own.
Sorry where have i stated that i was in support of crucifying Christ.
Where have i stated that i was in support of dropping mustard gas on African tribesmen.
I do not support war or murder.
Sorry what was you saying about glass houses.
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oldmanwithstick How much longer are we having this shit on here? 99% of people on her could not give a flying fcuk who it is.
The parmessan was more interesting.
buriram_united
burirampea
I agree, I was wondering why this Topic was started as I would not think it would matter to the rest of you which scumbag we elect.
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Is it just a stupid thing to publicly take the piss out of children regarding their religion.
Is it a stupid thing to publicly humiliate Muslims about their sexuality and talk in a disgusting and degrading manner.
Is a a stupid thing to kill a defenceless puppy just for fun.
You and your countrymen must be so proud of the great and brave American Army.
If i had my way i would put them animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
I was under the impression that the American soldiers were deployed there to help the people,not use them as some sort of entertainment.
Still as you say they are only young and stupid and that's one of the biggest problems little boys fighting wars.
And you are damn right I an very proud of my American Military that I personally served in for over 27 years. And our little boys have been saving your ansestors' asses for a 100 years so get some respect. Without our little boys you would be speaking German and getting bitch slapped for voicing your opinion.
And it's a good thing that our little boys have stood in the way of others having their way and putting you animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
You have your freedom and it is due to veterans like me and my boys in the American Military. And that is a fact.
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swordfighthttp://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
Yes guilty of tax fraud but he is not responsible for mass murder like one President i could mention.
Italian Tony, it seems that you like to put down America for supposed war crimes. Before you start throwing stones maybe you should think about the war crimes that Italians have been responsible for though out history, from crucifying Christ to dropping mustard gas on African tribesmen (and many others).
There is a story about people who live in glass houses.......
I am sure that you think that Mussolini was a lot better than George Bush. To each his own.
You DO know that Italian Tony is about as Italian as pie and mash......... don't you ?
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Is it just a stupid thing to publicly take the piss out of children regarding their religion.
Is it a stupid thing to publicly humiliate Muslims about their sexuality and talk in a disgusting and degrading manner.
Is a a stupid thing to kill a defenceless puppy just for fun.
You and your countrymen must be so proud of the great and brave American Army.
If i had my way i would put them animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
I was under the impression that the American soldiers were deployed there to help the people,not use them as some sort of entertainment.
Still as you say they are only young and stupid and that's one of the biggest problems little boys fighting wars.
And you are damn right I an very proud of my American Military that I personally served in for over 27 years. And our little boys have been saving your ansestors' asses for a 100 years so get some respect. Without our little boys you would be speaking German and getting bitch slapped for voicing your opinion.
And it's a good thing that our little boys have stood in the way of others having their way and putting you animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
You have your freedom and it is due to veterans like me and my boys in the American Military. And that is a fact.
You and your little boys will never get my respect nor will i respect anyone who as been involved in the murder of innocent people.But i do respect the American veterans who returned their medals that represented lies and betrayal.
http://youtu.be/yBYK1ya6UZw
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The parmessan was more interesting.
Do you mean Parmesan.
I like Parmesan..
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Is it just a stupid thing to publicly take the piss out of children regarding their religion.
Is it a stupid thing to publicly humiliate Muslims about their sexuality and talk in a disgusting and degrading manner.
Is a a stupid thing to kill a defenceless puppy just for fun.
You and your countrymen must be so proud of the great and brave American Army.
If i had my way i would put them animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
I was under the impression that the American soldiers were deployed there to help the people,not use them as some sort of entertainment.
Still as you say they are only young and stupid and that's one of the biggest problems little boys fighting wars.
And you are damn right I an very proud of my American Military that I personally served in for over 27 years. And our little boys have been saving your ansestors' asses for a 100 years so get some respect. Without our little boys you would be speaking German and getting bitch slapped for voicing your opinion.
And it's a good thing that our little boys have stood in the way of others having their way and putting you animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
You have your freedom and it is due to veterans like me and my boys in the American Military. And that is a fact.
You and your little boys will never get my respect nor will i respect anyone who as been involved in the murder of innocent people.But i do respect the American veterans who returned their medals that represented lies and betrayal.
I suppose it is easier to make these comments when you are an outsider.
Still, as they say - opinions are like arse-holes - we all have one.
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Urleft - you are the one that started all this US crap. I've sat back and watched the predictable crap that comes out of US veterans.
I'm ex uk forces and I don't go on about but I will state for the record that the US forces are a liability. The Army do between 6 weeks and 3 months training hence their lack of professionalism. Compare and contrast with the UK Army at a minimum 3 month and the Royal Marines who have the longest and toughest training of all armed forces at 9 months.
I was serving at the Commando Training Centre, Royal Marines and there was always an exchange visit between US Marines and RM. It ceased in 1978 as they refused to do the Commando course, the same happened when I worked with their Rangers on a 30 mole yomp over Dartmoor carrying 35 kg, not one of them lasted more than 12 miles.
The US forces are technology dependent which is another reason for the high friendly fire rate. When I was in Queensland working with the Aussie SAS I heard the very same briefing that UK soldiers get - watch out for the yanks and friendly fire. We actually don't refer to it as friendly fire but 'negligent fire'.
I sit at a bar in Bangkok and I hear two yanks talking about AYE RAK. Two obese mouth organs telling stories that defy belief. You've lost every war you've taken part in. If you can't blanket bomb then you're clueless because Vietnam showed up the very poor soldiering skills and from then on you've learned nothing.
It would be nice if an American could come on here and not describe himself in the past-tense- I'm ex...I'm a AYE RAK Vet. It means nothing to me as I have experiences that are not un-similar to that video showing poorly trained soldiers making idiots of themselves, just like they did in Vietnam.
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swordfighthttp://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
Yes guilty of tax fraud but he is not responsible for mass murder like one President i could mention.
Italian Tony, it seems that you like to put down America for supposed war crimes. Before you start throwing stones maybe you should think about the war crimes that Italians have been responsible for though out history, from crucifying Christ to dropping mustard gas on African tribesmen (and many others).
There is a story about people who live in glass houses.......
I am sure that you think that Mussolini was a lot better than George Bush. To each his own.
I did not know that. Why the heck is he called Italian Tony?
Oh by the way Mitt Romney will be the next president of the United States (an effort to get this thread back on topic).
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Since we are talking about military service I served for 24 years on nuclear powered fast attack submarines in the United States Navy. I did not do any killing during my years on active duty (except for a few brain cells).
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And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
Looks fair to me. Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.
That's exactly the attitude i would expect from a Yank.
This conversation is going nowhere so there is not point when you make remarks like that.
One day i hope you and people like you wake up and realize what your country is doing to innocent people around the world all in the name of greed.
Yup, obviously going nowhere. How many innocent people were killed during WWII?
However, I do agree that it is too bad that terrorists us innocent people as shields. Be much easier if we could get the terrorists to line up for battle so we could go at it.
When you have GVT sponsored terrorism at some point the US will stop being nice guys and take out that GVT, because we can. But usually in the aftermath of a US invasion, that country usually comes away very good, just look at Italy, Germany, Japan, etc. If the US was really greedy you would all be US provinces (expect some fireworks from that allegation). However, the truth is:
'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'
And after 911, I am all for fighting elsewhere and keeping the terrorists occupied away from the US. But people like you blame the US, not the actual scumbags using women and children as shields, and the terrorists win because of people like you.
Only replying to this because of your continue use of the word Terrorist.
The real Terrorists in this world are not in the middle Eastern Muslim countries,but are standing tall in the Whitehouse Washington D.C United States of America.
That is a load of crap. When the United States starts to intentionally target innocent civilians you might be able to call the USA a terrorist nation. We have not and do not target civilians.
It is fine if you do not like the USA, but at least get your facts straight. According to you people who blow up pizza shops full of teenagers are not terrorists, but the US is a terrorist nation.
You my friend have a very twisted sense of reality.
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swordfighthttp://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1026/Former-Italian-Premier-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-four-years-for-tax-fraud
this has just got to be shocking news! I mean who would have suspected a crooked Italian politician????????????? :ohmy:
Yes guilty of tax fraud but he is not responsible for mass murder like one President i could mention.
Italian Tony, it seems that you like to put down America for supposed war crimes. Before you start throwing stones maybe you should think about the war crimes that Italians have been responsible for though out history, from crucifying Christ to dropping mustard gas on African tribesmen (and many others).
There is a story about people who live in glass houses.......
I am sure that you think that Mussolini was a lot better than George Bush. To each his own.
You DO know that Italian Tony is about as Italian as pie and mash......... don't you ?
CO-CO hope he brings H.P. sauce with him for his pie and mash..
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From the county that preaches democracy and denies millions the right to vote...http://tinyurl.com/8w5u7p2
And for those who are not aware Al Jazeera is banned in the USA and no reason given. I my experience its one of the most impartial and balance media organizations in the world.
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From the county that preaches democracy and denies millions the right to vote...http://tinyurl.com/8w5u7p2
And for those who are not aware Al Jazeera is banned in the USA and no reason given. I my experience its one of the most impartial and balance media organizations in the world.
You are not correct, Al Jazeera is not banned in the USA it is available on cable and satellite. However, I do agree with you that it is a good news organization.
I haven't checked your link yet (but will shortly), but voting in the United States is very easy for anyone that is legally entitled to vote. Hell in some States you do not even need an ID card to cast a vote.
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Last time I looked earlier this year one State was trying to get Aljazeera and was being blocked but happy to be corrected.
As for the link, I'm just posting it but I do know many illegals can vote and others can't.
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From the county that preaches democracy and denies millions the right to vote...http://tinyurl.com/8w5u7p2
I read the article and the arguments are specious. The primary "voter suppression" measure that is being considered is voter ID. Ask yourself this question, how many people do you know that do not have some form of identification? I don't know of anyone. You need an ID to drive a car, travel internationally, cash a check, buy cigarettes, or buy alcohol. I live in Hawaii which is a democrat party controlled state, you need an ID card to vote. I am going to be away on travel on November 6th so I voted early at a walk in polling place on the 23rd of October. I walked in, filled out a short form with my information, showed my drivers license, waited in a short line, and voted. I was in and out in 20 minutes and that included parking and walking to the building.
I do not think it is too much to ask (or denying someones right to vote) to ask for proper ID before you cast a vote.
That being said, I also believe that if you are so stupid that you cannot figure out how to get an identification card that you have absolutely no business voting for anyone (not even the local dog catcher).
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Last time I looked earlier this year one State was trying to get Aljazeera and was being blocked but happy to be corrected.
As for the link, I'm just posting it but I do know many illegals can vote and others can't.
It is very possible that it is blocked in an individual cable or satellite provider (or a state somewhere in the US). Al Jazeera is a new agency and I don't think it should be banned. Let the marketplace decide, there are millions of Muslim immigrants that reside in the USA (who would have thought that possible, being that we are the great satan and routinely and purposely kill innocent Muslim civilians according to some people). If people are willing to pay for the service, I am sure that someone will provide the option. Money is money.
Cheers,
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And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
Looks fair to me. Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.
That's exactly the attitude i would expect from a Yank.
This conversation is going nowhere so there is not point when you make remarks like that.
One day i hope you and people like you wake up and realize what your country is doing to innocent people around the world all in the name of greed.
Yup, obviously going nowhere. How many innocent people were killed during WWII?
However, I do agree that it is too bad that terrorists us innocent people as shields. Be much easier if we could get the terrorists to line up for battle so we could go at it.
When you have GVT sponsored terrorism at some point the US will stop being nice guys and take out that GVT, because we can. But usually in the aftermath of a US invasion, that country usually comes away very good, just look at Italy, Germany, Japan, etc. If the US was really greedy you would all be US provinces (expect some fireworks from that allegation). However, the truth is:
'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'
And after 911, I am all for fighting elsewhere and keeping the terrorists occupied away from the US. But people like you blame the US, not the actual scumbags using women and children as shields, and the terrorists win because of people like you.
Only replying to this because of your continue use of the word Terrorist.
The real Terrorists in this world are not in the middle Eastern Muslim countries,but are standing tall in the Whitehouse Washington D.C United States of America.
That is a load of crap. When the United States starts to intentionally target innocent civilians you might be able to call the USA a terrorist nation. We have not and do not target civilians.
It is fine if you do not like the USA, but at least get your facts straight. According to you people who blow up pizza shops full of teenagers are not terrorists, but the US is a terrorist nation.
You my friend have a very twisted sense of reality.
So i have a twisted sense of reality and America does not.
REALLY.
http://youtu.be/UOs9FlmXAKQ
http://youtu.be/0Ya4SHnEWkU
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And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
Looks fair to me. Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.
That's exactly the attitude i would expect from a Yank.
This conversation is going nowhere so there is not point when you make remarks like that.
One day i hope you and people like you wake up and realize what your country is doing to innocent people around the world all in the name of greed.
Yup, obviously going nowhere. How many innocent people were killed during WWII?
However, I do agree that it is too bad that terrorists us innocent people as shields. Be much easier if we could get the terrorists to line up for battle so we could go at it.
When you have GVT sponsored terrorism at some point the US will stop being nice guys and take out that GVT, because we can. But usually in the aftermath of a US invasion, that country usually comes away very good, just look at Italy, Germany, Japan, etc. If the US was really greedy you would all be US provinces (expect some fireworks from that allegation). However, the truth is:
'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'
And after 911, I am all for fighting elsewhere and keeping the terrorists occupied away from the US. But people like you blame the US, not the actual scumbags using women and children as shields, and the terrorists win because of people like you.
Only replying to this because of your continue use of the word Terrorist.
The real Terrorists in this world are not in the middle Eastern Muslim countries,but are standing tall in the Whitehouse Washington D.C United States of America.
That is a load of crap. When the United States starts to intentionally target innocent civilians you might be able to call the USA a terrorist nation. We have not and do not target civilians.
It is fine if you do not like the USA, but at least get your facts straight. According to you people who blow up pizza shops full of teenagers are not terrorists, but the US is a terrorist nation.
You my friend have a very twisted sense of reality.
So i have a twisted sense of reality and America does not.
REALLY.
http://youtu.be/UOs9FlmXAKQ
http://youtu.be/0Ya4SHnEWkU
I watched the links. I do not know what to say. I know that nothing I can say will change the way you think if those propaganda videos are the way you see the world. If you cannot see any difference between someone that straps explosives to his (or her) body and walks into a crowded market to kill as many civilians as possible and the US or NATO allies in Afghanistan I fear that there is no common ground between us. Have a nice life.
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Don't let it bother you, Ahab! As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English; I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others; this is normal.
Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it. Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.
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Don't let it bother you, Ahab! As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English; I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others; this is normal.
Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it. Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.
What makes you think i am winding people up.
Everything i have stated i 100% believe in,i haven't made 1 post that i don't believe in.
(Frankly i don't think any forum needs people like you)
Why because my opinions differ from others isn't that what America is fighting for freedom of speech.
You don't have to agree with me but it's my opinion.
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Don't let it bother you, Ahab! As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English; I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others; this is normal.
Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it. Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.
He is not Italian, he is not winding anybody up and I am sure he believes everything he has posted.
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Don't let it bother you, Ahab! As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English; I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others; this is normal.
Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it. Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.
What makes you think i am winding people up.
Everything i have stated i 100% believe in,i haven't made 1 post that i don't believe in.
(Frankly i don't think any forum needs people like you)
Why because my opinions differ from others isn't that what America is fighting for freedom of speech.
You don't have to agree with me but it's my opinion.
And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.
No context is provided.
Looks fair to me. Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.
That's exactly the attitude i would expect from a Yank.
This conversation is going nowhere so there is not point when you make remarks like that.
One day i hope you and people like you wake up and realize what your country is doing to innocent people around the world all in the name of greed.
Yup, obviously going nowhere. How many innocent people were killed during WWII?
However, I do agree that it is too bad that terrorists us innocent people as shields. Be much easier if we could get the terrorists to line up for battle so we could go at it.
When you have GVT sponsored terrorism at some point the US will stop being nice guys and take out that GVT, because we can. But usually in the aftermath of a US invasion, that country usually comes away very good, just look at Italy, Germany, Japan, etc. If the US was really greedy you would all be US provinces (expect some fireworks from that allegation). However, the truth is:
'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'
And after 911, I am all for fighting elsewhere and keeping the terrorists occupied away from the US. But people like you blame the US, not the actual scumbags using women and children as shields, and the terrorists win because of people like you.
Only replying to this because of your continue use of the word Terrorist.
The real Terrorists in this world are not in the middle Eastern Muslim countries,but are standing tall in the Whitehouse Washington D.C United States of America.
That is a load of crap. When the United States starts to intentionally target innocent civilians you might be able to call the USA a terrorist nation. We have not and do not target civilians.
It is fine if you do not like the USA, but at least get your facts straight. According to you people who blow up pizza shops full of teenagers are not terrorists, but the US is a terrorist nation.
You my friend have a very twisted sense of reality.
So i have a twisted sense of reality and America does not.
REALLY.
http://youtu.be/UOs9FlmXAKQ
http://youtu.be/0Ya4SHnEWkU
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Don't let it bother you, Ahab! As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English; I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others; this is normal.
Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it. Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.
What makes you think i am winding people up.
Everything i have stated i 100% believe in,i haven't made 1 post that i don't believe in.
(Frankly i don't think any forum needs people like you)
Why because my opinions differ from others isn't that what America is fighting for freedom of speech.
You don't have to agree with me but it's my opinion.
Italiantony, I was not going to reply to this topic, but I wanted to make a couple of points. You don't wind people up because you believe in something or have an opinion that differs from what I hold. For myself it is that you cannot draw any difference between intentionally targeting women and children or taking incredible precautions (and in many situations actually endangering US troops in the field) to not harm innocent people.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it does make the world a more interesting place. I do think it would be more interesting though if you could put together a cogent argument for your positions. Name calling and posting propaganda videos add little to support your opinions, but when your position is not supported by facts I guess it is probably the best way to go.
Cheers,
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Where is Urleft..................??
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As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English; I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others; this is normal.
Isanbirder, I am American and I also admire the USA for some things and deplore its actions in others.
As Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill stated "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing
—after they’ve tried everything else."
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If i had my way i would put them animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
BTW, exactly what law would you put them away for "in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole"?
Do you want to put them in prison because they heinously broke a law, or because your itsy bitsy feelings are hurt?
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Urleft - you are the one that started all this US crap. I've sat back and watched the predictable crap that comes out of US veterans.
I'm ex uk forces and I don't go on about but I will state for the record that the US forces are a liability. The Army do between 6 weeks and 3 months training hence their lack of professionalism. Compare and contrast with the UK Army at a minimum 3 month and the Royal Marines who have the longest and toughest training of all armed forces at 9 months.
I was serving at the Commando Training Centre, Royal Marines and there was always an exchange visit between US Marines and RM. It ceased in 1978 as they refused to do the Commando course, the same happened when I worked with their Rangers on a 30 mole yomp over Dartmoor carrying 35 kg, not one of them lasted more than 12 miles.
The US forces are technology dependent which is another reason for the high friendly fire rate. When I was in Queensland working with the Aussie SAS I heard the very same briefing that UK soldiers get - watch out for the yanks and friendly fire. We actually don't refer to it as friendly fire but 'negligent fire'.
I sit at a bar in Bangkok and I hear two yanks talking about AYE RAK. Two obese mouth organs telling stories that defy belief. You've lost every war you've taken part in. If you can't blanket bomb then you're clueless because Vietnam showed up the very poor soldiering skills and from then on you've learned nothing.
It would be nice if an American could come on here and not describe himself in the past-tense- I'm ex...I'm a AYE RAK Vet. It means nothing to me as I have experiences that are not un-similar to that video showing poorly trained soldiers making idiots of themselves, just like they did in Vietnam.
Wow, the UK forces I personally trained, showed them the best way to use new weapons, and then in 2007 volunteered to delploy with them (put my money where my mouth was) to Bashra where my training stopped them from getting killed every day with 3-7 rocket attacks a day. I lived in the same quarters, ate with them and worked with them to overcome challenges of new/foreign equipment. I still have shrapnel from that experience.
I did not have a problem with most of them. But then for some reason I get along very well with combat soldiers, it is REMFs I have get into major conficts with.
However, Beckworth learned a lot from SAS training and I thanks the UK for it.
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Where is Urleft..................??
Taking care of the important things in life, like my wife's birthday.
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From the county that preaches democracy and denies millions the right to vote...http://tinyurl.com/8w5u7p2 (http://tinyurl.com/8w5u7p2)
And for those who are not aware Al Jazeera is banned in the USA and no reason given. I my experience its one of the most impartial and balance media organizations in the world.
Are you for real?
From the article: It's also the case these would-be voters are much less likely to have driving licences, birth certificates, or any other sort of documentation required by the avalanche of voter-ID laws, being marketed to "protect the vote", so those figures are probably only going to get worse, and the US media is not going to help you understand how or why.
Wow, someone has to show a valid ID to vote to prove that are who they say that are, they are not dead, not illegal, and fraudulant. You cannot get US Services (e.g., Medicare, Welfare, etc.) without an ID.
And you think requiring an ID is dening the right to vote? The Democrat party needs you.
However, these are other things that need an ID (I cannot see where you need ID to buy cigarettes is worse than needing an ID to vote):
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With respect ,,,,,are YOU trying to tell me that because I have a business I'm not allowed 'free speech'.?
AND after reading that utter load of waffle I would suggest you start to live in the 'real world' or get serious medical help urgently.
Just for the record I have many friends & customers from various American descents including Korean-Americans & German-Americans.......Have a nice Day!!!!!
As far as I am concerned you are allowed to say whatever you want, and people are free to choose not to listen. When you call people thick because they don't agree with you or say they need mental help, maybe you should try to look elsewhere than where you are looking for your opinions.
If you had taken time to read the 1st post carefully ,BEFORE jumping in with both feet,it clearly states, SOME Americans are THICK........I dont think even you can disagree with that.Have a nice day!!
And Nookie, I think it is fun to banter exchange views. However, just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are wrong.
You have twice accused of mental issues because my views do not agree with yours.
So here is your post:
I've just seen a poll being conducted by THE BANGKOK POST which shows Romney well in the lead......I'm well aware how thick some Americans are but surely not all of them!!
They way I read this is that you are saying American's for Romney are Thick. Am I misreading what you so clearly wrote?
I take that as you calling me Thick, plus need medical help because I don't agree with you.
My view is that since you cannot back you what you say with facts you are a bag of wind that is not worth listening to. I am still waiting for you response as to "We all know why." a 67" latino man was not immediately charged with shooting a 72+" 180 pound black guy that on was on top beating him MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) style.
So while I tried to visit your business last month, that will be the last time. I would visit your business mostly regardless of your personal opinions, but you want to personally insult me, I do not need to spend my money at such establishments.
However, I wish you luck with your business model. And you have a great day.
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Urleft- the ID post I have no problem with,I just posted it for consumption.
As for your service, I'm not in a position to comment but respect your post.
In my experience, anyone that has served 25+ years is in a non-combat position although I will concede there are members of the uk army that go up to 22 years. I personally did 12 years in a commando unit specialising in anti-terrorism in the peak time of the1980's and that was about 2 to 3 too long as my body couldn't take anymore and the pressure of my family not knowing where i was or what I was doing took its toll.
I do not aim directly at you but neither do I detract from anything I've posted as neither me or any other colleagues enjoyed working with Americans in the theatre of battle. Sorry, but it's a fact stated by those of us in the front line, Aussies, Kiwis and Canooks; quite simply, you haven't learned from Vietnam that your forces,that is land forces and air forces are a liability.
Regretfully, this should not reflect upon the ordinary US soldier who will always do his best but upon the clowns that lead them.
Just to conclude, we have sent the sons of parliamentarians and royalty into war zones , recently Wills and Harry, their uncle also served bravely in the Falklands. I'm informed that only one immediate relative of US Senators has served intone past 20+ years. I don't know if that's accurate but knowing both Clinton and George W. we're both draft dodgers doesn't set a good example.
I conclude by stating it gives me no pleasure to bring up these matters but as stated previously I'm sick of listening to obese mouth organs from the USA telling us what heroes they were when history and experience tells me different.
These subjects are best not discussed on boards like these as the ignorant and ill-informed will make irrelivant comments and others such as you and me will make comments that cannot be verified.
And finally, as one who was responsible for liaison with US Marines and their families in uk the biggest thing that scared them, the most challenging obstacle that few ever managed to overcome was the British driving test.
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Urleft- the ID post I have no problem with,I just posted it for consumption.
As for your service, I'm not in a position to comment but respect your post.
In my experience, anyone that has served 25+ years is in a non-combat position although I will concede there are members of the uk army that go up to 22 years. I personally did 12 years in a commando unit specialising in anti-terrorism in the peak time of the1980's and that was about 2 to 3 too long as my body couldn't take anymore and the pressure of my family not knowing where i was or what I was doing took its toll.
I do not aim directly at you but neither do I detract from anything I've posted as neither me or any other colleagues enjoyed working with Americans in the theatre of battle. Sorry, but it's a fact stated by those of us in the front line, Aussies, Kiwis and Canooks; quite simply, you haven't learned from Vietnam that your forces,that is land forces and air forces are a liability.
Regretfully, this should not reflect upon the ordinary US soldier who will always do his best but upon the clowns that lead them.
Just to conclude, we have sent the sons of parliamentarians and royalty into war zones , recently Wills and Harry, their uncle also served bravely in the Falklands. I'm informed that only one immediate relative of US Senators has served intone past 20+ years. I don't know if that's accurate but knowing both Clinton and George W. we're both draft dodgers doesn't set a good example.
I conclude by stating it gives me no pleasure to bring up these matters but as stated previously I'm sick of listening to obese mouth organs from the USA telling us what heroes they were when history and experience tells me different.
These subjects are best not discussed on boards like these as the ignorant and ill-informed will make irrelivant comments and others such as you and me will make comments that cannot be verified.
And finally, as one who was responsible for liaison with US Marines and their families in uk the biggest thing that scared them, the most challenging obstacle that few ever managed to overcome was the British driving test.
OK, maybe I misunderstood you.
Yes, the average troop would not keep up with the SAS, not even sure about our Rangers as having worked with them they seem more brawn that brains.
And one of my SF buddies said about his NCOs, they have a lot of heart (despite being overwieght), this was 1979.
I don't fault the troops. Some have it, some don't. The problems lies at the strategic level with doing what it takes to win. You want to win, you kill the enemy where he is, even if you have to cross a "neutral" border to do it. From the Korean war on the US has failed to fight a war to win, they let international boundries stop them, allowing safe haven to the enemy.
Yes, the average American soldier would not make the SAS, I doubt I would. But my high school buddy (retired E8) did, we exchanged some good stories about that over some beer.
There are soldiers, the guys that fight.
There are elite soldiers that take the tough jobs.
There are special elite soldiers that infiltrate and destroy.
And there are about 1 out of 10,000 that exceed us all. I am not one of these.
However, we are all pawns to our civilian leadership (or lack there of).
But overall, the world is a better place because of American soldiers. How many countries have American Soldiers occupied? How many of these are still occupied and controlled by these American soldiers?
Are we finding common ground Jamaw?
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I don't know if that's accurate but knowing both Clinton and George W. we're both draft dodgers doesn't set a good example.
Don't go here!
Neither was a draft dodger, they both used legal means availble to them.
Clinton used ROTC to defer a possible draft, and when he saw is "number" would not be drafted he quit ROTC. Right or wrong, it was legal what he did.
George W flew F-102's, an air to air interceptor for the Texas National Guard. Air to Air combat in Vietnam was not a priority. There is speculation that W volunteered for Vietnam (not sure). However, the AWOL assertions against W are all crap, the rules are different for an officer than a enlisted. If an officers fails to drill he is sent to the IRR (idividual Ready Reserve), he is not AWOL. He is only AWOL if he fails to adhere to orders to deploy. An officier missing a drill is not AWOL.
As a conservative I don't agree with what Cliton did, however, he was legally correct. As far as Geoge W, he did everything required of him, and could have been sent to Vietnam, but was never selected. But I have a lot of fighter pilot friends, they would like nothing more than prove themselves in combat; I have read W volunteered to go (but not selected) and it did not happen. I can easily believe that based on crazy pilots I have worked with.
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Testosteron overload............One lovely ederly gentleman by the name of Graham Miller befriended me in his latter years. He joked many times about the monies he had made and lost. Shared many a meal and a beer together but always he kept something private which I respected. It was only after his passing I learned he was ex SBS.
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You avoided the question, what specific laws are being broken that you would put away these soldiers for life without the possibility of parole?
Normal people do not inprison people for life unless specific crimes are committed like murder, and while very stupid what these soldiers are doing, what is the specific crime?
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You avoided the question, what specific laws are being broken that you would put away these soldiers for life without the possibility of parole?
Normal people do not inprison people for life unless specific crimes are committed like murder, and while very stupid what these soldiers are doing, what is the specific crime?
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UR - you make a very good point.
I would like to see "very stupid" uprated to "internationally unacceptable" then I could add my 100% support to your statement.
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UR - you make a very good point.
I would like to see "very stupid" uprated to "internationally unacceptable" then I could add my 100% support to your statement.
Hard for me to say that as who am I to speak for the international community representing all the countries and cultures?
However, in some instances I can speak for the US Military. And I do know that several of these military members received punishment under the UCMJ (Unified Code of Military Justice). The US military tries very hard to police its own, but when you have over 2 million military deployed in a high stress environments a lot of time without direct oversight of senior enlisted or officers, some are going to do stupid, unacceptable, dangerous, illegal, and deadly things. This behavior is not condoned by the leadership or idicative of the vast majority of the US military. Overall I have found the military to represent some of the best parts of American society because you litterally trust your team mates with your life. And for every account of an American Military Member doing something unacceptable, there are thousands of them doing the right thing.
How about we settle on just "unacceptable"?
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If i had my way i would put them animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
BTW, exactly what law would you put them away for "in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole"?
Do you want to put them in prison because they heinously broke a law, or because your itsy bitsy feelings are hurt?
This is one of the reasons why.
Any normal person would think the same.
But i said normal so that will exclude most Americans.
Tell me are you really proud of this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085378/US-troops-urinating-dead-Afghan-bodies-video-used-Taliban-recruitment-tool.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085378/US-troops-urinating-dead-Afghan-bodies-video-used-Taliban-recruitment-tool.html)
You avoided the question, what specific laws are being broken that you would put away these soldiers for life without the possibility of parole?
Normal people do not inprison people for life unless specific crimes are committed like murder, and while very stupid what these soldiers are doing, what is the specific crime?
They are all guilty of the biggest crime in the world today inhumanity.
To treat children in such a undignified manner is a crime against humanity itself.
To laugh and mock a child because of his/her disabilities or his/her disfigurements is a crime against humanity .
To kill a defenseless puppy and stand and laugh with your friend is insanity and i strongly believe the men in those videos were insane,and there is no place in the world for those type of people.
They need to be locked away from the general public for the rest of their life's,because there is no coming back from that level of insanity.
If you or anyone else agree that those soldiers only acted "very stupidly"and not with inhumanity and insanity then i pity the world we all live in today now and in the future.
Italiantony, if you think that was the worst crime that is possible then you are very naive. There are a lot worse things going on around the world every single day. Perhaps you choose to ignore them because you are convinced that the US is the worst evil possible.
The world is full of a lot of really bad actors. War should always be the last option. Horrible things happen in war, but war is not the worst thing that can happen. Ask the Jewish and Slavic citizens under Germany during WWII if war is the worse thing that can ever happen?
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UR - you make a very good point.
I would like to see "very stupid" uprated to "internationally unacceptable" then I could add my 100% support to your statement.
Hard for me to say that as who am I to speak for the international community representing all the countries and cultures?
However, in some instances I can speak for the US Military. And I do know that several of these military members received punishment under the UCMJ (Unified Code of Military Justice). The US military tries very hard to police its own, but when you have over 2 million military deployed in a high stress environments a lot of time without direct oversight of senior enlisted or officers, some are going to do stupid, unacceptable, dangerous, illegal, and deadly things. This behavior is not condoned by the leadership or idicative of the vast majority of the US military. Overall I have found the military to represent some of the best parts of American society because you litterally trust your team mates with your life. And for every account of an American Military Member doing something unacceptable, there are thousands of them doing the right thing.
How about we settle on just "unacceptable"?
Thanks. That is close enough, you understood my point.
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Looks like Italiantony's post got lost, glad you captured it Ahab, as the saying goes "Give a man enough rope and he will hang himself"
You avoided the question, what specific laws are being broken that you would put away these soldiers for life without the possibility of parole?
Normal people do not inprison people for life unless specific crimes are committed like murder, and while very stupid what these soldiers are doing, what is the specific crime?
Per Italiantony:
They are all guilty of the biggest crime in the world today inhumanity.
To treat children in such a undignified manner is a crime against humanity itself.
To laugh and mock a child because of his/her disabilities or his/her disfigurements is a crime against humanity .
To kill a defenseless puppy and stand and laugh with your friend is insanity and i strongly believe the men in those videos were insane,and there is no place in the world for those type of people.
They need to be locked away from the general public for the rest of their life's,because there is no coming back from that level of insanity.
If you or anyone else agree that those soldiers only acted "very stupidly"and not with inhumanity and insanity then i pity the world we all live in today now and in the future.
Based on his standards then these events should easily be called inhumanity crimes:
Halabja poison gas attack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack)
The Taliban and their allies committed massacres against Afghan civilians,[25][26][27] denied UN food supplies to 160,000 starving civilians[28] and conducted a policy of scorched earth burning vast areas of fertile land and destroying tens of thousands of homes during their rule from 1996-2001.[29][30] Hundreds of thousands of people were forced to flee to United Front-controlled territory, Pakistan and Iran.[30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban)
and:
REMEMBER SADDAM HUSSEIN'S ATROCITIESMichNews.com, BloodHoundDaily.com, ConservativeTruth.com | J. Grant Swank, Jr.
Posted on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:51:23 PM by grantswank
REMEMBER SADDAM HUSSEIN’S ATROCITIES
J. Grant Swank, Jr., POB 1984, Windham ME 04062
Pastor, New Hope Church, Windham ME
Lest we grow numb to Saddam Hussein’s atrocities, let us keep in the forefront of our ethics what devilment this “evil” fiend has been up to. Such is the crucial component regarding what a free, morally sensitive global citizenry must do in response to Hussein’s ongoing dark presence in our world.
He is a hatchet man of the first order:
- Sheikh Taleb Al Souhail, outstanding Iraqi leader and chief of the Bani Tamim tribe, was murdered by Hussein’s intelligence service, the Mukhabarat.
- The Faylee Kurds, mainly men ages 16 - 28, were tortured in Hussein’s detention camps while their families were sent away to Iran.
- Hetau Ibrahim Ahmad, prominent Kurdish spokesperson, tells of her having to flee her entire lifetime, in fact becoming a daily refugee. She sets forth detail of killings, oppression and displacement of Kurds by Hussein terrorists.
- Dr. Katrine Michael, 1988 victim of chemical weaponry, had to flee to Turkey because of the ongoing chemical bombardment of Kurds by Hussein.
- Nidhal Mhuk Shalal Aljuburi, Sabria Mahdi Naama and Peyman Halmat relate women’s public beheadings (while family members were forced to watch), women being dragged through village streets, rapes by Hussein’s security forces, kidnapping and mass killings, and displacements.
- Nidhal Muhi Shalal Aljuburi told of the practical extinction of her Jibour tribe, such including relatives, by Hussein. She related Hussein’s purposeful polluting of southern Iraq marsh areas, such yielding the dying out of animal life. (1)
Further crimes by Hussein include:
- Draining of the southern part of Iraq during the 1990s, such “cleansing” thousands of Iraqi Shiites.
- More ethnic obliteration of the non-Arab population of Kirkuk, blatantly murdering thousands of Hussein’s political opponents.
- Overseeing the murdering of more than 1000 Kuwaitis after his invasion of Kuwait, as well as holding foreign diplomats as hostages, stealing from Kuwaiti citizenry, raining down missiles upon Israeli civilians and seeing through war crimes against American militia.
- Amassing weapons of mass destruction and instigating global terrorism.
- Committing enough crimes so as to fill millions of pages of documentation on the part of the Clinton administration’s investigative teams who culled data for bringing Hussein and his henchmen to international justice.
“Yet no Iraqi official (at least 10 are of extreme interest) has ever been indicted for some of the worst crimes of the 20th century. My efforts to obtain UN Security Council approval for an ad hoc international criminal tribunal encountered one obstacle after another in foreign capitals, in New York and even within the Clinton administration. The usual excuse was that a tribunal would jeopardize either the United Nations' inspections regime or its sanctions regime. We needed Hussein's cooperation, which a criminal indictment might discourage,” Mr. Sheffer states. (2)
Additional crimes include:
- Daily executions, secretly carried out, at the whim of Hussein. "In Iraq, not a day passes without us hearing that someone from a family we know has been executed," one refugee is quoted as saying.
"For example, my neighbor's son was shot outside her house and no one could save him. When he died, the special security forces came and asked her to pay 50,000 Iraqi dinars per bullet to be able to recover the body. She sold everything she had and paid to be able to bury him, on her own, with two police cars accompanying her, and the police buried him. Three days later they came to demolish her house and she was left on the street with her three daughters. I saw that with my own eyes," the refugee added.
- Brainwashing of children, beginning at age five. They are enrolled in “Ashbal Saddam” (“Saddam’s Cubs”) where they must undergo military training, the latter including cruelty to animals. "From the age of nine, children are put through ‘proper’ military training. A firearm is a physical part of the child's body," a mother was quoted as saying.
- Children are at times arrested, put in prison because a parent opposes Hussein, or merely because a soldier decides it is necessary. One mother told that her children, ages eleven and thirteen, were put behind bars for six months—all because her husband, prior to his being executed, refused to preach in favor of the Hussein war against Iran. Finally, to see her offspring set free, she had to pay the government.
- Another witness states: "In 1999, while I was under arrest in Abu Ghreb, I saw a group of women brought into prison with children of between three and five. It became standard practice to arrest women and children to put pressure on husbands, brothers, and father. They were kept from one to three months and released only if they confessed," the witness said.
"We children were between four and twelve in 1981 when we were taken to prison with my mother and my aunt. I can remember the hunger that I felt. When we ran to embrace my mother, who had instruments on either side of her head and was screaming, we felt pain because she was full of electric current," another witness quoted in the report said.
- One million of internally displaced persons in Iraq is due to “forced population removal, known as Arabization.” Under this program, farmland is confiscated, citizens are harassed, imprisoned, tortured, and not permitted to inherit or purchase business or real estate. "The terror in Iraq is ubiquitous," the report says. "Every Iraqi, man, woman and child is a potential enemy -- of the party, of the regime, of the leader Saddam Hussein -- and must be dealt with accordingly." (3) __________________________________________________________________
(1) These testimonials were forthcoming at the National Press Club to an overflow crowd when distinguished Iraq-Americans spoke concerning their personal experiences of the Hussein regime. Moderator was Safia Taleb Al Souhail, Advocacy Director for Middle East and Islamic World at International Alliance for Justice. Joining her was the Honorable Zakia Ismail Hakki, first female judge in Iran and founding member of the Iraqi-American Council, as well as Hetau Ibrahim Ahmad, noted Kurdish activist, and Dr. Katrine Michael, an Iraqi Chaldean and Christian who became a part of the Kurdish resistance movement.
(2) “Try Him For His Crimes,” David J. Scheffer, The Washington Post September 12, 2002.
(3) International Federation of Human Rights Leagues and the Coalition for Justice In Iraq / NGO Reports Human Rights Abuses by Saddam Hussein.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/823242/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/823242/posts)
So based on Italiantony's standard's of what to do about inhumanity crimes the USA is fully justified in the War on Terror operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Thanks for your support Tony!!!! bananadance
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War is not nice and what happens during a war or conflict is best kept there. We are living in an age when soldiers are trying to do a very difficult task and having media examining every aspect of their roles.
When dealing with terrorists, they get what they deserve. I personally have no problems with those US soldiers pissing on those prisoners, they do a lot worse if they capture one of us.
I do not condone the contents of that video, that damaged the reputation of the US forces and those men should have done time inside as many good US servicemen would have been tainted by the same brush because of the actions of a few.
When the Romans settled, or tried to settle in Scotland they were infuriated that the Scots didn't fight like an Army. The centurians couldn't find any men but many had their throats cut over-night. It wasn't conventional warfare but out-numbered by a sophisticated Army, the Scots won; they adopted similar tactics against a more powerful English Army. History is littered with many examples including the American war of independence when the British marched like robots onto forests and the locals (not soldiers) just hid in camouflage and picked them out- oh how the British complained.
Even in Northern Ireland, it took us a while to fight fire with fire then the terrorists complained to the press we were doing bad things to them. Yes a newspaper article stated we had beaten and tortured them yet 5 days previously they bombed a Manchester Mall killing women and children.
Certain things happened in Oman when the present day Sultan Qaboos was trying to over-throw his tyrant father in the early '70's. He did so with the help of British Special Forces. The biggest problem was the insurgents from the south- Salalah and Yemen. They captured one insurgent, slit his tendons and left him in the desert to be eaten alive by desert foxes. After that there were no more raids; the mentality that if eaten by an animal the spirit doesn't go to heaven worked. It may seen a bad thing to do but it was done on the advice of other Arabs.
I can go on but I won't as I still work as a safety & security consultant and travel a lot so it wouldn't be wise.
Some here will never understand what it's like to be under fire and fight back with hands tied because of ignorant people. Politicians will send us to war at the drop of a hat but fail to defend then when needed. It is best that you don't know what goes on and that our troops get the support they deserve.
We should never have gone into Iraq or Afghanistan but we should have gone ion to Zimbabwe to help those people but they don't have oil. We should go into Tibet and help the oppressed people but that would piss off the Chinese and that's not wise. Picking on the little guy is easy and that should stop as many good men get killed and sadly so do innocent civilians.
It started about US Presidents and has widely digressed. Probably best to get back there.
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War is not nice and what happens during a war or conflict is best kept there. We are living in an age when soldiers are trying to do a very difficult task and having media examining every aspect of their roles.
When dealing with terrorists, they get what they deserve. I personally have no problems with those US soldiers pissing on those prisoners, they do a lot worse if they capture one of us.
I do not condone the contents of that video, that damaged the reputation of the US forces and those men should have done time inside as many good US servicemen would have been tainted by the same brush because of the actions of a few.
When the Romans settled, or tried to settle in Scotland they were infuriated that the Scots didn't fight like an Army. The centurians couldn't find any men but many had their throats cut over-night. It wasn't conventional warfare but out-numbered by a sophisticated Army, the Scots won; they adopted similar tactics against a more powerful English Army. History is littered with many examples including the American war of independence when the British marched like robots onto forests and the locals (not soldiers) just hid in camouflage and picked them out- oh how the British complained.
Even in Northern Ireland, it took us a while to fight fire with fire then the terrorists complained to the press we were doing bad things to them. Yes a newspaper article stated we had beaten and tortured them yet 5 days previously they bombed a Manchester Mall killing women and children.
Certain things happened in Oman when the present day Sultan Qaboos was trying to over-throw his tyrant father in the early '70's. He did so with the help of British Special Forces. The biggest problem was the insurgents from the south- Salalah and Yemen. They captured one insurgent, slit his tendons and left him in the desert to be eaten alive by desert foxes. After that there were no more raids; the mentality that if eaten by an animal the spirit doesn't go to heaven worked. It may seen a bad thing to do but it was done on the advice of other Arabs.
I can go on but I won't as I still work as a safety & security consultant and travel a lot so it wouldn't be wise.
Some here will never understand what it's like to be under fire and fight back with hands tied because of ignorant people. Politicians will send us to war at the drop of a hat but fail to defend then when needed. It is best that you don't know what goes on and that our troops get the support they deserve.
We should never have gone into Iraq or Afghanistan but we should have gone ion to Zimbabwe to help those people but they don't have oil. We should go into Tibet and help the oppressed people but that would piss off the Chinese and that's not wise. Picking on the little guy is easy and that should stop as many good men get killed and sadly so do innocent civilians.
It started about US Presidents and has widely digressed. Probably best to get back there.
Great post and I do not disagree with anything that you said, except there was a reason to go there after 911, but we should have left that country a long time ago.
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War is not nice and what happens during a war or conflict is best kept there. We are living in an age when soldiers are trying to do a very difficult task and having media examining every aspect of their roles.
When dealing with terrorists, they get what they deserve. I personally have no problems with those US soldiers pissing on those prisoners, they do a lot worse if they capture one of us.
I do not condone the contents of that video, that damaged the reputation of the US forces and those men should have done time inside as many good US servicemen would have been tainted by the same brush because of the actions of a few.
When the Romans settled, or tried to settle in Scotland they were infuriated that the Scots didn't fight like an Army. The centurians couldn't find any men but many had their throats cut over-night. It wasn't conventional warfare but out-numbered by a sophisticated Army, the Scots won; they adopted similar tactics against a more powerful English Army. History is littered with many examples including the American war of independence when the British marched like robots onto forests and the locals (not soldiers) just hid in camouflage and picked them out- oh how the British complained.
Even in Northern Ireland, it took us a while to fight fire with fire then the terrorists complained to the press we were doing bad things to them. Yes a newspaper article stated we had beaten and tortured them yet 5 days previously they bombed a Manchester Mall killing women and children.
Certain things happened in Oman when the present day Sultan Qaboos was trying to over-throw his tyrant father in the early '70's. He did so with the help of British Special Forces. The biggest problem was the insurgents from the south- Salalah and Yemen. They captured one insurgent, slit his tendons and left him in the desert to be eaten alive by desert foxes. After that there were no more raids; the mentality that if eaten by an animal the spirit doesn't go to heaven worked. It may seen a bad thing to do but it was done on the advice of other Arabs.
I can go on but I won't as I still work as a safety & security consultant and travel a lot so it wouldn't be wise.
Some here will never understand what it's like to be under fire and fight back with hands tied because of ignorant people. Politicians will send us to war at the drop of a hat but fail to defend then when needed. It is best that you don't know what goes on and that our troops get the support they deserve.
We should never have gone into Iraq or Afghanistan but we should have gone ion to Zimbabwe to help those people but they don't have oil. We should go into Tibet and help the oppressed people but that would piss off the Chinese and that's not wise. Picking on the little guy is easy and that should stop as many good men get killed and sadly so do innocent civilians.
It started about US Presidents and has widely digressed. Probably best to get back there.
Great post and I do not disagree with anything that you said, except there was a reason to go there after 911, but we should have left that country a long time ago.
I also agree it was a good post.
I would add a few points:
1. HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS...... it worked once in our History...
Once in U.S. history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs' blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.
All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.
Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't make them flinch.
They welcome the chance to die for Allah. Like Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won't get to Muslim heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins) but instead will die with the hated pigs of the devil.
2. I don't believe fighting in Afghanistan can be stopped short of complete genicide, it seems inherent in their culture. I would go in take out the top warlords, and let them continue to fight among themselves. Every once in a while do some precision strikes to ensure a dictator does not emerge.
3. I would have several permanent bases in Iraq keeping about a US Division worth of troops, a long with port access and some good landing fields. And have prepositioned equipment ready to go, just add troops. Otherwise the country runs itself. The US had this in Europe for years and it worked well.
Not very politically correct but as I said earlier, the US should fight wars to win or not fight them. (Afghanistan is a special case)
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Urleft- agreed pointing a gun, bombing etc doesn't work with an ingrained mindset; in war we don't necessarily apply to our strength but target the enemies weaknesses. In Oman the dead insurgents were buried with Pig carcasses - that also worked. It was unknown to us until the Omani soldiers suggested it and it worked.
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Only a complete, certified nutter would vote for this man. If I was American I would be deeply concerned by this....
http://bit.ly/Y6zIuQ
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and this guy is trustworthy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE
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Just to even the score, here's another nutter....
http://tinyurl.com/bu7bue6
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Thank fcuk its only 4 days away.............I regret ever having started this thread
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I think I'll start a "What do you think about the election result?" thread next week.
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I think I'll start a "What do you think about the election result?" thread next week.
I hope its a draw - that will give us more to talk about.
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I think I'll start a "What do you think about the election result?" thread next week.
I hope its a draw - that will give us more to talk about.
Some kind of "shootout" maybe in order.
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I think I'll start a "What do you think about the election result?" thread next week.
I hope its a draw - that will give us more to talk about.
Some kind of "shootout" maybe in order.
What between IT & Urleft ? - I know where my money would be :D :D
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If the election is tied in the Electoral College, the House of Representatives gets to choose the President, and the Senate gets to choose the VP. As things stand, that would be Romney for POTUS, Biden for VP.
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When it come right down to it, only a few posters opinions really matter, those that can vote.
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When it come right down to it, only a few posters opinions really matter, those that can vote.
Wrong Keith, just because you are not eligible to vote does not mean you cannot have an opinion.
There is a world stage to consider as well as your own back-yard.
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When it come right down to it, only a few posters opinions really matter, those that can vote.
Wrong Keith, just because you are not eligible to vote does not mean you cannot have an opinion.
There is a world stage to consider as well as your own back-yard.
I did not say you cannot have a opinion. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want on any subject.
But the facts are that the world's peoples can have whatever opinion they want, but only the US Voters opinion decides the USA's presidential election.
But if your opinion sways any US Voters, more power to you.
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I'm for Odin!!!! crazydance crazydance crazydance
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When it come right down to it, only a few posters opinions really matter, those that can vote.
Wrong Keith, just because you are not eligible to vote does not mean you cannot have an opinion.
There is a world stage to consider as well as your own back-yard.
I did not say you cannot have a opinion. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want on any subject.
But the facts are that the world's peoples can have whatever opinion they want, but only the US Voters opinion decides the USA's presidential election.
But if your opinion sways any US Voters, more power to you.
And only about 35% of the potential voters really have any say; many states are a foregone conclusion. The popular vote counts for nothing.
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When it come right down to it, only a few posters opinions really matter, those that can vote.
Wrong Keith, just because you are not eligible to vote does not mean you cannot have an opinion.
There is a world stage to consider as well as your own back-yard.
I did not say you cannot have a opinion. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want on any subject.
But the facts are that the world's peoples can have whatever opinion they want, but only the US Voters opinion decides the USA's presidential election.
But if your opinion sways any US Voters, more power to you.
And only about 35% of the potential voters really have any say; many states are a foregone conclusion. The popular vote counts for nothing.
You are correct sir. The election will be determined by a couple of swing states, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia will probably determine who will be the next President. Most all of the rest of the states are either solidly for one candidate or the other. I live in Hawaii which is Democrat controlled and will go for Obama. The electoral college is what determines who will win the Presidency.
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One reason for the electorial college is that without it the main population centers would control the election outcome, so the cities (metropolitan areas) of LA and NY and other large cities could basically dictate to rural areas.
As an example, here is the county by county breakdown of who won the 2000 election where Bush got the electorial votes even though Gore won the populas:
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Democracy in action!
Maybe Thailand is not so different?
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Democracy in action!
Maybe Thailand is not so different?
Maybe not!!!
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One reason for the electorial college is that without it the main population centers would control the election outcome, so the cities (metropolitan areas) of LA and NY and other large cities could basically dictate to rural areas.
As an example, here is the county by county breakdown of who won the 2000 election where Bush got the electorial votes even though Gore won the populas:
If it went by the popular vote, it would actually be 'one man, one vote'. This would never do!
Britain is the same in effect. The drawing of constituency boundaries, quite apart from the fact that it is done by the party in power, almost inevitably gives one side an advantage. Of course, now that we have three major parties, it gets even more complicated.
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One reason for the electorial college is that without it the main population centers would control the election outcome, so the cities (metropolitan areas) of LA and NY and other large cities could basically dictate to rural areas.
As an example, here is the county by county breakdown of who won the 2000 election where Bush got the electorial votes even though Gore won the populas:
If it went by the popular vote, it would actually be 'one man, one vote'. This would never do!
Britain is the same in effect. The drawing of constituency boundaries, quite apart from the fact that it is done by the party in power, almost inevitably gives one side an advantage. Of course, now that we have three major parties, it gets even more complicated.
Maybe diluted to three MINOR parties ??
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Some of these people will be voting....
http://youtu.be/_mWtWz_aGyk
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Whoever wins it will be another warmongering liar.
Same as the one in power now,and his predecessor.
God help the world.
At least Italiantony is consistent.
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I can't speak for the Americans on this forum, but I do not believe there is any candidate worth voting for.
I did not vote for anyone, I voted against the candidate.
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I can't speak for the Americans on this forum, but I do not believe there is any candidate worth voting for.
I did not vote for anyone, I voted against the candidate.
I'm with you.
Neither candidate is really to my liking. But, it was a "lesser of two evil's" kinda' thing with me.
I decided to give my vote to Romney, only because I cringe at the thought of another term under O'bummy! Didn't want to wast a vote for another, and have it wind up a spoiler and thus helping B.O. So in that sense, I was really voting AGAINST B.O.
(May be a moot issue though. Living in Nevada, it's a real "wet dream" to imagine the state going "red"! At least I voted my conscience though, right? 555))
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Thank fcuk this is nearly over.............BUT this topic has certainly shown just how fickle some of our American forum members really are................
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Thank fcuk this is nearly over.............BUT this topic has certainly shown just how fickle some of our American forum members really are................
Don't worry Nookie as soon as this fiasco is over you can soon wind them up again ~~~~just mention US gun law, guaranteed to stir up a hornets nest! slapfight
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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Oh yeah, forgot....I also voted against O'bummy, 'cause he wants stricter gun laws. 5555
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Obama moving plans Put on hold for another four years! slapfight
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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It's official ~~~ Barack is coming to visit y'all
US President Barack Obama to visit Burma
Fresh from his election win, Barack Obama will this month become the first US president to visit Burma, the White House says.
He will meet opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi and President Thein Sein.
It is part of a three-leg tour from 17 to 20 November that will also take in Thailand and Cambodia.
The government of Burma has begun implementing economic, political and other reforms, a process the Obama administration sought to encourage.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was previously the most senior US official to go to Burma when she visited in December 2011.
Mr Obama's Burma stop is part of a trip built around the summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Cambodia.
In a statement, White House spokesman Jay Carney said Mr Obama intended to "speak to civil society to encourage Burma's ongoing democratic transition".
The BBC's David Bamford in London says the trip - Mr Obama's first foreign initiative since his re-election this week - reflects the importance that the US has placed on normalising relations with Burma.
This process has moved forward relatively swiftly, our correspondent adds, and it represents an opportunity for the US to have a greater stake in the region and so at least partly counter the dominant influence of China.
The US has appointed a full ambassador to Burma and suspended sanctions to reward the country for releasing political prisoners and for the election of Nobel laureate Ms Aung San Suu Kyi to parliament.
America is also set to ease its import ban on goods from Burma, a key part of remaining US sanctions.
Human rights groups are likely to criticise Mr Obama's visit as premature, given that the ruling government has failed to prevent outbreaks of communal violence in the west of the country.
Reforms have been taking place in Burma since elections in November 2010 saw military rule replaced with a military backed nominally civilian government.
Since the country began its reforms, the international community has increasingly looked to invest in Burma, which the International Monetary Fund says is one of the poorest countries in Asia.
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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Thank fcuk this is nearly over.............BUT this topic has certainly shown just how fickle some of our American forum members really are................
Don't worry Nookie as soon as this fiasco is over you can soon wind them up again ~~~~just mention US gun law, guaranteed to stir up a hornets nest! slapfight
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
David ,do you think I'm a shit stirrer???
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Thank fcuk this is nearly over.............BUT this topic has certainly shown just how fickle some of our American forum members really are................
Don't worry Nookie as soon as this fiasco is over you can soon wind them up again ~~~~just mention US gun law, guaranteed to stir up a hornets nest! slapfight
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
David ,do you think I'm a shit stirrer???
Yes! buttslap
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It is part of a three-leg tour from 17 to 20 November that will also take in Thailand and Cambodia.
Think Thailand is the middle leg! whistle
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It is part of a three-leg tour from 17 to 20 November that will also take in Thailand and Cambodia.
Think Thailand is the middle leg! whistle
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGlv9jSBA8s&feature=player_embedded
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I see that the next president has already been decided :-
Clinton asked the monk why there was a Reclining Buddha statue and she was told that it was a symbol of peace and success. The monk then told Obama that if the US allowed him to be re-elected for a third term, he would win the election because he has paid homage to the reclining Buddha. Obama said he did not want to be re-elected for a third term as he wanted to raise his children and pointed to Mrs Clinton and said she would be the next president. All burst out in laughter.
Source http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Temple-tour-marked-by-humour-respect-interest-in-B-30194580.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unqbeR54dTQ
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I can't speak for the Americans on this forum, but I do not believe there is any candidate worth voting for.
I did not vote for anyone, I voted against the candidate.
I'm with you.
Neither candidate is really to my liking. But, it was a "lesser of two evil's" kinda' thing with me.
I decided to give my vote to Romney, only because I cringe at the thought of another term under O'bummy! Didn't want to wast a vote for another, and have it wind up a spoiler and thus helping B.O. So in that sense, I was really voting AGAINST B.O.
(May be a moot issue though. Living in Nevada, it's a real "wet dream" to imagine the state going "red"! At least I voted my conscience though, right? 555))
I can't speak for the Americans on this forum, but I do not believe there is any candidate worth voting for.
I did not vote for anyone, I voted against the candidate.
I disagree. From what you write, you did not vote your conscience. You voted for somebody you did not want elected. Is that what your conscience tells you to do? The "lesser of two evils" is still evil. I have been a Republican since I was 11 years old and ran around town hanging up "I Like Ike" posters. The only person whom I ever voted for who actually became president was Bill Clinton in his second term. Among my write-in votes have been George Romney (1968), Elliot Richardson (1972), Colin Powell (2004), Hilary Clinton (2008), John McCain (2000). If enough people actually voted their consciences, then elected officials would actually have to be accountable for what they say and what they do after they are elected. What would happen to the electoral process if the winning candidate received <35% of the vote.
Campaign directors, the people who actually manage presidential campaigns, are usually non-partisan. They could work for one party this year and another in the next election. When I worked the Ford campaign in my home state I had to attend a seminar where it was explained to me that they focus their primary resources in a campaign in the following way:
they consider that there are three voters. Pro-candidate, Con-candidate, and Independents. The Pros are a lock. Very little likelihood they will change once they have made up their minds. The Cons are about the same, although some may be changed through the Indies strategy. Generally, they are a write off. The Indie strategy is not to try to win the independents over (hardly ever happens) but to scare them away from the other candidate. Some exciting examples of that were the Daisy Girl commercial used against Goldwater, the Willie Horton ad against Dukakis, Bush’s panic about terrorism, Romney about exporting jobs to China, and all campaigns up to 1992, especially Republican and Dixiecrat, propagating the fear of spreading world communism. After that, liberalism and sensitivity became America's chief enemies with occasional threats of international terrorism thrown in to fatten the kitty. That’s why the U.S. government, in fact all the federal governments of the Anglo-American Empire, are all screwed up. Because the people elect the candidates they fear the least rather than the ones they need the most.
Next time, really vote your conscience. If you think you should be President, then write in your own name. And don't let anybody tell you that you are wasting your vote. The only wasted votes are those cast for someone you don't want to hold office.