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Buriram Province - General Category => International News clippings => Topic started by: TBWG on October 05, 2012, 09:12:35 PM
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Abu Hamza to be extradited to US thumbup
Five suspected terrorists including Abu Hamza al-Masri can be extradited to the US, ending a long legal battle, UK High Court judges have ruled.
The radical cleric, Babar Ahmad, Syed Talha Ahsan, Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled al-Fawwaz failed to show "new and compelling" reasons not to send them.
Their appeal came after the European Court of Human Rights backed successive UK courts in ruling for extradition.
The Home Office has said it wants to deport them "as quickly as possible".
Judges Sir John Thomas and Mr Justice Ousley said in their ruling there was an "overwhelming public interest in the functioning of the extradition system" and that there was "no appeal from our decision".
Of Abu Hamza, whose lawyers argued he may not be fit to face trial on medical grounds, they said: "The sooner he is put on trial the better"
Oh Dear, what a shame, never mind!
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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Tell him to sling his hook! thumbup thumbup thumbup
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Five terror suspects including Abu Hamza al-Masri have left jail to begin extradition to the US after losing the last appeal in a long legal battle.
The High Court ruled Hamza, Babar Ahmad, Syed Talha Ahsan, Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled al-Fawwaz did not show "new and compelling" reasons to stay.
The men left Long Lartin prison in Worcestershire in a police convoy.
Officers from the Metropolitan Police's extradition unit will hand them over US marshals at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk.
The BBC understands a US Department of Justice-owned civilian Gulfstream jet has been on the tarmac at the base since Tuesday, having flown in from Washington that day.
A second civilian plane, a Dassault Falcon 900, flew into the airbase in the early hours of this morning from Westchester County in New York state, but close to the border with Connecticut, where Babar Ahmad and Syed Talha Ahsan are expected to be tried.
Three police 4x4s, two armoured vans and a blacked-out police people carrier left the jail at 19:15 BST.
A Home Office spokesman welcomed the decision and said it was "working to extradite these men as quickly as possible".
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Good Riddance to the piles of shite
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B.B.C. NEWS
Five terror suspects, including the radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, have flown out of the UK on a jet bound for the United States.
Officers from Scotland Yard's extradition unit handed the men to US marshals at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk.
A police convoy brought the suspects from Long Lartin prison in Worcestershire to Suffolk at 19:15 BST.
High Court judges earlier dismissed the men's final appeal against extradition to the US to face terror charges.
They said the five men, Abu Hamza, Babar Ahmad, Syed Talha Ahsan, Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled al-Fawwaz, did not show "new and compelling" reasons to stay in the UK.
In a statement, Home Secretary Theresa May said she was pleased that the court decision meant "these men, who used every available opportunity to frustrate and delay the extradition process over many years, could finally be removed".
She said: "This government has co-operated fully with the courts and pressed at every stage to ensure this happened.
"It is right that these men, who are all accused of very serious offences, will finally face justice."
Abu Hamza faces 11 charges in the US relating to hostage taking, conspiracy to establish a militant training camp and calling for holy war in Afghanistan.
Once he lands he is set to appear in front of a judge within 24 hours in an open hearing.
Abu Hamza will be in court, however a lawyer who handles these kinds of cases told the BBC that the radical cleric is unlikely to say anything.
'No appeal'
He is expected to be held at the Metropolitan Correction Centre in New York in an area reserved for high-profile prisoners.
A pre-trial hearing is likely to take place within about three weeks. The actual trial, which should take place in a public courtroom, could take between one and three years.
A US District Court hearing has been scheduled for Mr Ahmad and Mr Ahsan in Connecticut later, according to officials.
The two men, who are aboard one of the planes, are reportedly heading to the state where an internet service provider was allegedly used to host one of the websites.
Abu Hamza The trial of terror suspect Abu Hamza could take up to three years
The BBC understands a US Department of Justice-owned Gulfstream jet had been on the tarmac at the base since Tuesday, having flown in from Washington.
A second civilian plane, a Dassault Falcon 900, flew into the airbase in the early hours of Friday morning from Westchester County in New York state.
The High Court ruling on Friday afternoon brought to an end a long-running legal battle. The men's extradition requests were submitted between 1998 and 2006, between eight and 14 years ago.
The suspects final appeal came after the European Court of Human Rights agreed with successive UK courts, that they should face extradition.
Judges Sir John Thomas and Mr Justice Ousley said in their ruling that there was an "overwhelming public interest in the functioning of the extradition system" and that there was "no appeal from our decision".
Sir John added that there was little doubt each man had, over the years, "either taken or had the opportunity to take every conceivable point to prevent his extradition to the United States".
Their written ruling, read out in court, concluded that "each of the claimants' applications for permission to apply for judicial review or for a reopening of the statutory appeals be dismissed"
My opinion is if they are guilty they deserve to be punished ,but if they are innocent they deserve FREEDOM.
Point is will they receive any justice in America,i think everyone as already labelled them guilty.
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In the Quran it is written that ,"Life is hard", so now the prophet is giving his followers advice that they will see is true.
It is sad they did not read the part in the Quran that says "Jesus was a lesser prophet and his followers are people of the book". All good Muslims are required to protect followers of the book.
Now these scum will finally see the error of their ways. They do not enjoy their prophets support.
Nor ours.
JT sawadi
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In the Quran it is written that ,"Life is hard", so now the prophet is giving his followers advice that they will see is true.
It is sad they did not read the part in the Quran that says "Jesus was a lesser prophet and his followers are people of the book". All good Muslims are required to protect followers of the book.
Now these scum will finally see the error of their ways. They do not enjoy their prophets support.
Nor ours.
JT sawadi
Why call them scum when they haven't been found guilty of anything.
Most of them have spent more than 5 years in British prisons without charge.
From Wikipedia.
Babar Ahmad was first arrested at his Tooting home on 2 December 2003 by UK anti-terrorist police of 1 Unit 1 Area Territorial Support Group based at the high security Paddington Green Police Station. By the time he arrived in the custody suite of the police station, he had sustained at least 73 injuries, all later documented by both police and independent doctors, as well as in photographic and video evidence.
On 18 March 2009, Babar Ahmad was awarded £60,000 compensation at the High Court in London after the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson admitted that he had been the victim of a "serious, gratuitous and prolonged attack".
Now you tell me who are the scum?
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Why call them scum when they haven't been found guilty of anything.
Most of them have spent more than 5 years in British prisons without charge.
From Wikipedia.
Babar Ahmad was first arrested at his Tooting home on 2 December 2003 by UK anti-terrorist police of 1 Unit 1 Area Territorial Support Group based at the high security Paddington Green Police Station. By the time he arrived in the custody suite of the police station, he had sustained at least 73 injuries, all later documented by both police and independent doctors, as well as in photographic and video evidence.
On 18 March 2009, Babar Ahmad was awarded £60,000 compensation at the High Court in London after the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson admitted that he had been the victim of a "serious, gratuitous and prolonged attack".
Now you tell me who are the scum?
Tony
Error are made and people should get a fair trail, I agree with you but what has Babar Ahmads misfortune got to do with the radical preacher in question other than they may believe the same fairy stories?????
England has been far to soft on him as he has been en sighting voilence for decades irespective of his race,colour or creed.
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He was kept in prison because he was deemed a threat to security. He openly incited threats against people and the state.
As ex-pats in Thailand what syphathy would you expect if you made such comments against Thailand and the head of state?
It has nothing to do with race or religion, anyone who is a threat to a peaceful society should be locked up.
He has abused the legal system in that his Muslim lawyers, paid by the state legal aid, have made millions out of this and some of that money has been donated to illegal organizations.
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Tony
Error are made and people should get a fair trail, I agree with you but what has Babar Ahmads misfortune got to do with the radical preacher in question other than they may believe the same fairy stories?????
England has been far to soft on him as he has been en sighting voilence for decades irespective of his race,colour or creed.
Interesting you use the word MISFORTUNE.
As for mentioning Babar Ahmads he is simply one of the 5 SUSPECTS that has been extradited.
Babar is the one i feel sorry for the most if convicted sorry when convicted he will be sent to Florance Colorado Super Max Prison.
He will spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement.
As for Abu Hamza he will spend little or no time whatsoever in a Super Max Prison because of his disabilities.
In August 2004 Babar was re-arrested in London and taken to prison pursuant to an extradition request from the US under the controversial, NO-EVIDENCE-REQUIRED, Extradition Act 2003. The US has ALLEGED that in the 1990s Babar was a supporter of “terrorism”. Babar denies any involvement in terrorism. He has now been in prison for over 8 years even though he has not been charged in the UK.
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Tony, if you feel sorry for people like that, with their ideology, their motives and their intent then why not move to the South?
Personally I would have preferred that they were set free and then let nature take its course, let the people deal with them.
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He was kept in prison because he was deemed a threat to security. He openly incited threats against people and the state.
As ex-pats in Thailand what syphathy would you expect if you made such comments against Thailand and the head of state?
It has nothing to do with race or religion, anyone who is a threat to a peaceful society should be locked up.
He has abused the legal system in that his Muslim lawyers, paid by the state legal aid, have made millions out of this and some of that money has been donated to illegal organizations.
He has abused the legal system in that his Muslim lawyers, paid by the state legal aid, have made millions out of this and some of that money has been donated to illegal organizations.
May i ask where this information came from,or is this simply speculation.
Anyone who is a threat to a peaceful society should be locked up.
Are you suggesting to lock the American and British governments up,because they are most certainly a threat to peaceful society.
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Tony, if you feel sorry for people like that, with their ideology, their motives and their intent then why not move to the South?
Personally I would have preferred that they were set free and then let nature take its course, let the people deal with them.
Their motives are clear they all say they are innocent.
Until proven guilty which i assume they will be,but until then they all remain innocent.
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Tony, we are dealing with terrorism not traffic of fences.
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Tony, we are dealing with terrorism not traffic of fences.
So lets make sure that people RESPONSIBLE are ARRESTED CHARGED and CONVICTED but only the people RESPONSIBLE.
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Tony, if you walked down a street and a complete stranger shouted abuse at you, your country, your beliefs a threatened you, would you just walk away or repot it to the police!
I would suggest after you (or any normal person) has reported it they would still feel threatened.
The accused were held in remand for good and legal reasons.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/2/contents
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Tony, if you walked down a street and a complete stranger shouted abuse at you, your country, your beliefs a threatened you, would you just walk away or repot it to the police!
I would suggest after you (or any normal person) has reported it they would still feel threatened.
The accused were held in remand for good and legal reasons.
Tony, if you walked down a street and a complete stranger shouted abuse at you, your country, your beliefs and threatened you, would you just walk away or repot it to the police!
Answer=No i would not report it to the police,if someone abused me or my family or threatened me i would deal with it myself.As for abusing my country i couldn't careless.
I would suggest after you (or any normal person) has reported it they would still feel threatened.
No i wouldn't report it or feel threatened.
The accused were held in remand for good and legal reasons.
You can only be held on remand once you have been charged and appeared at a magistrates court.
These men were held in custody without charge under the the controversial NO-EVIDENCE-REQUIRED, Extradition Act of 2003.
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Tony, everyone is different. Some would report it to the police, some would deal with it. I would do the latter and put him in hospital.
The prevention of terrorism act is quite long and detailed but it was amended so that the accused could be held without charge until further or more detailed evidence could be gained or there was a likelihood or re-offending or being a risk to the country or himself. In terrorism cases the evidence does not have to be made public for reasons I would suggest would be obvious.
He and they were held for good reasons as previously out on bail they, or some made contact with illegal organisations.
Personally, I would support any government in any country I've lived in to do what they think best to protect its citizens and visitors.
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Tony, everyone is different. Some would report it to the police, some would deal with it. I would do the latter and put him in hospital.
The prevention of terrorism act is quite long and detailed but it was amended so that the accused could be held without charge until further or more detailed evidence could be gained or there was a likelihood or re-offending or being a risk to the country or himself. In terrorism cases the evidence does not have to be made public for reasons I would suggest would be obvious.
He and they were held for good reasons as previously out on bail they, or some made contact with illegal organisations.
Personally, I would support any government in any country I've lived in to do what they think best to protect its citizens and visitors.
Yes i agree with the vast percentage of your post,especially the part about the hospital. thumbup
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I don't know what they were complaining, they will get good medical treatment in USA, good food as well, pork chops, bacon sandwhiches etc.
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Big mac, super jumbo coke and more...... :o
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The bill....
http://tinyurl.com/9d8e6hz
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AGGHHHHH!!!! loco Makes my blood boil!!!
Let's hope the yanks aren't stupid enough to pander to this *********** demands. Unlike us. Would they like his scrounging family as well?
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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Hopefully his family will move to the USA to be near him. redman cheergirl party11
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Hopefully his family will move to the USA to be near him. redman cheergirl party11
and then all his followers
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Hopefully his family will move to the USA to be near him. redman cheergirl party11
and then all his followers
Followers of what Nobby Islam.
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Tony, followers of him. He had his own followers in Finsbury and many other Muslins distanced themselves from him.
There was a time when we'd send trouble makes and miss-fits to Australia, in fact I think we still do.
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Your last post Jamaw is somewhat misleading.
You say you have nothing against God,just the people that follow God.
Sorry i am somewhat confused.
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Nobby?
God made man, it was man that made religion!
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Nobby?
God made man, it was man that made religion!
Apologies Jamaw.
Very true and then religion made war.
What a sad and twisted world we live in.
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Agreed.
I was brought up in Glasgow where I experienced varied sectarianism. I've worked and lived in 10 Arabic countries for 11 years. I've been to Jerusalem and seen what religion does to normal people.
I totally respect the right of anyone in any religion but it seems each and one don't respect each other or indeed the right to be an Athiest.
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Agreed.
I was brought up in Glasgow where I experienced varied sectarianism. I've worked and lived in 10 Arabic countries for 11 years. I've been to Jerusalem and seen what religion does to normal people.
I totally respect the right of anyone in any religion but it seems each and one don't respect each other or indeed the right to be an Athiest.
I agree implicitly with your statement concerning the fundamentals of religion.
However i find the attachment somewhat disturbing,but i am sure in was intended in a lighthearted manner. thumbup
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Worth a thought...
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GO, MICHIGAN STATE !
Very interesting -- the University is standing by their professor and not bowing down to special interest groups!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.asp
Professor Wichman E-mail
Claim: A Michigan professor sent an e-mail telling Muslim students to leave the country.
Status: True.
The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical engineering professor named Indred Wichman.
Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association.
The e-mail was in response to the students' protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist.
The group had complained the cartoons were 'hate speech.'
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Enter Professor Wichman.
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In his e-mail, he said the following:
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Dear Muslim Association,
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to protest your protest.
I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called 'whores' in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris France.
This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my colleagues. I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Muslims to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile 'protests.'
If you do not like the values of the West - see the First Amendment - you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option.
Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.
Cordially,
I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering
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As you can imagine,
The Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well.
They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded, that the university impose mandatory diversity training for faculty,
And mandate a seminar on hate and discrimination for all freshmen.
Now, the local chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray.
CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor
Had the right to express his opinion.
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For its part, the university is standing its ground in support of Professor Wichman,
Saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks.
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Send this to your friends, and ask them to do the same.
Tell them to keep passing it around until the whole country gets it.
We are in a war.
This political correctness crap is getting old and killing us.
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TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.asp
No wont be sending it to anyone.
So tired of listening to western ideologies.
Try reading this you might learn something about Islam.
www.dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html
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The Koran is a made up ficticious book of evil.
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http://youtu.be/PaJelU29jeI
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The Koran is a made up ficticious book of evil.
Absolute rubbish.
Have you read it ?
If you haven't then your statement is unjustified and irrelevant.
If you have then you need to read it again.
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Should this post digress and we end up discussing religion, there can only be one winner and that is one who deals in facts; facts, realsm and science are the traditional enemies of religion, some more than others.
Best leave it at that.
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http://youtu.be/PaJelU29jeI
We should be offended when certain governments illegally invade and destroy of countries for greed.
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Should this post digress and we end up discussing religion, there can only be one winner and that is one who deals in facts; facts, realsm and science are the traditional enemies of religion, some more than others.
Best leave it at that.
So you haven't read it but you know it's evil,why because someone told you so.
As you say FACTS not fabrication absolutely unbelievable.
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Tony, I totally 100% agree with you on that but it has nothing to do with religion. The biggest killer of Muslims is other Muslims. During my tenure in Arabic countries I experienced hatred with venom, not against the West but Shia and Sunni, as one who was brought up in Glasgow i can tell you this makes the Protestant V Catholic thing puppy food.
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Hi IT
No I won't be reading the Koran same as I do not read the bible (even tho I have copies of both).
I do not need a book to tell me the difference between right and wrong and how to be a good person.
What I object to is people manipulating religion to justify all manner of perverted extreme beliefs. I wonder what Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha et al would think if they could see how their original intentions have been distorted.
I suspect they would be mortified.
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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Tony I have read the Koran and the bible, both made up if fictitious hearsay and unbelievable stories. Mohammed flew from Saudi to Jerusalem and back in a few hours, yes flew! I could go in and I can easily bury you but I don't want to do that as I know you're not that well informed.
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RWGB those are good comments and yes I believe good men would be shocked at the murder, rape and indoctrination done in their names.
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Tony I have read the Koran and the bible, both made up if fictitious hearsay and unbelievable stories. Mohammed flew from Saudi to Jerusalem and back in a few hours, yes flew! I could go in and I can easily bury you but I don't want to do that as I know you're not that well informed.
Don't forget your shovel.
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Tony, we either have a debate or an argument ( I can define the difference if you like) but to respond as you did deflects away from the subject matter in such a manner that you have dried up of factual content to respond.
I've got loads of factual information that will not in,y challenge you but contradict your comments. Keep coming.
I will never disrespect the views or beliefs of others but I will only state facts.
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Tony, we either have a debate or an argument ( I can define the difference if you like) but to respond as you did deflects away from the subject matter in such a manner that you have dried up of factual content to respond.
I've got loads of factual information that will not in,y challenge you but contradict your comments. Keep coming.
I will never disrespect the views or beliefs of others but I will only state facts.
I simply responded to what you said.
I can easily bury you.
Dream on.
I will never disrespect the views or beliefs of others but I will only state facts.
You also said the Quran was evil,that's not a fact that's an opinion.
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Tony, with all due respect, if that's what you define as a response you need to pay more for your medication.
A response, by definition, relates to the subject matter and either elaborates, or contributes to define in more detail; it is therefore not recognized as a valid response as it does not contribute anything of any value to the debate.
Keep trying, I'm happy to help you.
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Maybe we could meet up and discuss it over a beer together,i would very much like that.
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Discuss what tony? The Koran, bible or both!
I plan to visit Buriram soon and try out some of the places mentioned here so why not.
I will be going away quite a bit though as I still visit many countries on a consultancy basis. Next week is ok to 13th then I'm away until November 30th. I get short-notice contracts.
Happy to meet anyone.
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Discuss what tony? The Koran, bible or both!
I plan to visit Buriram soon and try out some of the places mentioned here so why not.
I will be going away quite a bit though as I still visit many countries on a consultancy basis. Next week is ok to 13th then I'm away until November 30th. I get short-notice contracts.
Happy to meet anyone.
Will advise on the dates.
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Let us know how the "date" goes boys!