Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: toffo on January 10, 2012, 10:51:10 AM
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This is my situation as of now...Im on a double entry and this is my last extension of it for 1 month that runs out on jan 19th... Im getting married this week and have the Affirmation letter and also letter of more than 40k income.... I live in Buriram and korat is my local immigration office... What do i do now and do i have the correct paperwork to go there and either get a NON O or an extension for 1 year? Kind regards David
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This is a reply from another forum what i want to know is will i be sent to bangkok for my visa or will Korat do it for me there??
You need the letter translated into Thai and registered at MFA first. You then visit any District Office and register your marriage. You then visit immigration with marriage certificate and the ledger entry copy they provide to obtain non immigrant O entry (they will likely send you to Bangkok for this) and during the last 30 days of entry visit local office with the normal file of copies/photos and such for one year extension of stay. If easier you can take marriage certificate/copy of wife ID card (she needs new one after marriage) and her home register to Savannakhet to obtain the non immigrant O visa there. The financial paperwork would not be required and will probably be too old if you try to use for extension 60 days later.
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Cut and pasted from SurinFarang, hope it helps
Translated Immigration instructions re Visa Ext based on marriage
Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage / Documents needed:
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Application form T.M. 7 with one photograph size 4x6 cm.
Visa Fee 1900.-Baht
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Copy of passport ( with certified true copy ) 2 copy
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Marriage Certificate 2 copy (Copy of marriage registration Papers (Kor Ror.3)
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(Tabian Ban)Wife's house registration 2 copy
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Wife's identity card 2 copy
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Bank guarantee letter, signed by the bank manager, pick it up in the bank 1 day before
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An updated Bank Book (updated on the same day as the bank guarantee paper),
Showing more than 400.000 (more than 3 month).
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Evidence of the male farangs monthly income of 40,000 Baht.
Embassy letter if originating outside Thailand.
Tax receipts if from within Thailand.
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Photos x 3: Include you and your wife in front of the house, then 2 others in/around your house. Bring photos from your wedding as well, it may also be good.
PLUS MAP OF THE HOUSE ADDRESS.( Hand draw,not google map )
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Copy of photo page, visa page and entry/permit to stay stamp page.
Add copy of TM6 departure card. (1 copy is enough) Just sign each copy that is what certification means.
3 to 5 Wife signs all of these and you also sign marriage certificate (it has your name on it).
(only one copy needed)
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Need copies of bank book pages also signed. Best to get an update on the day you go to immigration.
Advice:
*Bring all originals you have with you just in case the officer would like to see them as well.
*The wife had to fill in 'back-up' papers in THAI
PS I would go one week early and you will have to return Korat in 30 days to get your passport stamped,then every 90 days to Immigration to hand in your TH 47 .
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Why do i have to go evey 90 days... Its a 1 year visit to immigration everyear i want not a 90 day turnaround every 3 months
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Toffo - the 90 day visits to immigration are to notify them of your address in Thailand. This can be done also at Chong Chom, if that is nearer for you
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The advice you got from the other forum in post 2 is accurate ....Take it smilenod
IE..If easier you can take marriage certificate/copy of wife ID card (she needs new one after marriage) and her home register to Savannakhet to obtain the non immigrant O visa there.
The 3 month visa from Laos will give you enough time to sort out an extension based on marriage at the Local Immigration
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Savannakhet will issue a multi entry visa. Timed right you can get 15 months stay, border crossing every 90 days. No proof of money in bank or income needed. Cost of visa 5000baht.
After the last permission to stay has expired take marriage cert, passport, wife's ID card and blue house book to Khorat Immigration for a further 60 days for 1900baht.
Total stay 17 months on one visa.
Living so close to a border crossing this option can be quite convenient.
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Savannakhet will issue a multi entry visa. Timed right you can get 15 months stay, border crossing every 90 days. No proof of money in bank or income needed. Cost of visa 5000baht.
After the last permission to stay has expired take marriage cert, passport, wife's ID card and blue house book to Khorat Immigration for a further 60 days for 1900baht.
Total stay 17 months on one visa.
Living so close to a border crossing this option can be quite convenient.
Doing it your way Starman will mean multi border cross and added costs ( transport to border ,Visa fee's and back handers ect X 4= maybe 15-20k ) .If you plan to live full time in Thailand Toffo far better to get the 3 month visa( 2000 Baht) and and then get a visa extension for one year ( 1900 Baht ) and then just do 90 reports at the local Immigration.
That is as long as you can prove you have money enough to stay,if you are here living with small funds then Starman's way is a good option to stay if you are married (
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Not quite sure what you mean by back handers but never mind.
It all depends on ones own circumstances. Transport to border is neither here nor there as one would have to go to either the border or Khorat every 90 days anyway. Also having to go twice for the extension as the first time you only get an "under consideration" stamp.
It would cost, for visas only, 12500baht for a 17 months stay( cheaper if you apply for a Cambodian Evisa).A multi also enables you to go out of Thailand any time you want without needing a re entry permit.
If you take into account all of those things plus the costs of keeping 400k in the bank earning bugger all, or the cost of proof of income from embassy in Bangkok, then there is probably not a great deal of difference.
I was, after all, only offering and option. I know quite a few people that do it this way as an extension based on marriage is becoming more difficult to get.
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Already have the letter stating i earn more than 40k per month from Embassy... Dont wanna do the 90 day visas i want the 1 year visit to korat so it looks like ill have to go to savannakhet first get a non O then visit korat for 1 year extension... Thanks for all the info
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Anyone have an idea of the time it takes to travel from buriram city to savann in a car?
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I was, after all, only offering and option. I know quite a few people that do it this way as an extension based on marriage is becoming more difficult to get.
We all here to help Starman and to offer options ,don't take it personally if someone offers different information to you but if you had read the OP you would have seen Toffo has his letter from Embassy already and just wanted information for the best way to extend his visa at Korat.
I don't know what you mean by saying "extension based on marriage is becoming more difficult to get". Its been the same for many years now apart from now you have to draw a map of where you live and have a few photo's of you and the Mr's around the home.Even most ex-pats with low IQ's can surely do this ...LOL
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Welsh.. When i get this NON O can i go to korat and get the extension anytime with that visa or do i have to wait til that visa runs out to get the extension for marriage??? Thanks in Advance
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Anyone have an idea of the time it takes to travel from buriram city to savann in a car?
http://www.buriramexpats.com/visa-run/
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Welsh.. When i get this NON O can i go to korat and get the extension anytime with that visa or do i have to wait til that visa runs out to get the extension for marriage??? Thanks in Advance
Its normal to go to Korat 1 week before your 3 month NoN O Visa runs out.They will then stamp your passport for one month whilst the paper work is sent to Bangkok.You then go back after a month to get the one year stamp in your passport.The one year will run from when you 3 month O visa finishes....Hope this helps ..WW
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So can i go to korat first and then they send it off to bangkok to change it into a non o or do i have to go to savann first.... My Extension runs out 19th this month... cheers WW
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So can i go to korat first and then they send it off to bangkok to change it into a non o or do i have to go to savann first.... My Extension runs out 19th this month... cheers WW
Right... first you have to convert your tourist visa to a Non-O so it can be extended for marriage purposes.So you have to go to Savannakhet before the 19th of this month after you are married.Once you have your 3 month Non O you can then apply for an extension based on married.This is done as my previous post.They then stamp your passport for one month and you go back to Korat to get your 1 year stamp in your passport on that date.
What are your map drawing skill like Toffo....LOL
A bit more info... http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/524800-marriage-visa/
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Haha Im an x soldier so map reading is easy lolol
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Haha Im an x soldier so map reading is easy lolol
Hows your drawing though, as thats what he asked! Is it as good as your reading???
(Sorry,Mate, couldn't resist)
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My drawing is shite chairhit its the driving on the roads that pisses me off... Just got back from bangkok and im super tired ffs bike038
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Not quite sure what you mean by back handers but never mind.
It all depends on ones own circumstances. Transport to border is neither here nor there as one would have to go to either the border or Khorat every 90 days anyway. Also having to go twice for the extension as the first time you only get an "under consideration" stamp.
It would cost, for visas only, 12500baht for a 17 months stay( cheaper if you apply for a Cambodian Evisa).A multi also enables you to go out of Thailand any time you want without needing a re entry permit.
If you take into account all of those things plus the costs of keeping 400k in the bank earning bugger all, or the cost of proof of income from embassy in Bangkok, then there is probably not a great deal of difference.
I was, after all, only offering and option. I know quite a few people that do it this way as an extension based on marriage is becoming more difficult to get.
Starman,
I think he talking about the guys who want to fill out your forms or so called VIP treatment some officers try to sell you, basically waiting in line for you or jumping the que to get your visa stamped then taking you through the same bollocks to get you stamped in again, 7 years ago I fell for this the first time, but the second which was a month later the same guy who amazingly remembered my name asked if I wanted the service and feeling a bit skint and looking at the que of tourists I said no thanks then he began to try and negotiate the price, thats when it dawned on me I only need to pay at the booth for the stamps, but to be honest when a border guy with a gun is asking for money you do (or I did) think it was legit.
Thats the only ones I can think of.
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I was, after all, only offering and option. I know quite a few people that do it this way as an extension based on marriage is becoming more difficult to get.
We all here to help Starman and to offer options ,don't take it personally if someone offers different information to you but if you had read the OP you would have seen Toffo has his letter from Embassy already and just wanted information for the best way to extend his visa at Korat.
I don't know what you mean by saying "extension based on marriage is becoming more difficult to get". Its been the same for many years now apart from now you have to draw a map of where you live and have a few photo's of you and the Mr's around the home.Even most ex-pats with low IQ's can surely do this ...LOL
Not so many years ago you needed only 250 000 in the bank the day before you extended. You only needed passport, bank book, marriage visa and passport photo. Extensions were given on the spot. No need to send to Bangkok.
There is one Imm office, I think it is Pitsanulok, that now ask for a neighbour to varify the family photos. There is another office that insist on a home visit before extension can be given. They do not say when they are coming. If you happen to be out when they turn up then extension is refused.
Imagine if during the next Immigration merry go round that Chief is the next head guy at Khorat. That is why I said it is getting more difficult.
Toffo.......You do not need to go to Savannakhet to "convert" your visa from tourist to Non O. In actual fact you no longer have a visa. You have an extension of stay based on tourism.
When you have all of your documents together you can convert your current extension of stay to a Non O visa at immigration. You may, however, need to go to Bangkok to do this (phone Khorat 044 492 903 to ask if they will do it for you).
I think you have to wait until the last 14 days of your current extesnion of stay so you can do it now.
You will receive a 90 day Non O stamp(2000 baht) That can then be extended to 1 year within the last 30 days of stay.
That save you the 1500baht fee for a visa to enter Laos.
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Not so many years ago you needed only 250 000 in the bank the day before you extended. You only needed passport, bank book, marriage visa and passport photo. Extensions were given on the spot. No need to send to Bangkok.
There is one Imm office, I think it is Pitsanulok, that now ask for a neighbour to varify the family photos. There is another office that insist on a home visit before extension can be given. They do not say when they are coming. If you happen to be out when they turn up then extension is refused.
Imagine if during the next Immigration merry go round that Chief is the next head guy at Khorat. That is why I said it is getting more difficult.
In July 2004 the Immigration law changed from 200k deposited in a Thai bank account to 400K ( never been 250k as far as I know ) to meet the requirements for an extension based on marriage.This was done because there was far to many short-term, co-operative loans between friends, a practice of which the Thai authorities disapproved of .( a practice that still goes on and there is even people that Advertise on TV that offer this service )
The others things you have mentioned are not the norm and are only done when the Immigration feel that the applicant may not be telling the whole truth,( which is their right )
Many guys come here with money in the bank but end up spending more money than they bargained for on keeping their trophy wife happy because their wife's insist on having new cars,big screen TV's and all the other thing families of farangs are supposed to have .They then have to do multi visa runs because their money has diminished and they can't meet the requirements.
Immigration laws change and that's life,so we better get used to it. smilenod
PS..Toffo...as the TV link that I posted and Starman repeated you can change from a Tourist visa to a Non O but be prepared for some fun at the BKK Immagration,so keep your cool cool1
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My first extension based on marriage was 250000 in the bank. That was a few years ago now.
My mate had a visit from Immigration in Sukothai. It was his 7th extension in a row so hardly an excuse for Immigration to disbelieve him. Lukily he was in at the right time.
Welsh you are correct that the rule changes are because people abuse the system but please dont make an assumption that changes are because immigration dont believe. There have been many instances lately of "changes" when in actual fact it is nothing more than a new officer enforcing an old rule.
I remember years back when the Kap Cheong office was a pokey little shop front. Run by police. They didnt have a clue. Then it changed over to full blown Immigration and all hell broke loose.
I too think that things will only get more difficult in the future.
If you are over 50 go the retirement route. It is far easier
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There are a few people I know who have money but choose the multi route just because it is convenient. These people travel a couple of times a year so no need to fork out for re entry permit.
Welsh.....I would take care with your commas and inverted commas. People may start to think you are someone else. whistle
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My first extension based on marriage was 250000 in the bank. That was a few years ago now.
Like I say I remember it was 200k and then going up to 400k but if you say you had to show 250k ,I believe you .Maybe they had a transitional period ???
My mate had a visit from Immigration in Sukothai. It was his 7th extension in a row so hardly an excuse for Immigration to disbelieve him. Lukily he was in at the right time.
Immigration probably fancied a day out and though they may be a free beer.... :laugh:
I had the Police come round about 7 years ago,I think they were doing some sort of census on Westerners living in the area'.
Welsh you are correct that the rule changes are because people abuse the system but please dont make an assumption that changes are because immigration dont believe. There have been many instances lately of "changes" when in actual fact it is nothing more than a new officer enforcing an old rule.
I remember years back when the Kap Cheong office was a pokey little shop front. Run by police. They didnt have a clue. Then it changed over to full blown Immigration and all hell broke loose.
Yes I remember how lackadaisical the Immigration was Kap Cheong and how I thought it was nice to find Immigration so easygoing compared to the Immigration office I was used to before moving here.But alas times change :(
I too think that things will only get more difficult in the future.
Yes, next time we go we may have to jump through a hoop of fire :D
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Welsh.....I would take care with your commas and inverted commas. People may start to think you are someone else. whistle
Why are people so obsessed { compulsive even } to worry about who we all are on Internet forums.Some just want to keep it to a small clique on local forums ,don't want anyone with a different point of view or a bit smarter than us on here ....do we nono
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Welsh.....I would take care with your commas and inverted commas. People may start to think you are someone else. whistle
Why are people so obsessed { compulsive even } to worry about who we all are on Internet forums.Some just want to keep it to a small clique on local forums ,don't want anyone with a different point of view or a bit smarter than us on here ....do we nono
On the contrary with your unrivalled wit and enthusiasm it would be a shame to see you banned again so soon.
That was my point of writing.
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If members did not wish to see others trying to make a come back, under a different name , get banned once again, it might be best not to mention or even hint at their former involvement with the forum.
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The easiest way is NOT TO GET MARRIED and live on a retirement visa ... just do the 'local' marriage cerremony and have a BIG party = a lot of 'face' ... and just live together as long as it suits you ... in the end it will be a lot better for you IF any future problems might arise ... AND THEY WILL ARISE !!!!
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The" local marriage ceremony" often has a nasty habit of substantially eating into the 800,000bt required for the retirement visa!. Especially if MIL and the rest of the family have their way!
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Nick, I've been married 'officially' for 4 years, never did the thai thai sin sot idiocracy nor the local mariage and till this day the mum still 'hates' me for it ... although I spend more than 200.000 baht on her house, spend 250.000 baht on leveling her ricefields so her yearly yield went up 75%, giving to all her kids 30.000 baht (5 of them) ... Just do the 'Face' thing and you will be 'cheaper' off in the end !!!!
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Just do the 'Face' thing and you will be 'cheaper' off in the end !!!!
I got married in BKK and never had a village wedding even though I live in the Village.How much you hand over to the family is you choice and not an obligation but some wife's are very good at 'putting it on your 'as they say and many guys hand over cash for give family members loans { that never get repaid} just for an easy life.
There are lots of guys that can't afford the 800k ,so getting married is a way of reducing the funds they need in the bank by 50%.For some it works out ,for others it doesn't ,but that's life !!!
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Not so many years ago you needed only 250 000 in the bank the day before you extended. You only needed passport, bank book, marriage visa and passport photo. Extensions were given on the spot. No need to send to Bangkok.
There is one Imm office, I think it is Pitsanulok, that now ask for a neighbour to varify the family photos. There is another office that insist on a home visit before extension can be given. They do not say when they are coming. If you happen to be out when they turn up then extension is refused.
Imagine if during the next Immigration merry go round that Chief is the next head guy at Khorat. That is why I said it is getting more difficult.
In July 2004 the Immigration law changed from 200k deposited in a Thai bank account to 400K ( never been 250k as far as I know ) to meet the requirements for an extension based on marriage.This was done because there was far to many short-term, co-operative loans between friends, a practice of which the Thai authorities disapproved of .( a practice that still goes on and there is even people that Advertise on TV that offer this service )
The others things you have mentioned are not the norm and are only done when the Immigration feel that the applicant may not be telling the whole truth,( which is their right )
Many guys come here with money in the bank but end up spending more money than they bargained for on keeping their trophy wife happy because their wife's insist on having new cars,big screen TV's and all the other thing families of farangs are supposed to have .They then have to do multi visa runs because their money has diminished and they can't meet the requirements.
Immigration laws change and that's life,so we better get used to it. smilenod
PS..Toffo...as the TV link that I posted and Starman repeated you can change from a Tourist visa to a Non O but be prepared for some fun at the BKK Immagration,so keep your cool cool1
So i dont have to go to savannakhet to change from TV to NON O?? I can go to bangkok to do this even with only 2 days left of my TV ??? Need to know for sure before i go to bkk and get told different lol
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So i dont have to go to savannakhet to change from TV to NON O?? I can go to bangkok to do this even with only 2 days left of my TV ??? Need to know for sure before i go to bkk and get told different lol
Looks like your going to Savannakhet ::)
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/238237-change-60-day-tourist-visa-to-non-o-on-marriage-or-retirement/
Why don't you just telephone Korat Immigration and ask them what's best smilenod
The last time I arrived in Thailand I was on a 30 day tourist visa ( even though I was married ),I just went to Vientiane after 30 days , got a 3 month Non O visa based on marriage and then got it extended as the previous post's .
IMHO I still think that's is the easiest way for you to obtain a Non O visa....but the choice is yours :biggrin:
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I had a TV and wanted to change to a retirement visa, went to Korat with 7 days left, got some flunky that told me I had to leave the country, go to a Thai embassy (or consulate) such as Laos and apply for a retirement visa there. Or I could go to Bangkok and get Thai married. They said I could pay 1900 baht and get a 7 day extention, I paid it as I was very close on time.
In order to get Thai married you need 2 forms from your embassy, which I got. I also obtained an "Income" form certified by the my embassy that I made so much a month.
While getting these forms, my TG was on wireless road getting a coffee, and some hawker from a visa service got ahold of her. We went there, they offered to get all the forms we needed and get us married in the next few hours for 15,000 baht. Since I was desperate, I offered 12,000 baht and we were Thai married with the forms in 2 hours. My TG kept saying we do by ourselves, but after the problems at the immigration office I was leary as this was during the floods and did not know what was open or if you could get there. Bottom line for me, the 12K baht got me the required paperwork.
This visa office then tried to talk me into getting a multi-entry retirement visa for only 90,000 baht. This was way out of line, and they would keep my passport, so I said no. The next morning we drove to Korat, and 40 minutes later I walked out with a retirement visa. But I think I got the head lady that made things happen.
Having the Thai marriage forms and the embassy income form is what made it work for me. Korat immigration had some issues with the bank statement as it was in both our names, but the embassy income from overcame that. She asked if I would let her keep the form, I said sure if it will get me the visa. I handed her the form, and she gave it back to me and used our back statement.
I have to go back next month for the 90 day checkin, and to get the type visa I want (multi-entry). Hopefully that will go well. Hope some of this info helps you.
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Oh, you lose a lot of money....! Well, when you been here for some year you learn...But congratulation for marridge!
Frank
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I had a TV and wanted to change to a retirement visa, went to Korat with 7 days left, got some flunky that told me I had to leave the country, go to a Thai embassy (or consulate) such as Laos and apply for a retirement visa there. Or I could go to Bangkok and get Thai married. They said I could pay 1900 baht and get a 7 day extention, I paid it as I was very close on time.
In order to get Thai married you need 2 forms from your embassy, which I got. I also obtained an "Income" form certified by the my embassy that I made so much a month.
While getting these forms, my TG was on wireless road getting a coffee, and some hawker from a visa service got ahold of her. We went there, they offered to get all the forms we needed and get us married in the next few hours for 15,000 baht. Since I was desperate, I offered 12,000 baht and we were Thai married with the forms in 2 hours. My TG kept saying we do by ourselves, but after the problems at the immigration office I was leary as this was during the floods and did not know what was open or if you could get there. Bottom line for me, the 12K baht got me the required paperwork.
This visa office then tried to talk me into getting a multi-entry retirement visa for only 90,000 baht. This was way out of line, and they would keep my passport, so I said no. The next morning we drove to Korat, and 40 minutes later I walked out with a retirement visa. But I think I got the head lady that made things happen.
Having the Thai marriage forms and the embassy income form is what made it work for me. Korat immigration had some issues with the bank statement as it was in both our names, but the embassy income from overcame that. She asked if I would let her keep the form, I said sure if it will get me the visa. I handed her the form, and she gave it back to me and used our back statement.
I have to go back next month for the 90 day checkin, and to get the type visa I want (multi-entry). Hopefully that will go well. Hope some of this info helps you.
I think he could extend and then go to Bangkok. For the sake of a few trips up the 24/3/1/9 roads it may be worth presenting yourself at Bangkok Immigration and just ask them what the best course of action is. Conversion (to Non-Inn O based on marriage/retirement and preferably showing some evidence) is best done at Bangkok and then arrange the extension at Dan Kwian. Worst case scenario is that you have to scoot out of the country and come on a 30 day visa exempt entry.
Phoning Korat is a fair second option - although the telephone advice can be variable according to some people.
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I think he could extend and then go to Bangkok. For the sake of a few trips up the 24/3/1/9 roads it may be worth presenting yourself at Bangkok Immigration and just ask them what the best course of action is. Conversion (to Non-Inn O based on marriage/retirement and preferably showing some evidence) is best done at Bangkok and then arrange the extension at Dan Kwian. Worst case scenario is that you have to scoot out of the country and come on a 30 day visa exempt entry.
Phoning Korat is a fair second option - although the telephone advice can be variable according to some people.
If you read the OP Toffo says" This is my situation as of now...Im on a double entry and this is my last extension of it for 1 month that runs out on jan 19th"
Sounds like to me, Toffo has already extended his TV for a month ???
I would go to Korat Immigration ASAP or phone them,as this is Toffo's local IO they will give him the Info that best suit's him. We all like to be experts or offer advice but when dealing with Immigration ,the problem is,what is OK at one IO may not be OK at another in some situations :wacko:
As you say CC" Worst case scenario is that you have to scoot out of the country " but get a 3 month Non O based on Marriage ,not on a 30 day visa exempt entry though :)