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Buriram Province - General Category => International News clippings => Topic started by: nookiebear on January 09, 2011, 10:02:49 AM
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Yet another gun massacre in the USA
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Yet another gun massacre in the USA
Federal judge dead, congresswoman among 12 wounded in shootingBy the CNN Wire Staff
January 8, 2011 9:42 p.m. EST
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1)
Federal judge dead, congresswoman among 12 wounded in shooting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDbw9dk9VRg#ws)
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...nature of the culture. Guns or not. screwy
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Well spoken. thumbup
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...nature of the culture. Guns or not. screwy
Too true, I have a couple of rifles myself, doesn't mean I'm gonna go out to kill people. The only problem i have with Guns in the States is how easy you can get hold of one (in some states). Free shotgun when you open a bank account in one bank in a certain state and ammunition for sale over the counter in wallmart without having to show a gun licence. There should at least be some kind of check on the way to a gun.
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Its says such a lot for Americans that they seem to get 'a buzz' by owning countless guns/rifles
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Quote from....
http://hubpages.com/hub/Thai-Cops-The-Boys-in-Brown (http://hubpages.com/hub/Thai-Cops-The-Boys-in-Brown)
Perhaps one of the most recognizable attribute a Thai cop has is his large shiny piece of nickel and steel. I’m not talking about their badge. I’m referring to the large .357 magnum revolver strapped to their hip. Sure all guns are no joke, but a .357 magnum can really do some serious damage. People can still recover with a 9mm gun shot wound to the stomach, which is standard issue side arm used by police in the Western hemisphere. But a large caliber bullet such as a .357 to the stomach will ensure that you’ll be sipping your supper through a straw for the rest of your life. That is if you survive. blink1
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Quote from....
http://hubpages.com/hub/Thai-Cops-The-Boys-in-Brown (http://hubpages.com/hub/Thai-Cops-The-Boys-in-Brown)
Perhaps one of the most recognizable attribute a Thai cop has is his large shiny piece of nickel and steel. I’m not talking about their badge. I’m referring to the large .357 magnum revolver strapped to their hip. Sure all guns are no joke, but a .357 magnum can really do some serious damage. People can still recover with a 9mm gun shot wound to the stomach, which is standard issue side arm used by police in the Western hemisphere. But a large caliber bullet such as a .357 to the stomach will ensure that you’ll be sipping your supper through a straw for the rest of your life. That is if you survive. blink1
Yes, that's another kettle of fish perhaps to be explore later. Thai male unstable macho mentality and the freedom to do as you please with a weapon of this caliber.
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I have never seen a policeman with a "Magnum" but i once saw one sucking on a Calypso! thumbup
Is it true they have to buy their own guns???
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I have never seen a policeman with a "Magnum" but i once saw one sucking on a Calypso! thumbup
Is it true they have to buy their own guns???
I've heard that, Dave.
Plenty of young guys have them, too, though they don't display them so readily (I've only once seen one pulled on the street!).
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...a wealth of metaphors. party15
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...a wealth of metaphors. party15
Yes, well, I've seen that pulled on the street, too!
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...a wealth of metaphors. party15
Yes, well, I've seen that pulled on the street, too!
Less, an observer, but a participator. whistle
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Oh, you are, are you? I'm sorry to hear that.
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I have never seen a policeman with a "Magnum" but i once saw one sucking on a Calypso! thumbup
Is it true they have to buy their own guns???
YES indeed they do ........But the Thread is about USA not here!!!
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I'm an American and I own several guns/rifles, but it doesn't give me a "buzz".
Care to expound?
I have a permit and carry a weapon (concealed), most times. In the past 10 or 15 years, it's gotten really crazy here at home....Las Vegas. The "bad guys" are all armed and using their guns with regularity. It seems that it's fairly easy to obtain a gun illegally here in the states, regardless of safeguards for legal purchase. Same as in Thaiand...heh?
Its says such a lot for Americans that they seem to get 'a buzz' by owning countless guns/rifles
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I have never seen a policeman with a "Magnum" but i once saw one sucking on a Calypso! thumbup
Is it true they have to buy their own guns???
YES indeed they do ........But the Thread is about USA not here!!!
It looks as if most of us are more interested in Thailand than the US?
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I'm an American and I own several guns/rifles, but it doesn't give me a "buzz".
Care to expound?
I have a permit and carry a weapon (concealed), most times. In the past 10 or 15 years, it's gotten really crazy here at home....Las Vegas. The "bad guys" are all armed and using their guns with regularity. It seems that it's fairly easy to obtain a gun illegally here in the states, regardless of safeguards for legal purchase. Same as in Thaiand...heh?
Its says such a lot for Americans that they seem to get 'a buzz' by owning countless guns/rifles
Why do you own several then, are you a hunter that can shoot several at the time, if not, it must be a buzz.
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"den Buut",
I wouldn't say that it gives me a "buzz". I do enjoy sport shooting however.
Just like a guy that owns several cars, or various fishing tackle, or model airplanes etc.
Can't shoot them all at once, as they're all locked up in a gun safe unless being used.
BTW (reference to above post), it's my understanding that most local police agencies have left the 9mm program and gone to the .40 S&W caliber handguns. Same with the "Federal's".
My "kid" is a Federal Officer, and carries a .40 caliber (agency issued).
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"den Buut",
I wouldn't say that it gives me a "buzz". I do enjoy sport shooting however.
Just like a guy that owns several cars, or various fishing tackle, or model airplanes etc.
Can't shoot them all at once, as they're all locked up in a gun safe unless being used.
BTW (reference to above post), it's my understanding that most local police agencies have left the 9mm program and gone to the .40 S&W caliber handguns. Same with the "Federal's".
My "kid" is a Federal Officer, and carries a .40 caliber (agency issued).
Then you must be an American that doesn't understand why people just don't want to have guns around them, it's the idee where they were made for, but that's why it's called gunculture in USA, 250 million rednecks with guns.
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"den Buut",
I wouldn't say that it gives me a "buzz". I do enjoy sport shooting however.
Just like a guy that owns several cars, or various fishing tackle, or model airplanes etc.
Can't shoot them all at once, as they're all locked up in a gun safe unless being used.
BTW (reference to above post), it's my understanding that most local police agencies have left the 9mm program and gone to the .40 S&W caliber handguns. Same with the "Federal's".
My "kid" is a Federal Officer, and carries a .40 caliber (agency issued).
Then you must be an American that doesn't understand why people just don't want to have guns around them, it's the idee where they were made for, but that's why it's called gunculture in USA, 250 million rednecks with guns.
I've always found the American apologist stance/justification to be quite fascinating.
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Fascinating???....I think its absolutely pathetic!! thumbup
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Fascinating???....I think its absolutely pathetic!! thumbup
Seconded, Nookie.
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Not sure if i see what the problem is with a disliking for shooting as a sport. I believe each to their own.As a teenager i was part of a team that used to compete in leagues / cups but this didnt turn me into anything other than a normal average person. Maybe we should ban shooting sports from the olympics if it is such a redneck activity????????? as long as there are safeguards and controls in place and people behave in a responsible manner so what.I dislike the nanny state viewpoint that seems to suggest that i am not responsible enough to look after my own actions.
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I would love to own a gun here in Thailand, Then I could blow the fook out of the other Villagers chickens that keep coming in my garden and digging all the soil out of my potted plants.. madbar
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Not sure if i see what the problem is with a disliking for shooting as a sport. I believe each to their own.As a teenager i was part of a team that used to compete in leagues / cups but this didnt turn me into anything other than a normal average person. Maybe we should ban shooting sports from the olympics if it is such a redneck activity????????? as long as there are safeguards and controls in place and people behave in a responsible manner so what.I dislike the nanny state viewpoint that seems to suggest that i am not responsible enough to look after my own actions.
I have no objection to shooting for sport, in the sense of shooting at targets. I am against shooting to kill wild creatures as a sport, though I agree it is necessary sometimes to do so to protect domestic animals or to reduce overpopulation (which as often as not has been caused by human interference with the environment). Where the US seems to have gone wrong is that large numbers of people own guns without any justifiable reason for using them (self-defence, perhaps, if you live in an isolated spot). There don't seem to be safeguards and controls in place, and a small proportion of the population can be guaranteed to behave in an irresponsible manner.
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Not sure if i see what the problem is with a disliking for shooting as a sport. I believe each to their own.As a teenager i was part of a team that used to compete in leagues / cups but this didnt turn me into anything other than a normal average person. Maybe we should ban shooting sports from the olympics if it is such a redneck activity????????? as long as there are safeguards and controls in place and people behave in a responsible manner so what.I dislike the nanny state viewpoint that seems to suggest that i am not responsible enough to look after my own actions.
Didn't know they had rednecks in the UK. You understand where guns were actually made for? that's why many people don't like them, and maybe it has something to do with abuse off firearms, but mainly nothing good happens when they are around. But if you like to feel like a big tough man, go ahead.
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Geeeze...I'm sorry I ever posted on the subject!
It's the same old "bleating heart" B/S, by people who have no clue about that which they speak.
"rednecks" and "killing wild beasts, for sport"..5555
Please give me a break!
I find it both "fascinating" and "pathetic", that those posting the most venomous remarks on the subject, are foreigner's to the USA. And the laws governing such in America, have absolutely no effect on them whatsoever. (?????)
Just a veiled attempt at the usual "yank bashing" theme, that seems to be so popular among todays "keyboard warriors"! 555
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I would love to own a gun here in Thailand, Then I could blow the fook out of the other Villagers chickens that keep coming in my garden and digging all the soil out of my potted plants.. madbar
I do have the use of a gun here BUT I have never fired it & would only do so if my life was under threat.......It certainly doesn't give me 'The American Buzz'
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Geeeze...I'm sorry I ever posted on the subject!
I bet you are,,,,, stop1
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Den Buut, I quite frankly find your comments childish , re wanting to be a big man for doing some target shooting 30 years ago.................though it doesnt really surprise me from what i read on some of your other postings.
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Den Buut, I quite frankly find your comments childish , re wanting to be a big man for doing some target shooting 30 years ago.................though it doesnt really surprise me from what i read on some of your other postings.
You just don't understand, maybe you're just not smart enough, sorry.
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Yes i guess you are right my postgraduate academic record and various professional qualifications dont compare much against the "highly opinionated font of all knowledge".i wont bother further replies ......as i see we differ in outlook....that is the nature of the world we live in.
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Taffy ,I have to come down on your side even though you are a Cardiff supporter
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Taffy ,I have to come down on your side even though you are a Cardiff supporter
That is a bloody good reason for NOT coming down on his side !!!!
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We all did stupid things when we were 17, guess shooting a gun was one of yours.
Thanks for seeing me that way by the way.
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Yes i guess you are right my postgraduate academic record and various professional qualifications dont compare much against the "highly opinionated font of all knowledge".i wont bother further replies ......as i see we differ in outlook....that is the nature of the world we live in.
Supporting Cardiff is perhaps evidence that all the qualifications in the world do not make one a wise man !
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Had I been brought with guns, or had the chance to shoot at an early age, I may support the licensed possession of guns.
I didn't, so I see little reason for allowing guns to be used than in a controlled environment such as a registered gun club.
I don't possess a gun and doubt I ever will. Would I use one to protect my safety/life ? Yes, of course - which in itself may be the wrong approach to law and order.
As the topic is about USA gun culture we can refer to 'gun toting-red necks' and cite the many misuses of fire-arms where innocent people have been killed. For those of us in the UK we have seen Hungerforford, Dunblane and recently with Raoul Moat.
Stats tell their own story:-
"The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000.
The study used 1994 statistics supplied by the 36 countries. Of the 88,649 gun deaths reported by all the countries, the United States accounted for 45 percent, said Etienne Krug, a CDC researcher and co-author of the article. "
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When you see the statistics its hard to says that the USA doesn't have a problem,the American gun lovers in this debate always say " You are just Yank bashing again " and they their bury your head in the sand and pretend the problem doesn't exist .
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/03/us_leads_riches.html (http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/03/us_leads_riches.html)
I remember watching Bowling for Columbine years ago ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_for_Columbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_for_Columbine) ) and thinking what a fcuked up place the USA is,one of the reasons I have never been .I'm not Yank bashing because I am British and the UK is fcuked too but for different reasons. smilenod
One more thing .....The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,give an unbalanced mind a gun and look what they do with it......need I say more ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States)
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We all did stupid things when we were 17, guess shooting a gun was one of yours.
Thanks for seeing me that way by the way.
I was a fair shot at 18, good enough anyway to be the marksman on a riot squad in Singapore (the person who has to pick off the ringleader). When a riot happened, I was terrified I would have to shoot someone... so perhaps it was a stupid thing to do!
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Yes i guess you are right my postgraduate academic record and various professional qualifications dont compare much against the "highly opinionated font of all knowledge".i wont bother further replies ......as i see we differ in outlook....that is the nature of the world we live in.
HA HA! This highly opinionated font of all knowledge that you speak of so gallantly, is the grand character fodder of forum circles. Largely, because we all know everything whistle mhihi. Mind, one musn't throw around educational and academics accolades, as a proper and formal educational experience guarantees nothing.
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When you see the statistics its hard to says that the USA doesn't have a problem,the American gun lovers in this debate always say " You are just Yank bashing again " and they their bury your head in the sand and pretend the problem doesn't exist .
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/03/us_leads_riches.html (http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2006/03/us_leads_riches.html)
I remember watching Bowling for Columbine years ago ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_for_Columbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_for_Columbine) ) and thinking what a fcuked up place the USA is,one of the reasons I have never been .I'm not Yank bashing because I am British and the UK is fcuked too but for different reasons. smilenod
One more thing .....The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,give an unbalanced mind a gun and look what they do with it......need I say more ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States)
It is what it is. No degree of logical debate or apologist rants will change the truer nature of the American culture. Some variant circles might suggest that America has long been a "warrior culture" aside the romantic and cherished {subliminally} kinship with militarism that seems to be a calling card for what civilisation reflects. One needn't know {or study} the steadfast, and quite accepted, overseas military adventures of American history to find what the reality of the culture might be. These deeper ingrained ideals extend domestically.
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Liars figure and figures lie, too.
That's a wonderful ANALysis of what's wrong in America. 5555
I especially liked..." One needn't know {or study} the steadfast, and quite accepted, overseas military adventures of American history to find what the reality of the culture might be."
Like there's no history of any British "overseas military adventures"....your historical military conquests make America look like a flock of pacifists, 5555 redman
But enough on the topic for me.
I happen to like guns, and a few of you don't.
That's how it is, and I'm sure...how it will remain.
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All of this bollox just goes to show how fickle you Yanks really are thumbup thumbup
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Nay, gentlemen. I say a plague on both Yanks & Poms houses and their wretched histories. This comparative and superlative envy tends to be born of illusion.
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I think I speak for the other Americans on the board when I say this Yank bashing better end or I'm gonna go fetch my guns! :)
I have spent the majority of my life on the east coast of the U.S., mostly in D.C., New York and Philadelphia. I have never owned a gun, shot a gun or held a gun and I have no desire to. I can recall seeing one gun in person in my lifetime. That was when I was in university in the Netherlands, not even in the U.S.
The gun toting red necks are as simultaneously laughable and frightening to me as they are to you. With the exception of televison, I come into contact with those Americans in my daily life as about as frequently as you fellas do. America is a big place with a diverse populace.
Clearly there is a gun problem in the U.S., but I think you guys are making assumptions about all Americans attitudes towards guns and gun ownership based on the very small, yet very vocal minority of gun rights advocates.
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Manni, with all due respect, general assumptions and attitude inquiries toward the American character is quite easy, as it is the only Western culture that boastfully wears itself on it's sleeve. Lucid humility could play a part in character advancement, if such social traits existed amongst your kindred. Largely, this fanciful examination of an exceptional and extraordinary civilisation is received with falsehoods throughout most of the world. This social and character enhancement is purely a domestic illusion.... loco screwy
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Manni, with all due respect, general assumptions and attitude inquiries toward the American character is quite easy, as it is the only Western culture that boastfully wears itself on it's sleeve. Lucid humility could play a part in character advancement, if such social traits existed amongst your kindred. Largely, this fanciful examination of an exceptional and extraordinary civilisation is received with falsehoods throughout most of the world. This social and character enhancement is purely a domestic illusion.... loco screwy
Firstly, I am not an American and I am no fan of American foreign policy or it's lack of proper control over the selling of firearms.
But as I understand from your comment above, you are basically saying that humility as a social trait is lacking in American society in general, and that they could do with some (more) humility as part of Character advancememt (as if they should fix this charater flaw) or did I misunderstand your post ?
But then you go on to say that this character enhancement is purely a domestic illusion and you imply that the rest of the world has a false view of America society.
I am just interested in understanding your point, but I can't follow what you are saying.
In plain english, what are you trying to say ?
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I am just interested in understanding your point, but I can't follow what you are saying.
Join the club Paddy ....LOL
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Followers need not apply. Best to distance yourself....keep to your textbooks. whistle
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Followers need not apply. Best to distance yourself....keep to your textbooks. whistle
And some people ,redrover, should stay in Surin and warm themselves by the fire of psycho babble! It has been some time since I have read such a load of rubbish. I feel I am not alone in my thoughts!
Your "one size fits all" barely intelligible outlook is embarassing.
Stay off the rice wine mate!!!!!!!
John
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Case rested. Blind ignorance and vacant thought is still a truer virtue throughout many circles... spot1 pray1
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It would appear that you would know better than the rest of us about that mate!
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It would appear that you would know better than the rest of us about that mate!
Guess you're living the American dream.
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Yes you are right den Buut.....you are guessing!
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John,
what are you shooting at the moment ?
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Hi Paddy,
no I'm not. I am currently licensed but have nothing registered in my name. I do have access through a family member. Target shooting , especially at Olympic level, is quite expensive and requires a huge time commitment. I haven't shot at quite that level but even at middling to three quarter level it taxes the wallet. Many ex service personnel were subsidised to keep up their skill level but I'm not aware if that is still the case here (Australia not America). In my early days licensing was a little easier but now it is tightly controlled. I am very happy that situation exists. I note with interest that the Swiss people voted in a referendum over the weekend to stop the practice of storing assault rifles at home by the Militia. It is time that practice ceased.
When I had a lot to do with shorts ,(concealable firearms, pistols and the like), we had a mantra drummed into us " If you load it you will carry it, if you carry it you will use it......so don't carry it" This of course applied to off duty times not those of justifiable use. It is as well to remember that in this country ,and I think the UK also, if a person who is authorised to apply deadly force does so they are immediately charged with either murder, manslaughter or assault occasioning grievous bodily harm.This applies to military personnel engaged in Counter Terrorist roles. I have spoken to many people who have acted in this role and to a man and woman they have acknowledged the incredible responsibility they carry and their desire to apply lesser forms of force wherever humanly possible.
That's pretty much it for me on the subject.
Cheers,
John
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Its very strict on firearms here is Ireland also, due to our paramilitary past. Handguns are almost entirely illegal, with only competitive shooting at licenced pistol clubs, but getting a licence for a handgun is almost impossible.
Licences for Shotguns and Hunting rifles up to 0.22 are relatively straight forward but you still need to get forms filled, etc. Anything over 0.223 is considered high power and only suitable for Deer and needs a special licence from the Department of the Environment. But in all cases you have to prove membership of a gun club and/or get two landowners to sign giving you permission to shoot on their land. The application process operates through your local Garda (police) station, so if you have a record or are known as a bit of a 'nutter' locally, then the Garda can object to the licence. And if you move they check with the station at your previous address. All in all the system works. Getting back to my original post, I would think that a similar system in the US as opposed to the current over-the-counter sales method would save some lives.
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A little off topic, isn't it, please make it a date and tell eachother big strories in a bar somewhere. love2
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A little off topic, isn't it, please make it a date and tell eachother big strories in a bar somewhere. love2
How is that off-topic ?,
We were discussing gun ownership in the US and I was explaining how it works in Ireland as a contrast to the US.
What big stories ?
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I was refering to your date.
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den Buut,
I find your attempt to make Paddy and my conversation into some kind of gun owners love fest grossly,grossly offensive! Of all the people qualified to speak on gun ownership problems no one qualifies more than the people of of Ireland. Considering that the firearms used by PIRA were almost all supplied by or funded by certain citizens of the USA gives Paddy not only the right to speak on this matter but makes his comments wholely relevant to the discussion of gun ownership in the USA. It would appear to me that your objection to our discussion revolves around it's rationality......something that is missing from your argument.
To be frank I think you are a misinformed, self opinionated with limited life experience. I look forward to expressing those comments to you personally in Thailand. I suggest you go away now and play with your plastic blocks and weave wicker baskets.
Paddy I look forward to a bevvy with you in Ireland or Thailand :-)
Cheers,
John
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hahaha Thanks John, very well put.
I would be happy to go for that bevvy, Maybe den Buut could join us. mhihi
The family and I only go back to Thailand once a year for a month or so in the Summer, but when I'm there I can frequently be found in either Paddy's Irish bar or the International bar. But seriously, if you are ever In Ireland (near Cork), give me shout. Being Irish, all I need to go for pint is an excuse. happybar
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Paddy ......thats a date!
I will be in touch!
den Butte bring your blocks along :-)
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Soorry, Ireland is too cold and rainy for me, but maye in Thailand I can make my point, let me know when and where you're there.
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Soorry, Ireland is too cold and rainy for me, but maye in Thailand I can make my point, let me know when and where you're there.
A rather nice diplomatic response, den Buut. thumbup
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Thanks, maybe my answers aren't always diplomatic, but I'm not a unreasenable person, just defending my point of view, greetings.
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I have dear friends on both sides of the handgun issue, those who believe easy access to hand guns is not good for this country and those who believe government has no business dictating ownership one way or the other.I have gained valuable understanding from both arguments, and I have made my final decision. It is now my firm belief that certain Americans, especially those who are more likely to become victims of crime, need to own and become proficient with handguns!
I can't discuss it further right now. Gotta get back to the firing range. It's my turn to pick up the brass behind the shooting stations.
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Mmmmm, maybe I have to change my point of view..nice pic. bravo1
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http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/9159448/__Per_ongeluk_neergeschoten__.html?p=16,2 (http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/9159448/__Per_ongeluk_neergeschoten__.html?p=16,2)
Watch the video .
Son Accidentally Shoots Mom, Dad Shoots Self (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kN2TLKIz3U#ws)
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Another nice one, a gunshow in the USA, hope you understand what I mean J the T and Paddyram, most people are just too dumb to handle a gun. Figger out what happened....
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1385581/459b83eb/leuk_zo_n_gun_show.html (http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1385581/459b83eb/leuk_zo_n_gun_show.html)
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Regardless if they have guns, there will always be candidates for the Darwin award.
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Another nice one, a gunshow in the USA, hope you understand what I mean J the T and Paddyram, most people are just too dumb to handle a gun. Figger out what happened....
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1385581/459b83eb/leuk_zo_n_gun_show.html (http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1385581/459b83eb/leuk_zo_n_gun_show.html)
Some people sure are ....
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No, most people sure are.
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No, most people sure are.
And most are of European decent.
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No, most people sure are.
And most are of European decent.
Explain?
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@ Paddyram and J the T, I hope you're one of these...
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1447831/dd09744a/faalcompilatie_pistooleditie.html (http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1447831/dd09744a/faalcompilatie_pistooleditie.html)
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Nice bumb, DB. stop1
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Sorry to P1ss on your parade Den Butt, but no, I am not one of those people in the Video clip.
It was very funny though, I'll give you that.
But to make you feel a little better, I did hurt myself once firing a mortar. Baseplate kicked up from the mud and hit me in the shin. Still hit the target though, ... well kinda. You don't have to be that close with a mortar, nearly will do. jumping6
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@ Paddyram and J the T, I hope you're one of these...
And I wonder who this is with their daughter monkeydancing
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freaks... tired1
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Sorry to P1ss on your parade Den Butt, but no, I am not one of those people in the Video clip.
It was very funny though, I'll give you that.
But to make you feel a little better, I did hurt myself once firing a mortar. Baseplate kicked up from the mud and hit me in the shin. Still hit the target though, ... well kinda. You don't have to be that close with a mortar, nearly will do. jumping6
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Yesterdays news, only in the USA..
http://www.blippitt.com/6-year-old-brings-gun-to-texas-school-3-kids-hurt-raw-video (http://www.blippitt.com/6-year-old-brings-gun-to-texas-school-3-kids-hurt-raw-video)
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Yanks. They like firearms and weapons. Evident by their clear militarism-based culture.
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Hi den Buut,
trained with more than a couple of these guys !
SAS Australian SASR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRqK2dFQCg#noexternalembed)
You will notice nothing falls off! The only bits falling off are from the Tango's......:-)
Mike I have a daughter and I don't appreciate the wisecrack.
Paddyram the need for a beer together grows greater mate :-)
Yours in mayhem
John
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Yesterdays news, only in the USA..
http://www.blippitt.com/6-year-old-brings-gun-to-texas-school-3-kids-hurt-raw-video (http://www.blippitt.com/6-year-old-brings-gun-to-texas-school-3-kids-hurt-raw-video)
WTF, that clip was just wrong on a whole range of levels
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I couldn't agree more Paddy.
John
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Hi den Buut,
trained with more than a couple of these guys !
SAS Australian SASR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRqK2dFQCg#noexternalembed)
You will notice nothing falls off! The only bits falling off are from the Tango's......:-)
Mike I have a daughter and I don't appreciate the wisecrack.
Paddyram the need for a beer together grows greater mate :-)
Yours in mayhem
John
I'm impressed JtT, Grown man that play around like little kids? Seems you think it's cool to fight a war, to me it's (probably) a necessay evel of wich I don't have to see anything. Put some rocking music under it and it seems even cooler. I see now you probebly heve the average IQ of an American, that's way lower of an everage European.
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But you're sure these weren't the first pictures of the anti-gaycamp in Malaysia?
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Hi den Buut,
trained with more than a couple of these guys !
SAS Australian SASR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRqK2dFQCg#noexternalembed)
You will notice nothing falls off! The only bits falling off are from the Tango's......:-)
Mike I have a daughter and I don't appreciate the wisecrack.
Paddyram the need for a beer together grows greater mate :-)
Yours in mayhem
John
Impressive stuff John.
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I was only a 'toy soldier' myself. The Irish army reserve (FCA) was like a local militia, more about drinking sessions than parade duties. But it was run by retired regular army NCOs and Officers, so the practical riflecraft and fieldcraft lessons were thought well. Too well maybe, because the IRA used it as a training ground when they got past the background checks
So Den Buut, John was the real deal, it was me that was only playing at being a soldier. I did get to chase some armed IRA guys though the mountains after a roadblock. That was good fun. not many people can say they did that. But typcially, being Ireland I ran out of bullets (Gov. cutbacks) before they did.
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I think it may have been filmed in Holland DB.......plenty of gays there......except those that live in Thailand listening to crappy heavy metal music ! Or is that heavy clog music? Intelligence Quotient is judged on " Culture fair" or "Culture Bound" principles. However spelling is a giveaway.......probably not probebly, and you have, not heve, it right. Unless you want to be average not everage like the American citizens you seem to despise but have not visited and met.
Having spent some time in Europe and observed it's population can you explain to me the concept of a "Neo Nazi" and inform of how Europeans seem to do that better than most???
den Buut you are a worry...you really are!
John
P.S I will pass your comments on. My friends visit often :-)
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Hi Paddy,
trained with but wasn't one. Though I own the head gear. Loooong story which I will be happy to recount over a pint.Don't down play FCA . When you were in the mountains it could have turned real at any time and you may have been known as Ex Paddy. But you went up and you did the job.......fair play to you....and respect love5
Cheers,
John
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I think it may have been filmed in Holland DB.......plenty of gays there......except those that live in Thailand listening to crappy heavy metal music ! Or is that heavy clog music? Intelligence Quotient is judged on " Culture fair" or "Culture Bound" principles. However spelling is a giveaway.......probably not probebly, and you have, not heve, it right. Unless you want to be average not everage like the American citizens you seem to despise but have not visited and met.
Having spent some time in Europe and observed it's population can you explain to me the concept of a "Neo Nazi" and inform of how Europeans seem to do that better than most???
den Buut you are a worry...you really are!
John
P.S I will pass your comments on. My friends visit often :-)
Nice and mature answer bravo1, something about pot and kettle I remind, maybe you have to take out your blocks as well, sorry for mistyping, I'll use spellcheck next time, specially for you, although I think my English is way better as your Dutch. So you call some men you trained with friends? Now i see why you so desperate want to drink a beer with Paddyram. Why don't take them with you, or don't they want to spend a holliday with you? So many questions J t T.
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I speak a number of languages dB. Why don't you come along and have a beer with Paddy and I......you could be the girl fairydust
Big kisses
John
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No thanks, since your last reply I'm not even slightly interested in meeting you Mr Toughguy. Think I have too much of a problem laughing at you all the time. :D
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Oh dB you love me really I can tell cheergirl C'mon give us a kiss love6
John
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Oh dB you love me really I can tell cheergirl C'mon give us a kiss love6
John
I'll tell you...farting is not a language.
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Admin, Please leave this thread go on. I know you don't like too much banter, but we do and you never let us play anymore. :(
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dB you would know about that far better than me............ thumbup
I just think that you should embrace your essential gayness. Perhaps you should talk to isanbirder. He is a member of the forum and is gay. I don't have a problem with that. I have worked in the hospitality industry between work gigs and know many gay people. Don't be ashamed! isanbirder strikes me as a great bloke! He is very knowledgeable about cricket and is a very "grounded" guy. Talk to him.
Cheers
John
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Just say so Admin and I will let him off the hook.
Thanks for the back up Paddy
Cheers,
John
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Real men here...... thumbup
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Just say so Admin and I will let him off the hook.
Thanks for the back up Paddy
Cheers,
John
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Yes admin, cause calling straight men gay is all cool and all, he's got me on the hook with his I'm straight and I love it and all, guess I'm not the only one that is starting to feeling sorry for you. Please Admin, get him out of his misery.
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You're one of these J t T? Or all of these?
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1450411/5cdc55d5/raket_failcompilatie.html (http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1450411/5cdc55d5/raket_failcompilatie.html)
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dB you would know about that far better than me............ thumbup
I just think that you should embrace your essential gayness. Perhaps you should talk to isanbirder. He is a member of the forum and is gay. I don't have a problem with that. I have worked in the hospitality industry between work gigs and know many gay people. Don't be ashamed! isanbirder strikes me as a great bloke! He is very knowledgeable about cricket and is a very "grounded" guy. Talk to him.
Cheers
John
Those whom speak the loudest and most often...... whistle
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378613/Houston-school-shooting-Kindergartener-6-accidentally-shoots-2-classmates.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378613/Houston-school-shooting-Kindergartener-6-accidentally-shoots-2-classmates.html)
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What the fcuk is a 6 year old doing with a loaded gun!!!Americans have a hell of a lot to answer for!!
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What the fcuk is a 6 year old doing with a loaded gun!!!Americans have a hell of a lot to answer for!!
Answer what? boxingguy
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What the fcuk is a 6 year old doing with a loaded gun!!!Americans have a hell of a lot to answer for!!
Answer what? boxingguy
Some children have a rough time being brought up,some have to watch drunk parents,some have violent parents,some parents let the children watch unsuitable TV or movies,some children are abused and some are allowed to get hold their parents guns and play with them. It's tough being a kid sometimes. :blink:
I think a lot of parents have a hell of a lot to answer too, not just Americans that let their children access their guns. :(
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What the fcuk is a 6 year old doing with a loaded gun!!!Americans have a hell of a lot to answer for!!
Answer what? boxingguy
Some children have a rough time being brought up,some have to watch drunk parents,some have violent parents,some parents let the children watch unsuitable TV or movies,some children are abused and some are allowed to get hold their parents guns and play with them. It's tough being a kid sometimes. :blink:
I think a lot of parents have a hell of a lot to answer too, not just Americans that let their children access their guns. :(
Or society would have a lot of explaining to do, as one might observe contemporary societies that unconsciously romance and honour militarism throughout their history. Can't get away from it.....embedded throughout popular culture, video games, the news, arts and literature, etc. Those whom would be comfortable with forced upon ideals of a nationalism-religious-militarism triad, would certainly be quite acceptable to the presence of weaponry of every sort. Violence begats violence.
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Dear Pee Nuu,
you appear to have all the answers. Please inform us , Oh great one , as to the correct way.........we are all ears!
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Dear Pee Nuu,
you appear to have all the answers. Please inform us , Oh great one , as to the correct way.........we are all ears!
Yes, he means people like you. And the main problem is, people like yourself only have violence, and stupid childish answers.
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Dear Pee Nuu,
you appear to have all the answers. Please inform us , Oh great one , as to the correct way.........we are all ears!
I might have the answers or not, John. As I don't confess to have all the answers, more opinion and punditry. And those opinions are likely to counter what passes for convention.....what most are easily sucked into, without challenge or question or curiosity. I'm just a humble cunt. For "the answers" you'll have to consort with a higher source that might not offend or threaten your sensibilities.
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I'm just a humble cnut.
smilenod thumbup
Only joking Pee Nuu...I like you really :biggrin:
Violence begats violence.
You can't argue with that :)
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Dear Pee Nuu,
you appear to have all the answers. Please inform us , Oh great one , as to the correct way.........we are all ears!
I might have the answers or not, John. As I don't confess to have all the answers, more opinion and punditry. And those opinions are likely to counter what passes for convention.....what most are easily sucked into, without challenge or question or curiosity. I'm just a humble cunt. For "the answers" you'll have to consort with a higher source that might not offend or threaten your sensibilities.
SO while we all get 'sucked into conventional opinion, you are, ... eh.... unsuckable ! thumbup
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Another threatened one.... smilenod
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Dear Pee Nuu,
you appear to have all the answers. Please inform us , Oh great one , as to the correct way.........we are all ears!
I might have the answers or not, John. As I don't confess to have all the answers, more opinion and punditry. And those opinions are likely to counter what passes for convention.....what most are easily sucked into, without challenge or question or curiosity. I'm just a humble cunt. For "the answers" you'll have to consort with a higher source that might not offend or threaten your sensibilities.
SO while we all get 'sucked into conventional opinion, you are, ... eh.... unsuckable ! thumbup
Nice to see you still have humor thumbup, J t T seems to have lost it somewhere during responding to this topic. slapfight
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Dear Pee Nuu,
you appear to have all the answers. Please inform us , Oh great one , as to the correct way.........we are all ears!
I might have the answers or not, John. As I don't confess to have all the answers, more opinion and punditry. And those opinions are likely to counter what passes for convention.....what most are easily sucked into, without challenge or question or curiosity. I'm just a humble cunt. For "the answers" you'll have to consort with a higher source that might not offend or threaten your sensibilities.
SO while we all get 'sucked into conventional opinion, you are, ... eh.... unsuckable ! thumbup
Nice to see you still have humor thumbup, J t T seems to have lost it somewhere during responding to this topic. slapfight
Nah. I think he got lucky. spot1
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I did get lucky small Pee. I get to have a big laugh at you and dB. Seems I'm not alone. Good luck in your forum retirement crazydance
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I did get lucky small Pee. I get to have a big laugh at you and dB. Seems I'm not alone. Good luck in your forum retirement crazydance
So we're laughing at eachother? Nice. thumbup
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Dear Pee Nuu,
you appear to have all the answers. Please inform us , Oh great one , as to the correct way.........we are all ears!
I might have the answers or not, John. As I don't confess to have all the answers, more opinion and punditry. And those opinions are likely to counter what passes for convention.....what most are easily sucked into, without challenge or question or curiosity. I'm just a humble cunt. For "the answers" you'll have to consort with a higher source that might not offend or threaten your sensibilities.
SO while we all get 'sucked into conventional opinion, you are, ... eh.... unsuckable ! thumbup
Nice to see you still have humor thumbup, J t T seems to have lost it somewhere during responding to this topic. slapfight
My sense of Humour is firmly intact. F@#king thing gets me in enough trouble anyway.
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Naaaaa dB I still have a sense of humour otherwise I wouldn't read your diatribe swordfight
Riggerds
JT
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As we say in America "You can take my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands."
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:D :D :D
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This topic came up last night in a conversational group which included a couple of Yanks,,,Such self centred arrogance made them both look a pair of right twats
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Gun control means hitting your target.
The 2nd Amendment of the USA Constitution was put in so citizens could protect themselves from Government.
An armed person is a citizen, an unarmed person is a subject.
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Why wasn't I a Fisherman??
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I have always thought of my guns as hunting equipment or a hobby when target shooting.
Sorry Urleft, but I never understood the rationale that you need to protect yourself against your own government. If you need a gun for that, then there is something seriously wrong with your system of government.
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Or something serious wrong in your (gun)culture.
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I have always thought of my guns as hunting equipment or a hobby when target shooting.
Sorry Urleft, but I never understood the rationale that you need to protect yourself against your own government. If you need a gun for that, then there is something seriously wrong with your system of government.
The founders of my country recognized that evil men exist, and prey on the stupid. The put clauses in our constitution to ensure we can remain a armed society, to protect ourselves.
The vast majority of time, guns are not required. But what do you do when evil men get in power and control the courts and police? That can happen in any country.
So we have guns, just in case my GVT goes bonkers. What are the chances of your country making the people subjects?
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I have always thought of my guns as hunting equipment or a hobby when target shooting.
Sorry Urleft, but I never understood the rationale that you need to protect yourself against your own government. If you need a gun for that, then there is something seriously wrong with your system of government.
The founders of my country recognized that evil men exist, and prey on the stupid. The put clauses in our constitution to ensure we can remain a armed society, to protect ourselves.
The vast majority of time, guns are not required. But what do you do when evil men get in power and control the courts and police? That can happen in any country.
So we have guns, just in case my GVT goes bonkers. What are the chances of your country making the people subjects?
We already are, but nobody is starting shooting them. So if you don't like Obama and say he's evil you're allowed to shoot him?
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LOL Funny.
If you look at the founders of my country, most did not fare well taking on the British.
So when the GVT crosses the line, there is recourse, however, I would not expect to survive it.
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_a978c23a-a40f-5d0a-a203-76b88ac67e86.html?mode=story (http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_a978c23a-a40f-5d0a-a203-76b88ac67e86.html?mode=story)
Not sure if my GVT is crossing the line.
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I have always thought of my guns as hunting equipment or a hobby when target shooting.
Sorry Urleft, but I never understood the rationale that you need to protect yourself against your own government. If you need a gun for that, then there is something seriously wrong with your system of government.
The founders of my country recognized that evil men exist, and prey on the stupid. The put clauses in our constitution to ensure we can remain a armed society, to protect ourselves.
The vast majority of time, guns are not required. But what do you do when evil men get in power and control the courts and police? That can happen in any country.
So we have guns, just in case my GVT goes bonkers. What are the chances of your country making the people subjects?
Not much chance of the government in my country making the people subjects. Traditionally, we don't really take too much notice of what the stupid f@#kers say anyway. In any case, the IMF are running the show in Ireland now, more power to them.
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Urleft: I'm not having a pop at America or anything, its just different in my country. The Government in my country can't really subject the people like the way you suggest. We have about 7 different political parties, and usually have a few independant TD's (ministers of parliment) and almost every Government so far has been a coalition, so no overriding single power. We have a president that can dissolve the government and a senate made up of mostly acedemics to citique the government. With a long history of hungerstriking, passive dissobedience and the origins of the word boycott, we are not an easy people to subject, even without guns. Although the last lot did almost bankrupt us so maybe you have a point, but that was more their stupidity and ineptness than anything else.
By the way Urleft, the founders of my country didn't do much better against the English either . . .the first time around. We got there in the end though.
Anyway, Evil men always get into power they are called Politicians.
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The reason for US gun culture:
http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/woman-i-shot-him-951065.html?cxtype=rss_news_128746 (http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/woman-i-shot-him-951065.html?cxtype=rss_news_128746)
“I was in the shower and the lights cut out in my house,” the sobbing woman said moments after she shot and killed Puentes on May 11.“This man came at me with a hood on. And he had a knife in his hand.”
He forced her into her bedroom, she later told police, and that is where she retrieved her gun.
“I shot him as much as I could,” said the woman. “I shot him with a .22 but he just kept running.
"He was going to rape me, kill me.
Her mistake was not having a larger caliber, but it did work. The USA problem is that with over 300 million people, there are going to be preverts, rapists, degenerates and all around bad people. Having a gun can equalize a woman to a 200 pound man.
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The reason for US gun culture:
Her mistake was not having a larger caliber, but it did work. The USA problem is that with over 300 million people, there are going to be preverts, rapists, degenerates and all around bad people. Having a gun can equalize a woman to a 200 pound man.
Thats fair enough, I suppose. I can understand that.
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But where is the line, can you shoot to kill when someone is tresspassing, when he is stealing of you, when he tries to kill you, explane .
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Inside Anti-Obama Extremist Gun Culture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PShXcq-Fs#)
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But where is the line, can you shoot to kill when someone is tresspassing, when he is stealing of you, when he tries to kill you, explane .
I would say to protect yourself and your family is adequate justification. If you catch someone in your house, you confront him/her and rather than run away they go for you, then its you or them, so f'@#k them they're dead. I would consider the 'line' to be when yours or your families life is at risk. I don't have a gun for that reason and personally, I would probably go for my hurley or a baseball bat first if it was just one intruder or whatever. If a guy broke into my house, he would just be very unlucky that I was armed (Gun ownership is very scarce in my country). But I would have no hesitation killing someone to protect my family and I wouldn't cry for him afterward either.
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I agree. thumbup
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We actually agree on something Den Buut thumbup It's a start.
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love6 yeahme love6
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Never thought i'd see the day.......but me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I always thought we all could get along just fine, hope to meet meet you in the (near) future. happybar
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Inside Anti-Obama Extremist Gun Culture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PShXcq-Fs#)
These people are complete morrons, don't know anyting about politics, only know guns. Obama a Marxist? You are really dumb if you think so. Democrats in the USA are way more right winged as right winged parties in Europe. I cannot believe those people are real.
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Inside Anti-Obama Extremist Gun Culture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PShXcq-Fs#)
These people are complete morrons, don't know anyting about politics, only know guns. Obama a Marxist? You are really dumb if you think so.Democrats in the USA are way more right winged as right winged parties in Europe. I cannot believe those people are real.
So just imagine how left wing the European parties in Europe. Is it any good for your opinion?! hahaha
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I also cannot believe those people are real, treehugging hippies they are. wildman
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It has been reported that a 380 to the cranial cavity of a treehugger (very small target) will end their demonstration. I personally prefer the shotgun birdshot method, their screams are better.
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I was headed out today, and was trying to pick just the right accessory for a Sunday Afternoon drive: crazydance
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Got this today. What is really amazing is that during the fall season in America, there are litterally millions of armed men in the woods, and very few people killed there.
The world's largest army... America 's hunters!
I had never thought about this....
A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of
states and arrived at a striking conclusion:
There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of
Wisconsin .
Allow me to restate that number.
Over the last several months, Wisconsin 's hunters became the eighth
largest army in the world.
More men under arms than in Iran .
More than in France and Germany combined.
These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt
with firearms, and no one was killed.
That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods
of Pennsylvania and Michigan 's 700,000 hunters,all of whom have now
returned home.
Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally
establishes the fact thatthe hunters of those four states alone would
comprise the largest army in the world.The point?
America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of
home-grown firepower.
Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of
national security.
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That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us
disarmed.
Food for thought when next we consider gun control.
The world's largest army
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When I lived in Ireland I used to go shooting mainly rabbits, pigeons, ducks, and owned a 12 bore db shotgun.
I emptied the lead out of a couple of cartridges and filled them with coarse salt just in case anyone tried to break in. whistle
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Read some cases in past few years where in England someone would break in, the homeowner met them with a loaded gun. The police then arrested the homeowner, are he was later convicted for having a gun.
Does Ireland have the same restrictions?
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Read some cases in past few years where in England someone would break in, the homeowner met them with a loaded gun. The police then arrested the homeowner, are he was later convicted for having a gun.
Does Ireland have the same restrictions?
It was a long time ago so I am not sure what the situation is now.
I had a firearms certificate for the shotgun so I was legally entitled to posses it
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There has been an increase in the number of elderly farmers getting mugged and robbed in their homes (one died alone tied to a chair, big news nationally), there was a case of a burglar who fell running away for the homeowner and successully sued the owner for compensation. Then, a while back a farmer living alone shot one of two guys sneaking around his farm with his shotgun and killed him (turned out the guy had previous convictions for robbery ,etc.) but the farmer went to jail because of the current laws, since then there has been great discussion in Ireland about the law in relation to this. Before this the term 'reasonable means of defence' did not include killing the intruder in defence of your property only in defence of life, which was very hard to prove until they tied you up or shot at you. New laws are in the process of being finalised to properly define self defence, lethal intentional force, etc. But in general people are pissed off and want to at least be able to beat the shit out of a burglar if they catch them. And if an elderly person/couple living isolated in the countryside find someone breaking into their house, then they should f@#kin shoot them after shouting a warning. We await the legislation with bated breath.
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Partisan views on gun controlQuestion: How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans, and Southern Republicans?
The answer can be found by posing the following problem:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.
Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges.
You are carrying a Glock and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?
Democrat's Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think?
What about the kids?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?
Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into it?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me and not my family?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
Should I call 9-1-1?
Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint and gardening day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing!
I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.
Republican's Answer:
BANG!
Southern Republican's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Click...(sounds of reloading).
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Here we go again ,another gun toting Yank runs amok in a Womens Hairdressers,,,,Lets wait to see the pathetic replies/excuses roll in
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Here we go again ,another gun toting Yank runs amok in a Womens Hairdressers,,,,Lets wait to see the pathetic replies/excuses roll in
Eight Killed In US Hair Salon Shooting (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/six-killed-california-hair-salon-shooting-233219180.html)
Eight people have been killed and one is critically injured after a gunman opened fire in a packed hairdresser's in California.
The shooter reportedly had several weapons and was wearing body armour, although this has not been confirmed.
Police said a man was arrested without incident a short time after the attack in the small town of Seal Beach, 30 miles south of Los Angeles.
Six were initially reported dead but the figure later rose to eight.
Officers are not looking for anyone else in connection with the shooting on Wednesday afternoon. The motive is still unclear.
Police responded to a 911 call reporting gunfire at the salon.
A police spokesman said: "Upon arrival we found six confirmed deceased people, along with three critically injured parties, which were transported to a local hospital.
"The officers identified the (suspect's) vehicle as it was leaving the location.
"They followed it and made a traffic stop and took the driver into custody."
Police are investigating what links, if any, the gunman had to the salon.
"At this point in time we do not know what he said, or if he said anything at all during the shooting or what his relationship with this salon (was)," the spokesman said
:wacko: loco
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The difference is Switzerland itself doesn't solve their problems by destroying countries, so that's a big difference in culture.
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The difference is Switzerland itself doesn't solve their problems by destroying countries, so that's a big difference in culture.
Just to point out: Switzerland helps destroy enough coutries by taking care of corrupt despot leader's and drug barons with anonimous swiss bank accounts (Padlo Escabar, Col. Gadaffi, Charles Taylor) and facilitating them with a confidential banking facility which allows them to side step official sanctions.
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That can be true, but I ment they don't bomb countries to put their will on them, and that's what Americans see as normal, be aggressive, shoot your oponent.
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That can be true, but I ment they don't bomb countries to put their will on them, and that's what Americans see as normal, be aggressive, shoot your oponent.
That is true, and we are very good at it.
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Dear Krok, the world is full of guns. All of them manufactured by governments for financial gain.
Occasionally we hear of bad things happening. Considering the amount of guns in private hands on this planet the incidences are small. As to large scale use of fire arms we are lucky that the only super power left (USA) exhibits the fine control that it does. I shudder to think what the world would be like if Uncle Joe Stalin or the detestable Adolf were still around! Weapons are a fact of life. Most of them are in the hands of disciplined, well trained people.
John
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Ah Well, I suppose this is a good time to mention I am picking up my new rifle this weekend. Just waiting for a little custom work to be completed in the shop and Off I go. Recently got my first Deer hunting License (hard to get in Gun paranoid Ireland), so hopefully its venison dinner this Sunday.
Does that make me a Gun-crazed, potentially murderous sycho, .. or do I need to be American to obtain that label ?
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The six top producers of arms in the world are USA, UK, France ,Russia,Israel and China
The United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China – are also the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council.
How about that then ?
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exactly right Jon
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Stop on.
The countries spouting the most about peace, sell the most weapons of war.
Like everything else, its a business.
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Shoot um up :laugh:
http://www.miniclip.com/games/trapshoot/en/
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What guns are made for ............ getting Dinner !!!
When I brought this home my wife was straight on the phone to her Dad telling him how big the doe was, and how much meat was on the Deer in Ireland. I felt about ten feet tall. MY Inner caveman was well satisfied.
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I have several guns I am trying to bring to Thailand, these include:
Glock .40 cal pistol
Rugar Security Six .357 Magnum
Winchester 12 gauge pump Shotgun
Winchester .22 cal rifle
RWS .177 Air Rifle
.177 air pistol
Plus I would like to buy and bring:
Rugar .410/45Cal pistol
Desert Eaggle .50 Cal
Colt .45 Auto
And these are for my shooting pleasure. If I had extra money the .50 Cal Barrett rifle would be on that list.
"Gun control means hitting your target"
52 millions gun owners in America committed no crimes today.
usaflag
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I don't think a Farang can get a firearm licence in Thailand, it has to be in your wife or father-in-law's name. But I found a very helpful guy (Ex. police I think) that works in the Gun shop near coffee connection in Buriram. He can also arrange 'day visits' to the military firing range near Buriram. He did say that licence's for handguns and shotguns are easy enough for a Thai national, but any rifle over a .22 calibre is almost impossible unless your job necessitates it (paramilitary ranger, border patrol, wildlife ranger), but I suppose this also probably depends on Tea Money levels.
I have a 0.243 (as in the photo), when I explained the calibre size to him and asked if I could bring it over to Thailand, he just laughed.
Considering a Barrett50 would nearly reach Cambodia from Buriram, I'd say you may be pushing your luck on that one. You could always come to an arrangement with an Army Officer to keep the guns locked up on the base if you are only going to use them for target shooting. But I would be worried that your guns would end up as part of a murder investigation later on. [HEADLINES: Army Colonel's unfaithful wife shot by mystery gun].
If you can get a licence for a rifle up to .22, then one way around that limit would be to get a 0.220 swift, which is still technically a .22 ..(its just ten times bigger). It's also a nice flat shooting round with decent mid-long range capabilities. I had a Rem700 in 22 swift for many years for fox control.
Best of luck. And please let me know how you get on trying to get them to Thailand. I may do the same in a few more grey hairs.
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Urleft: I posted this photo of my previous target rifle, a Rem 700 police tactical in 0.220 swift. Composite polymer stock, Wildcat Silencer, bushnell scope, Harris bipods, aftermarket heavy varmint bull barrel and I glass bedded the action. Absolute tack-driver out to 500 yards. This rifle got me around a similar .22 restriction in Ireland for years until they changed the law. Sorry to see it go, but I had to upgrade to a more powerful rifle to meet the new requirements to hunt deer in Ireland. Its an odd old american round (as you probably know), but a rifle like this would meet the Thai .22 restriction, but as a flat shooting centrefire round it gives you the decent range and up to 60 grains stopping power (available from Sako and Hornady), more than enough to stop anything you can legally hunt in Thailand. A prefect medium range target rifle. If you were seriously thinking of a Barrett 50 cal. you would save about €7,000 to go for a Rem Sendero in 0.22 swift and still hit targets at 600 - 700 yards and you wouldn't piss off the local boys in brown (licence in your wife's name, ofcourse).
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I have not really made any effort to import my guns, but I am working several angles such as maybe getting an embassy job. But I may also pursue the .22 cal option.
However, there is just something awesome about large caliber weapons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUSo6ehRCHI
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I have several guns I am trying to bring to Thailand, these include:
Glock .40 cal pistol
Rugar Security Six .357 Magnum
Winchester 12 gauge pump Shotgun
Winchester .22 cal rifle
RWS .177 Air Rifle
.177 air pistol
Plus I would like to buy and bring:
Rugar .410/45Cal pistol
Desert Eaggle .50 Cal
Colt .45 Auto
And these are for my shooting pleasure. If I had extra money the .50 Cal Barrett rifle would be on that list.
"Gun control means hitting your target"
52 millions gun owners in America committed no crimes today.
usaflag
Why do you want to bring that sort of arsenal into Thailand for you goose What are you looking to invade the place brick1
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Well at last The 'neighbourhood watch' guy has been charged with 2nd degree murder....WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
After just reading the previous threads .........
Urleft ,I seriously think you have a serious problem.........Maybe 'a couple of bricks short of a load'!!
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Why do you want to bring that sort of arsenal into Thailand for you goose What are you looking to invade the place brick1
Well at last The 'neighbourhood watch' guy has been charged with 2nd degree murder....WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
After just reading the previous threads .........
Urleft ,I seriously think you have a serious problem.........Maybe 'a couple of bricks short of a load'!!
Everyone has hobbies, I would like to collect guns. I happen to like shooting and appreciate a fine weapon. I have a lifetime hunting license in the USA, but have not been hunting for over 15 years, not really my thing. I had a concealed weapon license for 30 years until I let it lapse coming here. Last year went through several boxes of ammo at the skeet range (need some practice), and would like to get a well made over/under with different gauge barrels.
So I own weapons, fire them occasionally, but don't go around killing things. In the US we have the 2nd Amendment which is there to allow citizens to own weapons. However, there is a large group of individuals that are trying to take away the rights to own guns, I intent to keep my guns.
Unfortunately there are criminal elements that are used to give gun owners a bad name, what is usual in criminal cases is that the guns used were obtained illegally and/or the individuals were illegally possessing the weapons.
In the states I am a legal gun owner, obey the laws, and do not harm anyone. I have taught gun safety, conducted range firings, and have personally fired thousands or rounds. With over 27 years of military experience with weapons, I have never had a injury, death, or even an abnormal incident in any of my training.
I now reside in Thailand and would like to bring some of my weapons here, but to date have not actively worked the issues. I will respect the laws of this country as I am a guest here.
So not sure what serious problems I have other than a live and let live philosophy and believe that as long as you aren't hurting anyone or trying to inflict youself on me, I really don't care what you do.
As for Zimmerman (the neighborhood watch guy), I do not know if he is guilty, and there are at least 2 sides to every story. For example, the dead guy was out in the rain supposedly to go to 7-11 to get some skittles. Skittles aka dxm, and sometimes known as ecstasy, so was this teenager that was suspended from school for drugs out getting drugs? There is a lot of misinformation, distortions, outright lies, and race baiting associated with this incident. I just hope justice is done and if Zimmerman (who is Hispanic) gets a fair trial and if guilty, get what he deserves.
Here are some other pictures you may not have seen:
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Well at last The 'neighbourhood watch' guy has been charged with 2nd degree murder....WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
Since Nookie knows all, I am sure he knew this also:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/think-you-...the-perception/
Think You Know George Zimmerman? This New Timeline and Profile Could Change the Perception (and the Case)
When the Trayvon Martin case first started garnering national attention, there were many that thought they knew who George Zimmerman was: an overzealous racist with a vendetta against young black men who was on a mission to assert power with his gun. But then little details started emerging, such as pictures of Zimmerman’s bloody head that could bolster his self-defense claim; CNN even backtracked and said the tape it once suggested showed Zimmerman uttering a racist slur was actually him most likely saying it was “cold.”
And now, Reuters has put together a detailed profile of Zimmerman that seems to suggest he was a concerned citizen that was trying to help fix his community and those in it reeling from recent crime. He was a compassionate neighbor, it seems, not a lunatic with a gun.
“During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black,” Reuters reports. “After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old.
“But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman’s past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.” [Emphasis added]
So what does it show? For starters, it was an animal control officer who told Zimmerman he should get a gun after a pit bull was menacing him and his wife. His friends, however, never even knew he had a firemarm until about two months ago. And, Reuters says, “He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather – the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.”
Business Insider put together some chronological bullet points highlighting the article’s most important points:
•Zimmerman grew up in a mixed-race household
•He was an altar boy at his Caltholic church from age 7-17
•He is bilingual
•After he finished high school, he studied for and got an insurance license
•In 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend opened an Allstate insurance office (which soon failed)
•Zimmerman’s 2005 arrest for “resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer” occurred after he shoved an under-cover alcohol control agent at a bar when the agent was trying to arrest an underage friend of his
•Zimmerman married his wife, Shellie, in 2007. They rented a house in Twin Lakes. Twin Lakes is about 50% white, 20% Hispanic, and 20% black.
•In 2009, Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College
•In the fall of 2009, a pit bull broke free twice and once cornered Shellie in the Zimmermans’ yard. George Zimmerman asked a police officer whether he should buy pepper spray. The cop told him pepper spray wasn’t fast enough and recommended that he get a gun.
•By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes “was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins.” In several of the cases, witnesses said the robbers were young black men
•In July 2011, a black teenager stole a bicycle off the Zimmermans’ porch
•In August of 2011, a neighbor of the Zimmermans, Olivia Bertalan, was home during the day when two young black men entered her house. She hid in a room upstairs and called the police. When the police arrived, the two men, who had been trying to take a TV, fled. One of them ran through the Zimmermans’ yard.
•After the break-in, George Zimmerman stopped by the Bertalans and gave Olivia a card with his name and number on it. He told her to visit his wife Shellie if she felt unsafe.
•The police recommended that Bertalan get a dog. She moved away instead. Zimmerman got a second dog–a Rottweiler.
•In September, several concerned residents of the neighborhood, including Zimmerman, asked the neighborhood association to create a neighborhood watch. Zimmerman was asked to run it.
•In the next month, two more houses in the neighborhood were robbed.
•A community newsletter reminded residents to report any crimes to the police and then call “George Zimmerman, our captain.”
•On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman spotted a young black man looking into the windows of a neighbor’s empty house. He called the police and said “I don‘t know what he’s doing. I don’t want to approach him, personally.” The police sent a car, but by the time they arrived, the man was gone.
•On February 6th, another house was burglarized. Witnesses said two of the robbers were black teenagers. One, who had prior burglary convictions, was soon caught with a laptop stolen from the house.
•Two weeks later, Zimmerman spotted Travyon Martin and called the police. The last time he had done this, the suspect got away. This time, he disregarded police instructions and followed. A few minutes later, Martin was dead.
Is it possible that Zimmerman is an angry racist? It is. But as Business Insider wonders, “doesn’t it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?”
To again quote Nookie: We all know dont we!!
No, I don't know, WTF are you talking about?
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In the 1960's in a small town in New Jersey, I was a member of the Auxiliary Police. We were sworn, wore uniforms, carried .38 police specials, and patrolled the business district at night in pairs. We also did much of the mundane police work, like directing traffic at highly attended events, patrolling high school dances, looking for lost children, and controlling crime and accident scenes, leaving the more important police work to the small squad of 30 regulars. I was warned that, if I actually shot anybody wuth the pistol, even in self defense, I would likely be prosecuted, but at least I would be alive to defend myself. I was advised to leave the first chamber of the revolver empty. In the eight years I lived in that town I never once heard of an AP officer firing his pistol. I was also involved in setting up recreation programs for neighborhood kids, so, when my mother's house was robbed while she was shopping, we knew within 10 minutes of getting home who had broken in. I suspect Zimmerman operated under a similar mandate. I hope the events of that situation are as he describes them and that they lead to his acquittal, not so much for his sake, as for his community. His conviction is certain to lead to a reduction in participation in Community Watch volunteers.
With the number of people supporting both sides of the issue, I think Zimmerman will get a fair trial and the outcome will be worked out in the court, not the press. I won't make a judgment because the U.S.A. of 1965 is a lot different from the U.S.A. of today and I am not there today.
BTW: To Urleft: good job on the photo doctoring. Too little has been said about the news media presenting the accused photos in a manner that makes them look more suspicious.
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Have some additional pictures to include the back of Zimmerman's head when the police got there:
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And just got this one:
chairhit
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52 millions gun owners in America committed no crimes today.
How many did?
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Urleft you need to have a close look at yourself,,,,,Let me give you something else to chew on....Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
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Maybe others should take a close look at themselves:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.
Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying out armed patrols on some streets.
The move means officers armed with sub-machine guns are engaged in routine policing for the first time.
Shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling, said last night: 'In areas dominated by gang culture, we're now seeing guns used to settle scores between rivals as well as turf wars between rival drug dealers.
'We need to redouble our efforts to deal with the challenge.'
He added: 'These figures are all the more alarming given that it is only a week since the Metropolitan Police said it was increasing regular armed patrols in some areas of the capital'.
And as far as "Anyone who isnt American knows why!!" When I asked a local Thai the response was "Who is Trayvon?" Wish I was smart enough to be able to speak for everyone in the World that is not American. Might want to look to yourself Nookie and stop being so bigoted.
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Maybe others should take a close look at themselves:
Maybe they should....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
How bad is gun crime in the US? The latest data from the FBI's uniform crime reports is out and it provides a fascinating picture of the use of firearms in crimes across America.
At the beginning of the year the shooting spree in Tucson, Arizona, that targeted congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords left six dead, including a nine-year-old child. But since then, the issue has been given scant attention.
However, the figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 600 murders per year. In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.
The FBI crime statistics are based on reports to FBI bureau and local law enforcement. The figures are not complete - there are no stats for Florida on firearm murders and the data for Illinois is "incomplete". But even so it provides a detailed picture of attacks by state.
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The number 1 cause of death and injury in the world is traffic accidents, makes gun deaths start to be insignificant by comparison.
We need to ban all cars, trucks and scooters for safety. Note that vehicles and drivers are already licensed, and it is not working.
http://autos.aol.com/article/road-deaths-a-global-epidemic-on-par-with-diseases-says-new-r/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing8%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D158389
Road Deaths A Global 'Epidemic' On Par With Diseases, Says New Report
Traffic fatalities are the No. 1 killer of young people
Every six seconds, someone is killed or seriously injured in a traffic accident. Every day, 3,500 people are killed in car crashes.
That means traffic fatalities are a global epidemic on par with malaria and tuberculosis, according to a new report issued by the Campaign for Global Road Safety.
"The epidemic has reached crisis proportions," wrote Kevin Watkins, a Brookings Institute researcher who authored the report, and the problem is "set to worse over the years ahead."
There are 1.3 million annual global road deaths, and they are the No. 1 global cause of deaths of young people ages 10 to 24. Approximately 260,000 children die in car accidents annually, according to the World Health Organization.
Air pollution also kills an estimated 1.3 million people each year, according to the report, and 70 to 90 percent of fatal pollutants, such as carbon monoxide and sulphur dioxide, originate from automotive traffic, the report says.
"There are no surprises or hidden magic bullets for tackling the road traffic injury crisis," Watkins writes. "Vehicles need to be separated from vulnerable road users, such as pedestrians and cyclists."
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The argument about global traffic deaths is irrelevant to the discussion of crimes committed with guns in America. Of the 3500 global deaths each day, 3400 could occur in Thailand, perhaps Bangkok alone, and the Philippines or elsewhere.
I have this recurring dream. In it, I enter a convention center where members of the NRA (of which I myself was once a member) are meeting. I go to the podium, lift up my beautifully crafted aluminum (“aluminium”) attaché case, open it, and turn it to the audience to reveal its contents: a small yield nuclear device, fully armed and capable of taking out all of South Pattaya (although who would notice?).
Would people be horrified? Would they panic and run over each other for the nearest, yet unfinished fallout shelter? Damn right they would. Why would people be so adamant about keeping guns if they are not so easily frightened? And we Americans do frighten easily, witness weapons of mass destruction, Taliban, and Homeland Security. Compare for example the response of the Londoners and the blitz to the response of the Americans and the twin towers. Or the Russians and Stalingrad to the Americans and Pearl Harbor (spelled without the “u” because it is a proper noun and not subject to transliteration no matter how British you are).
The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not mention guns, or muskets, or even knives, it says arms, a lovely generic term that extends far beyond guns and bayonets and grenades and fertilizer; to wit: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” See? Nothing about guns, nothing about nuclear weapons. But I think we can agree that, by definition, nuclear weapons and guns are ARMS. So, Urleft, if someone like me moves into your neighborhood whose hobby is making small nuclear arms, how strongly will your defense be of the right to bear ARMS?
Mahatma Gandhi wrote The Seven Blunders of the World. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Blunders_of_the_World)
But it was his grandson, Arun, who wrote the eighth and most important, “Rights without responsibilities.” Whenever Americans protest in favor of their rights, the term responsibility is always conspicuous by its absence.
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NOW, to our American cousins in Europe who enjoy being critical of American gun laws, I ask you to look at your own laws which keep your unarmed officials responsible for the security and the safety of its citizenry from having the same power as those who would obstruct that safety and security. I envision a scenario where a constable in a neatly starched uniform and sporting a florid waxed moustache comes upon a random shootout between a couple of Asian gangs in White Chapel. He waves his night stick around and calls out, “Right! Enough of the shooting. Let’s all put away our guns, pick up our dead and go home. There’s a good lad.” Sound ludicrous? It’s no more ludicrous than the reality. I think the best description of this policy comes from a line by one of John Cleese’s characters in “Life of Brian.” He describes Eric Idles character who wants to be called Loretta and make babies. “He’s got a problem with reality.” The U.K. truly has a problem with reality.
Why do you think we have these problems? Why are London and Los Angeles full of western Asians, Africans, and Latinos who have no compunction against forming gangs and stealing and killing their way to fortune? Because the people in the West want to be good guys. We want to be liked, maybe even loved. Americans certainly do. To a lesser extent, perhaps, so do the Brits, although they would leap to deny it. Witness Kipling. We like to relate to the invitation etched at the base of the Statue of Liberty,
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Usually we think about only the first two lines. The problem is that we and the U.K. do not get “the homeless, tempest-tost…” We get the criminals. The homeless, tempest-tost cannot afford to get to the U.S. or the U.K; even Mexicans and South and Central Americans who have to pay a small fortune to travel hundreds of miles in airless vans or crawl through precipitous tunnels under borders. Some of them survive, but not all.
It will not be until Americans come to the realization that the world is a wee different today from the way it was in 1789; it will not be until the British-American Empire accepts the reality that the immigrants to their respective countries are eroding the very values that brought them there; that these countries will take steps to make the cultural and legal changes that will save them. It won’t be in my time.
My advice: Learn to speak Chinese and/or Spanish. Meanwhile, it is not more weapons we need but more detection of weapons.
One more word to Urleft: When the citizens of a country have to bear arms to protect themselves, this is a failed country.
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The number 1 cause of death and injury in the world is traffic accidents, makes gun deaths start to be insignificant by comparison.
We need to ban all cars, trucks and scooters for safety. Note that vehicles and drivers are already licensed, and it is not working.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Not only do people in the USA like to kill themselves with guns as compared to the UK (10.27 per 100k v .46 for England and Wales)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
They also like to kill themselves with their cars too (12.3 per 100K v 3.6)
Interesting to see that there is a massive difference between the two ratios - 10.27 / 0.46 for gun related deaths compared with 12.3 / 3/6 for traffic related deaths. I wonder why that is ?
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I have this recurring dream. In it, I enter a convention center where members of the NRA (of which I myself was once a member) are meeting. I go to the podium, lift up my beautifully crafted aluminum (“aluminium”) attaché case, open it, and turn it to the audience to reveal its contents: a small yield nuclear device, fully armed and capable of taking out all of South Pattaya (although who would notice?).
Would people be horrified? Would they panic and run over each other for the nearest, yet unfinished fallout shelter? Damn right they would. Why would people be so adamant about keeping guns if they are not so easily frightened? And we Americans do frighten easily, witness weapons of mass destruction, Taliban, and Homeland Security. Compare for example the response of the Londoners and the blitz to the response of the Americans and the twin towers. Or the Russians and Stalingrad to the Americans and Pearl Harbor (spelled without the “u” because it is a proper noun and not subject to transliteration no matter how British you are).
The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not mention guns, or muskets, or even knives, it says arms, a lovely generic term that extends far beyond guns and bayonets and grenades and fertilizer; to wit: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” See? Nothing about guns, nothing about nuclear weapons. But I think we can agree that, by definition, nuclear weapons and guns are ARMS. So, Urleft, if someone like me moves into your neighborhood whose hobby is making small nuclear arms, how strongly will your defense be of the right to bear ARMS?
Yes you are correct, guns are not mentioned, the term arms are used. Using the federlist papers: http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html as a basis for the intent of the framers, arms was what was available in the at the time the constitution was written. The framers never envisoned nuclear weapons. What they envisioned was arms available for individuals to protect themselves.
I am not against all arms control, briefcase nuclear devices are not current technology (but maybe soon). Chemical and Biological agents scare the crap out of me. The needs to be a balance in this control. My gun control stance is best summed up by the events in Tampa:
http://www.examiner.com/article/firearms-possession-law-will-stand-tampa-during-rnc
....At issue lately is an appeal from the Democrat mayor of Tampa Bob Buckhorn to the state's Republican governor Rick Scott to create a temporary order that prevents law-abiding citizens from lawful carry within a designated downtown area that will host the Republican National Convention in August. The request, under no uncertain terms, was denied.
Scott wrote that, while he shared Buckhorn’s concern about violent anti-government protests and other civil unrest, “it is unclear how disarming law-abiding citizens would better protect them from the dangers and threats posed by those who would flout the law" - that it is "at just such times that the constitutional right to self-defense is most precious and must be protected from government overreach,” (a term not cognitively processed in the minds of Democrats)...
The bottom line issue is why should law abiding citizens have their rights denied because of what law breaker do? And owning arms is a right by the US constition.
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The number 1 cause of death and injury in the world is traffic accidents, makes gun deaths start to be insignificant by comparison.
We need to ban all cars, trucks and scooters for safety. Note that vehicles and drivers are already licensed, and it is not working.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Not only do people in the USA like to kill themselves with guns as compared to the UK (10.27 per 100k v .46 for England and Wales)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
They also like to kill themselves with their cars too (12.3 per 100K v 3.6)
Interesting to see that there is a massive difference between the two ratios - 10.27 / 0.46 for gun related deaths compared with 12.3 / 3/6 for traffic related deaths. I wonder why that is ?
Maybe because the UK has about 31 million registered vehicles while the US has over 250 Million registered passanger vehicles, this does not include commercial transportations. It is common in the US for families to have at least one car for each registered driver, not to mention having the additional Harley, work truck, and Man toy (e.g., porsche 911).
There are amost 8 million miles of roads and highways in the US while the UK has less than 90,000 KMs or roads and highways.
Overall, public transportation in the US is lousy, Americans drives their cars and do not largely used public transportation (there are some places this is not true such as NY and SF).
So with 10 times as many vehicles, a vast amount of roads, you can expect to have more accidents.
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This is making good reading.......Urleft you should have been a gravedigger
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This is making good reading.......Urleft you should have been a gravedigger
My dad picked up bodies for the Wayne County (Detroit) Morgue and is a licensed Mortician (this is true). People were always dying to see him. I once found a nose on the dinning room table (my dad's art project). However, I chose a different career path.
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The number 1 cause of death and injury in the world is traffic accidents, makes gun deaths start to be insignificant by comparison.
We need to ban all cars, trucks and scooters for safety. Note that vehicles and drivers are already licensed, and it is not working.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Not only do people in the USA like to kill themselves with guns as compared to the UK (10.27 per 100k v .46 for England and Wales)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
They also like to kill themselves with their cars too (12.3 per 100K v 3.6)
Interesting to see that there is a massive difference between the two ratios - 10.27 / 0.46 for gun related deaths compared with 12.3 / 3/6 for traffic related deaths. I wonder why that is ?
Maybe because the UK has about 31 million registered vehicles while the US has over 250 Million registered passanger vehicles, this does not include commercial transportations. It is common in the US for families to have at least one car for each registered driver, not to mention having the additional Harley, work truck, and Man toy (e.g., porsche 911).
There are amost 8 million miles of roads and highways in the US while the UK has less than 90,000 KMs or roads and highways.
Overall, public transportation in the US is lousy, Americans drives their cars and do not largely used public transportation (there are some places this is not true such as NY and SF).
So with 10 times as many vehicles, a vast amount of roads, you can expect to have more accidents.
So the UK has 344.444 cars per kilometre. The US has only 31.25.
The Americans must be really bad drivers. All that room and you still crash into each other. swordfight
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Too true, I have a couple of rifles myself, doesn't mean I'm gonna go out to kill people. The only problem i have with Guns in the States is how easy you can get hold of one (in some states). Free shotgun when you open a bank account in one bank in a certain state and ammunition for sale over the counter in wallmart without having to show a gun licence. There should at least be some kind of check on the way to a gun.
I agree with you. There are states who imposes gun ban but there are states that you can easily get a gun without the need of a cash advance (https://personalmoneynetwork.com/cash-advance/). I understand that having a gun of your own is a mean to protect yourself but some people abused the freedom to hold one. That's why i don't even wonder why the crime rate is not going down.
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Well, here's an Amercan Gun Culture we can probably agree on:
http://secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com/2012/05/federal-appeals-courts-continue-ruling.html
Federal Appeals Courts Say Illegal Aliens Have No 2nd Amendment Gun Rights
Emmanuel Huitron–Guizar entered a conditional guilty plea to being an illegal alien in possession of firearms. He was sentenced to 18 months in prison, and then will be deported when he finishes the sentence.
According to the Court's opinion, “Mr. Huitron–Guizar was born in Mexico and brought to Wyoming at age three. In March 2011, officers executed a warrant on his home and discovered three firearms—a 7.62x39mm rifle, a 12–gauge semi-automatic shotgun, and a Smith & Wesson semi-automatic pistol. They learned from his sister that Mr. Huitron–Guizar, now 24 years old, was, unlike her, not a U.S. citizen.”1
He argued to the Court that his conviction for illegal possession of firearms violated his “Second Amendment Rights” as interpreted by the Heller decision that the, “Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm, unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, like self-defense within the home.”1
The Court pointed out to Mr. Huitron-Guizar that, “…no right is absolute. The right to bear arms, however venerable, is qualified by what one might call the “who,” “what,” “where,” “when,” and “why.” For instance, it is unlawful to knowingly receive guns with obliterated serial numbers… A juvenile, with some exceptions, cannot possess a handgun…. An airline passenger may not carry aboard a concealed firearm …Nor may a drug dealer use or carry a weapon to protect his stash…” 1
The Court then turned its attention to the Gun Control Act of 1968 saying, “…amended Gun Control Act of 1968, forbids gun possession by nine classes of individuals: felons, fugitives, addicts or users of controlled substances, the mentally ill, illegal and non-immigrant aliens, the dishonorably discharged, renouncers of their citizenship, those subject to court orders for harassing, stalking, or threatening intimate partners or their children, and those convicted for misdemeanor domestic violence. No Second Amendment challenge since Heller to any of these provisions has succeeded.” 1 They then informed him that the illegal alien firearms prohibition was upheld by the 5th Circuit last year.
Huitron–Guizar agreed that, “… those guilty of serious crimes and the mentally ill are sensibly stripped of firearms they might otherwise lawfully keep. Yet he wonders what it is about aliens that permits Congress to impose what he considers a similar disability?”1
The Court said this about Alien’s rights. “Mere lawful presence in the country creates an implied assurance of safe conduct and gives him certain rights; they become more extensive and secure when he makes preliminary declaration of intention to become a citizen, and they expand to those of full citizenship upon naturalization.This ascending scale of constitutional rights is elaborate. An alien outside the country has fewer rights than one within, e.g., an alien held at the border has no right to a deportation hearing. ..An unlawfully present alien has fewer rights than one lawfully here; an illegal alien generally has no right to assert a selective-enforcement claim to thwart deportation. A lawful alien here fewer than five years can be denied enrollment in Medicare, unlike one here for, say, a decade... A temporary resident alien has fewer rights than a permanent resident alien; the former, for example, may be barred from making campaign contributions…Likewise, a lawful permanent resident has fewer rights than a citizen, since a state can form a citizens-only police force. ..Finally, one right is limited to natural born citizens: eligibility to run for president.”1
What it came down to was, “The line separating lawful and unlawful aliens is often as bright as that between aliens and citizens.” That, and the fact that, “Federal statutes that classify based on alienage need only a rational basis; they flow from plenary powers over admission, exclusion, naturalization, national security, and foreign relations.”1
Finding the law denying gun rights to Illegal Aliens Constitutional on a "Rational Basis" simply meant that the Government had to show to the Court that the law was rationally connected to its objective. This is the least strict way to interpret a law’s Constitutionality.
The Court closed the door completely on Illegal aliens’ gun rights here by saying,“That Congress saw fit to exclude illegal aliens from carrying guns may indicate its belief, entitled to our respect, that such aliens, as a class, possess no such constitutional right.”1
1 UNITED STATES v. HUITRON GUIZARUNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff–Appellee, v. Emmanuel HUITRON–GUIZAR, Defendant–Appellant. No. 11–8051.-- May 07, 2012
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And some American Gun Humor:
You may have heard on the news about a southern California man put under 72-hour psychiatric observation when it was found he owned 100 guns and allegedly had (by rough estimate) 100,000 rounds of ammunition stored in his home. The house also featured a secret escape tunnel.
My favorite quote from the dimwit television reporter: “Wow! He has about a quarter million machine gun bullets.” The headline referred to it as a “massive weapons cache”.
By southern California standards someone owning 100,000 rounds would be called “mentally unstable”. Just imagine if he lived elsewhere:
In Arizona , he’d be called “an avid gun collector”.
In Texas , he’d be called “a novice gun collector”.
In Utah , he’d be called “moderately well prepared”, but they’d probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of stored food.
In Montana , he’d be called “The neighborhood ‘Go-To’ guy”.
In Idaho , he’d be called “a likely gubernatorial candidate”.
In Wyoming , he’d be called “an eligible bachelor”.
In Wisconsin , he’d be called “a deer hunting buddy”.
And, in Alabama , we just call him “Bubba or Urleft”.
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Urleft you need to have a close look at yourself,,,,,Let me give you something else to chew on....Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
Well as more evidence comes public, I get more and more confused on why Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
George Zimmerman had a broken nose, two black eyes and two cuts on his scalp the day after he killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin, medical records indicate.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/05/16/Report-Zimmerman-had-broken-nose/UPI-36141337151600/#ixzz1vEPnjKvA (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/05/16/Report-Zimmerman-had-broken-nose/UPI-36141337151600/#ixzz1vEPnjKvA)
Travon (the victim) had drugs on his system:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/18513184/trayvon-martin-had-drugs-in-system-at-time-of-death-report-says?clienttype=printable (http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/18513184/trayvon-martin-had-drugs-in-system-at-time-of-death-report-says?clienttype=printable)
And a witness said Travon was giving Zimmerman an MMA style beating before the shooting.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903)
So in American, if a guy is beating the crap out of you, you can use deadly force (that means shoot him), as opposed to other countries that prosecute the guy that uses the gun to save himself.
I am impressed that "everyone" with spokesman Nookie knew all this and "knew why". But because I am a dumb American that tries to get the facts before I come to a conclusion, I still have no idea why "Anyone who isnt American knows why!!"
Again, what are you talking about?
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Urleft you need to have a close look at yourself,,,,,Let me give you something else to chew on....Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
Well as more evidence comes public, I get more and more confused on why Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
I am impressed that "everyone" with spokesman Nookie knew all this and "knew why". But because I am a dumb American that tries to get the facts before I come to a conclusion, I still have no idea why "Anyone who isnt American knows why!!"
Again, what are you talking about?
Maybe this will help you understand ......
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57436193-504083/florida-family-massacre-911-call-shows-neighbors-wouldnt-help-kids-before-tonya-thomas-killed-themhem-911-tape-says/
Or this
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jan/27/jim-moran/rep-jim-moran-says-us-gun-homicide-rate-20-times-h/
Or this
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
Or this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gun-crime+usa
Mike
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Urleft you need to have a close look at yourself,,,,,Let me give you something else to chew on....Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
Well as more evidence comes public, I get more and more confused on why Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
I am impressed that "everyone" with spokesman Nookie knew all this and "knew why". But because I am a dumb American that tries to get the facts before I come to a conclusion, I still have no idea why "Anyone who isnt American knows why!!"
Again, what are you talking about?
Maybe this will help you understand ......
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57436193-504083/florida-family-massacre-911-call-shows-neighbors-wouldnt-help-kids-before-tonya-thomas-killed-themhem-911-tape-says/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57436193-504083/florida-family-massacre-911-call-shows-neighbors-wouldnt-help-kids-before-tonya-thomas-killed-themhem-911-tape-says/)
Or this
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jan/27/jim-moran/rep-jim-moran-says-us-gun-homicide-rate-20-times-h/ (http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jan/27/jim-moran/rep-jim-moran-says-us-gun-homicide-rate-20-times-h/)
Or this
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm (http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm)
Or this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gun-crime+usa (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gun-crime+usa)
Mike
What do these have to do with the question? Here is Nookies post:
Well at last The 'neighbourhood watch' guy has been charged with 2nd degree murder....WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
After just reading the previous threads .........
Urleft ,I seriously think you have a serious problem.........Maybe 'a couple of bricks short of a load'!!
According to Nookie you all know why it took so long for Zimmerman to be charged with 2nd degree murder. Based on the evidence that is finally be made public instead of cherry picked for propaganda purposes, it seems Zimmerman acted in self defense and should have the charges dropped.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161 (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161)
So your articles have nothing to do with 2nd Degree Murder charges against Zimmerman, which is what everyone but Americans understand why it took so long.
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Urleft you need to have a close look at yourself,,,,,Let me give you something else to chew on....Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
Because 95% of Americans are gooses Nookie
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Urleft you need to have a close look at yourself,,,,,Let me give you something else to chew on....Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
The gun culture in America has created a country full psychopaths
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For my Gun Buddy Nookie:
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Quote from....
http://hubpages.com/hub/Thai-Cops-The-Boys-in-Brown (http://hubpages.com/hub/Thai-Cops-The-Boys-in-Brown)
Perhaps one of the most recognizable attribute a Thai cop has is his large shiny piece of nickel and steel. I’m not talking about their badge. I’m referring to the large .357 magnum revolver strapped to their hip. Sure all guns are no joke, but a .357 magnum can really do some serious damage. People can still recover with a 9mm gun shot wound to the stomach, which is standard issue side arm used by police in the Western hemisphere. But a large caliber bullet such as a .357 to the stomach will ensure that you’ll be sipping your supper through a straw for the rest of your life. That is if you survive. blink1
Yeah I have seen cops on traffic duty here directing young 7 year old kids to School, with his trusty magnum in its holster ,maybe he's waiting for one of the kids to "make his day" by getting out of hand , if it was,nt so pathetic it could be viewed as laughable .
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I would imagine it is more to do with the fact that Thai police have to buy their own gun and that revolvers are much cheaper to buy than the 9mm, 10mm, .45, .40, etc. calibre automatics pistols. Most of those "357 revolver's" could actually be 38's as they are basically the same calibre just the 357 has more powder behind it. Did you get close to see the 3-5-7 on the barrel ?
Although, they will all still kill you, when you're dead you won't care what the gun was.
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I would imagine it is more to do with the fact that Thai police have to buy their own gun and that revolvers are much cheaper to buy than the 9mm, 10mm, .45, .40, etc. calibre automatics pistols. Most of those "357 revolver's" could actually be 38's as they are basically the same calibre just the 357 has more powder behind it. Did you get close to see the 3-5-7 on the barrel ?
Although, they will all still kill you, when you're dead you won't care what the gun was.
there is a lot of issues as to what caliber to use, it basically depends on your target. A decent gauge for Human targets can be seen here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849728/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849728/posts)
It depends on what you are trying to do.
I have a .40 Cal Glock that is my weapon of choice. However I also have a .357 with a 6" barrel that I have used with Bird Shot to take out rats.
I have a .177 cal air gun with scope that I have taken out rabbits in my yard, and made good grilling.
My 12 guage I have used for Doves and has a slug barrel for deer. I added some 00 buck, but have yet to use it.
Bottom line is that your caliber is depedant on your target.
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I would imagine it is more to do with the fact that Thai police have to buy their own gun and that revolvers are much cheaper to buy than the 9mm, 10mm, .45, .40, etc. calibre automatics pistols. Most of those "357 revolver's" could actually be 38's as they are basically the same calibre just the 357 has more powder behind it. Did you get close to see the 3-5-7 on the barrel ?
Although, they will all still kill you, when you're dead you won't care what the gun was.
No Paddy I did not get close enough to see the 357 ,I just said Magnum any way ,but that is not the point really, WTF did he need a holstered sidearm to direct 7 year old kids across the road for :) ,to me its some sort of "macho" thing ,I see them quite regular swaggering round the fresh produce market in pairs with their guns ,maybe they are expecting a "hold up " of someone running off with a cabbage eh :D in England we have "lollypop ladies" escorting school kids across the road ,here they have Thailands answer to "Dirty Harry" of course I could well be wrong in my assumptions ,but when I see 4 cops in a quite little out of sight noodle shop wearing guns and downing low khow like its going out of fashion I have come to the conclusion that something is not "quite right" :)
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A world perspective:
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For Nookie.
As I am still trying to understand what everyone other than Americans know:
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For Nookie.
As I am still trying to understand what everyone other than Americans know:
And your point is?
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Another Crazed individual has gone postal in America.
He attacked in a Gun Free Zone where guns are illegal. Why did that not stop him?
He was Goth, which is associated with the Left Wing, Democrats, and gun control (banning) party. Why did he need a gun?
So this happened in a gun free zone where law abiding people are disarmed, but crazed people can find defenseless targets.
While some on this forum may consider me crazed and such, my idea of a great killing would be taking out the world's greatest sniper during a mission. I would never consider defenseless people targets. My hero is Carlos Heathcock, put the round through the scope.
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While some on this forum may consider me crazed and such, my idea of a great killing would be taking out the world's greatest sniper during a mission. I would never consider defenseless people targets. My hero is Carlos Heathcock, put the round through the scope.
For the record I am one of the people on this forum that do not think you are crazy (at least from what you have posted on this website).
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Its says such a lot for Americans that they seem to get 'a buzz' by owning countless guns/rifles
Wonder if anyone on this forum can correctly identify where the American 'buzz' originated and in what year? As a hint, it was the same time & place their 2nd Amendment rights came from, plus names exactly who was attempting to eliminate the 'buzz'?
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For Nookie.
As I am still trying to understand what everyone other than Americans know:
What some Americans know is that Trevon Martin was most likely a hoodlum that assaulted and beat the crap out of George Zimmerman before Mr. Zimmerman used a legally owned and permitted firearm in self defense to save his own life.
What everyone other than (some) Americans need to learn is that every human has an inherent right to self defense.
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Another Crazed individual has gone postal in America.
He attacked in a Gun Free Zone where guns are illegal. Why did that not stop him?
He was Goth, which is associated with the Left Wing, Democrats, and gun control (banning) party. Why did he need a gun?
So this happened in a gun free zone where law abiding people are disarmed, but crazed people can find defenseless targets.
While some on this forum may consider me crazed and such, my idea of a great killing would be taking out the world's greatest sniper during a mission. I would never consider defenseless people targets. My hero is Carlos Heathcock, put the round through the scope.
Guns are bad news full stop. Having more guns is not an answer as it just makes the problem bigger and the chances of it happening again more likely. With gun laws so relaxed its no wonder every fruitloop can buy a gun.
The replies will come thick and fast defending easy gun ownership stateside. If American society is so paranoid that they all need guns to protect themselves from each other, why on earth do they think the rest of us have it wrong?
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In this case the fruitloop tried to buy a gun but could not. He took them from his mother then shot her in the face before going to the school. I agree 100% that the guns should have (and by law probably were required) to be secured (locked or in a gun safe). It is already illegal to shoot your mother in the face and to take a gun to a school. The USA has a ton of gun laws and Connecticut is not known a particularly gun owner friendly state.
In the USA responsible gun ownership is a right (not privilege) and that will not change in my lifetime. Responsible gun owners obey the laws, criminals, fruitloops, and evil people do not give two shits about obeying the laws. If guns were the problem then a state like Texas would be the murder capital of the world, but it isn't because responsible gun ownership is not the problem.
Why is it we don't hear people trying to ban cars, or alcohol every time a drunk driver kills someone with a car.
I don't expect that I will change any ones mind on the gun issue. I have legally owned guns most of my life, they are stored in a safe, and have never been used in an illegal fashion. I own them because I enjoy shooting at the range and also in the case of self defense. I have never taken the guns out of the safe unless it is to go to the shooting range, or clean and oil them. I hope that I would never ever have to use them for any other purpose, but if it comes down to a choice between my life and the lives of my family or someone that would do harm to them, I know what choice I would make. I at least want the option of defending myself, I know this is not the right choice for everyone.
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Which provides security from fruitloops?
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Or this?
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Or this?
Safe? What message of normallity does this send to these kids? Ahab you gave me all the pridictable answers I expected. So how you gunna live in Thailand without your guns?
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Or this?
Safe? What message of normallity does this send to these kids? Ahab you gave me all the pridictable answers I expected. So how you gunna live in Thailand without your guns?
He will probably drive around in an armourplated Humbee!!
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We'll be hearing the same old dribble in a few weeks when(not if) the next 'incident' hits the news!
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Or this?
Safe? What message of normallity does this send to these kids? Ahab you gave me all the pridictable answers I expected. So how you gunna live in Thailand without your guns?
I think it would be more normal to get used a teacher with a firearm than to be killed by a Palestinian terrorist that would like nothing more than to get into a classroom full of Jewish school children with a gun. Normal is being alive. Alan do you ever think that my answers were "predictable" because they were logical. I will live just fine in Thailand, my wife will have a gun and it will be kept in the house (locked in a gun safe) and just like in the USA we will hopefully and probably never have to use it.
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Or this?
Safe? What message of normallity does this send to these kids? Ahab you gave me all the pridictable answers I expected. So how you gunna live in Thailand without your guns?
I think it would be more normal to get used a teacher with a firearm than to be killed by a Palestinian terrorist that would like nothing more than to get into a classroom full of Jewish school children with a gun. Normal is being alive. Alan do you ever think that my answers were "predictable" because they were logical. I will live just fine in Thailand, my wife will have a gun and it will be kept in the house (locked in a gun safe) and just like in the USA we will hopefully and probably never have to use it.
Ahab,it's about time you started to live in the 'real world'!
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Or this?
Safe? What message of normallity does this send to these kids? Ahab you gave me all the pridictable answers I expected. So how you gunna live in Thailand without your guns?
I think it would be more normal to get used a teacher with a firearm than to be killed by a Palestinian terrorist that would like nothing more than to get into a classroom full of Jewish school children with a gun. Normal is being alive. Alan do you ever think that my answers were "predictable" because they were logical. I will live just fine in Thailand, my wife will have a gun and it will be kept in the house (locked in a gun safe) and just like in the USA we will hopefully and probably never have to use it.
Ahab,it's about time you started to live in the 'real world'!
Nookie, I am possibly one of the few people that live in the real world and not the fantasy world were the bad guy does the right thing and if not the police always show up when needed. Just saying.
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Let GVT keep control of the guns:
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Urleft you need to have a close look at yourself,,,,,Let me give you something else to chew on....Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
Hey Nookie, I am still trying to understand why Anyone who isnt American knows why!!
From the Washington Post:
To recap Zimmerman’s case against NBC News (http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/12/06/Editorial-Opinion/Graphics/Zimmerman-NBC-suit.pdf): On the night that he shot Martin, Zimmerman called 911 and narrated his pursuit of the teenager in his gated community in Sanford, Fla. A March 27 edition of the “Today” show abridged the 911 tape, as follows:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
Here’s what that abridgment was abridging:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/03/07/nbcs-zimmerman-response-other-media-outlets-highlighted-race/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/03/07/nbcs-zimmerman-response-other-media-outlets-highlighted-race/)
There are follow on articles how the Procecution's star witness has been lying.
So it is looking more and more like Zimmerman (a Hispanic) acted in self defense and some teen thug assaulted him.
So Nookie, I still need it explained to me what you all know.
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It's looking more and more like maybe justice will prevail, in this case.
I hope he nails the "left wing liberal media's" for million$ and million$, with his libel suit!
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A judge in the UK has recommended a reform of the gun control laws in the UK following the death of 4 people by a legally owned gun.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21715622
Mike
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A judge in the UK has recommended a reform of the gun control laws in the UK following the death of 4 people by a legally owned gun.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21715622
Mike
I said a "judge" and in fact it was a "coroner". My apologies.
Mike
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This is making good reading.......Urleft you should have been a gravedigger
OK Nookie,
I am still trying to understand your post.
What does everyone understand that I don't:
What follows is Zimmerman’s account of the screaming, written long before he knew what the eyewitnesses would report:
As I looked and tried to find my phone to dial 911 the suspect punched me in the face. I fell backwards onto my back. The suspect got on top of me. I yelled “Help” several times. The suspect told me, “Shut the f*** up.”
As I tried to sit upright, the suspect grabbed my head and slammed it into the concrete sidewalk several times. I continued to yell “Help.”
Each time I attempted to sit up, the suspect slammed my head into the sidewalk. My head felt like it was going to explode. I tried to slide out from under the suspect and continue to yell “Help.”
Witness No. 6, the best of the eyewitnesses, had talked on camera to the local TV station the day after the shooting and told the reporter what he told the Sanford PD the night before.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/no-those-are-not-trayvons-screams/#v4j03up2ffGPtDmg.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/no-those-are-not-trayvons-screams/#v4j03up2ffGPtDmg.99)
So Nookie that knows everything.
WTF do you and the rest know that I do not?
From what I see of your postings, there is a stupid, racist Hispanic guy that shoots and kills a drugged up black teen as the hispanic guy's head is being pounded into the pavement.
What am I missing? Come on Nookie, remember I am a stupid American, I cannot understand what the rest of you smart ones see.
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Good God Keith,,,,,,,,,,,Over a year on & by your own admission you still are unable to understand what EVERYONE else does.
I think you are in need of some serious help!.
I was surprised you weren't giving excuses for the gunmen who opened fire on The Mothers Day parade last week,or even support for the Boston Bombers!
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Good God Keith,,,,,,,,,,,Over a year on & by your own admission you still are unable to understand what EVERYONE else does.
I think you are in need of some serious help!.
I was surprised you weren't giving excuses for the gunmen who opened fire on The Mothers Day parade last week,or even support for the Boston Bombers!
No reason to give excuses. My guess is that these gunman had the weapons illegally.
On the other issue my guess is that you were trying to infer racism for Zimmerman not being initially charged, but you were ignorant of the facts and cannot own up to it. In the US, it is legal to shot the guy on top you pounding your head into the cement. And if you can't understand that, good luck if you are ever attacked.
BTW, do you know what seems to be the connecting factor in all theses gun killings?
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From your post Keith I understand .... Ban Democrats not guns screwy
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How about banning Democrats from owning guns?
They are the party of Gun Control, and seem to be the party with all mass killers. Let Dems live by the rules they want.
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Seung hi Chow was a Korean national, and a registered democrat ?, Keith you know my opinion, the USA is too far down the gun track to ever see the light of hope again, and I truly feel sorry for the plebs that really believe the crap that is brought out by both sides of politics in your home country. 6 degrees of seperation that divides us all.
As Woody Allen said " 67.8 of all statistics are made up"
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The vast majority of Americans are law abiding citizens, Democrat, Republicans, Libritains, etc. But with a population of over 300 million there are going to nut cases.
How do you deal with these nut cases? I am not sure, but using these nut cases to deny me my rights is something I am against.
What do all these killers really have in common? They all broke the law.
And the solutions being presented are to add more lawsn (with no removal of the laws that didn't work). If someone is going to knowingly break the law (murder someone), how will more laws prevent it?
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Bro, I don't know if there is an answer but the first rule of management is any decision is better than none at all, even with wrong decisions you can look at the results and move forward. The current situation doesn't seem to work... Time for a decision, a change.... Personally both parties are equal with corruption, self interest and controlled by powerful lobby groups not by the citizens, leaving only watered down legislation, producing weak or no results.
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but we are beyond the 1st rule. If your solution is not working, stop digging.
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Watered down legislation.... Are you telling me you have true gun control legislation? Give me a break... Australia does have true, strict gun control...! I had an American lecture me on how my government took my guns from me..... I laughed and said I don't miss them, I don't feel the need for a semi auto weapon in case the zombies attack.
The USA will never have gun control while your population is run by the lobby groups....
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Sorry yes you are beyond the first rule, time to move forward and change to a real program of gun control
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31,672
Total firearms deaths in 2010 (about 86% male).
11,078
Total gun homicides (about 70% of all the murders committed).
3.59
Gun murder rate per 100,000 population (Japan’s rate is about .01)
85
U.S. gun deaths per day (about 3 each hour).
4,588
Number of people aged 15 to 29 killed by violence in 2010.
15.34
Rate of African American gun murders. For blacks aged 15 to 29, it was the leading cause of death – a rate of 36.6.
The U.S. gun murder rate — which is now actually at its lowest level since the early 1980′s — is still more than double that of any other wealthy nation in the world.
Hemenway notes that a child in the U.S is about 13 times more likely to be a victim of a firearm-related homicide than children in most other industrialized nations.
Firearms were the third leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2010, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
For the sake of comparison, in 2010 there were more than twice as many firearms deaths in the U.S. than terrorism-related deaths worldwide.
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Hi All,seems this argument on gun control in the US has been going on forever....I think they should all be banned there,the UK doesn't have them,and they seem to manage ok....but I suppose a nutter will always find a way to kill people if they want too.Shit there is more weapons in your average kitchen that can kill people,JasonB
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They proper way to do Gun Control in the US is to change the constitution, not incremental gun laws that conflict with the constitution.
However, the Gun Control advocates will not be honest about what they intend and advance changes to the 2nd Admendment.
There are an estimated 270 million privately owned guns in the US. There are also 240 million passenger vehicles resulting in over 40,000 deaths a year which is over 3 times as many deaths, not to mention a lot more injuries.
Looks like selective indignation.
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40,000 deaths a year from car accidents, and your govt finds this acceptable? People say Thailand has bad drivers WTF
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Yup, and to help matters the US GVT is trying to force states to give Drivers' Licenses to Illegals.
And there are many more injuries than deaths:
According to the National Highway Traffic Administration, car accidents happen every minute of the day. Motor vehicle accidents occur in any part of the world every 60 seconds. And if it’s all summed up in a yearly basis,there are 5.25 million driving accidents that take place per year. Statistics show that each year,43,000 or more of the United States’ population die due to vehicular accidents and around 2.9 million people end up suffering light or severe injuries. In a certain five year period, there had been recorded a 25% of the driving population who encountered or were involved in car accidents. It is also affirmed that car accidents kill a child every 3 minutes.Statistics on the number of car accidents taking place in every state or country is normally based on medical or insurance records filed.
http://www.usacoverage.com/auto-insurance/how-many-driving-accidents-occur-each-year.html (http://www.usacoverage.com/auto-insurance/how-many-driving-accidents-occur-each-year.html)
But the Gun Deaths are weighted more than vehicle deaths.
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They proper way to do Gun Control in the US is to change the constitution, not incremental gun laws that conflict with the constitution.
However, the Gun Control advocates will not be honest about what they intend and advance changes to the 2nd Admendment.
That sounds like a good idea to me Urleft, have a national referendum and let all of america have their say. Then the losers shuts up and bears it. But some states would not abide by the result.... so maybe state-wide referenda and much tougher penalties for bringing guns across state lines.
Would that not keep everyone happy, and if your state doesn't hold your views ... move.
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They proper way to do Gun Control in the US is to change the constitution, not incremental gun laws that conflict with the constitution.
However, the Gun Control advocates will not be honest about what they intend and advance changes to the 2nd Admendment.
That sounds like a good idea to me Urleft, have a national referendum and let all of america have their say. Then the losers shuts up and bears it. But some states would not abide by the result.... so maybe state-wide referenda and much tougher penalties for bringing guns across state lines.
Would that not keep everyone happy, and if your state doesn't hold your views ... move.
Works for me. However, the national referendum is putting forth a change to constitution per the amendment process.
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Yep, thats what I meant an Amendment. I am not familiar with American constitutional law but when an amendment to the constitution is proposed, does the amendment not get voted on by the people ? or how else is it ratified ?
Here is Ireland any proposed change to the Constitution requires a national referendum.
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An amendment must be proposed and pass both house of Congress by a 2/3rd's vote.
3/4's of the States (33 of them) must ratify that Amendment within 7 years.
If you are in a state that does not ratify the amendment but 3/4ths of the states do, TFB, you have to live with it.
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Basically a referendum, similar to changing the constitution in Aust.
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Wow, do we have agreement here?
Use the defined process to change the 2nd Amendment to end the US Gun Culture?
I totally support that effort, that is how it should be done!!!!!!
And I will live with the result.
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Well at last The 'neighbourhood watch' guy has been charged with 2nd degree murder....WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
After just reading the previous threads .........
Urleft ,I seriously think you have a serious problem.........Maybe 'a couple of bricks short of a load'!!
I have been hammering Nookie for over a year now to explain his quote:
WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
And Nookie has yet to explain. Why a hispanic guy that is getting his head pounded into the cement shoots the drug crazed teen on top of him? What do you all know?
Why has Nookie been silent on explaining this? Why does he say I need therapy for trying trying to understand that a guy protecting himself is in the wrong?
This is not about the gun culture, it is about the right to defend yourself.
Looks like Nookie is the one that needs therapy to understand that everyone has the right to defend themselves.
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Well at last The 'neighbourhood watch' guy has been charged with 2nd degree murder....WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
After just reading the previous threads .........
Urleft ,I seriously think you have a serious problem.........Maybe 'a couple of bricks short of a load'!!
I have been hammering Nookie for over a year now to explain his quote:
WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
And Nookie has yet to explain. Why a hispanic guy that is getting his head pounded into the cement shoots the drug crazed teen on top of him? What do you all know?
Why has Nookie been silent on explaining this? Why does he say I need therapy for trying trying to understand that a guy protecting himself is in the wrong?
This is not about the gun culture, it is about the right to defend yourself.
Looks like Nookie is the one that needs therapy to understand that everyone has the right to defend themselves.
You must be the one of the dumbest Yanks I've ever come across!
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Well at last The 'neighbourhood watch' guy has been charged with 2nd degree murder....WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
After just reading the previous threads .........
Urleft ,I seriously think you have a serious problem.........Maybe 'a couple of bricks short of a load'!!
I have been hammering Nookie for over a year now to explain his quote:
WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG.........We all know dont we!!
And Nookie has yet to explain. Why a hispanic guy that is getting his head pounded into the cement shoots the drug crazed teen on top of him? What do you all know?
Why has Nookie been silent on explaining this? Why does he say I need therapy for trying trying to understand that a guy protecting himself is in the wrong?
This is not about the gun culture, it is about the right to defend yourself.
Looks like Nookie is the one that needs therapy to understand that everyone has the right to defend themselves.
You must be the one of the dumbest Yanks I've ever come across!
Must be, but as yet you not anyone else has explained what you all know.
You give out secret decoder rings to those that understand? You should get a colonoscopy to see if the doctor can find your head.
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character3 2guys.... bravo1
Funny as F@ck
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Death Statistics | Top 5 Most | Motor Vehicles | Traffic Accident Statistics
The Top 5 Countries with the Most Road Traffic Deaths
Country
Reported Number of Traffic Deaths
Estimated Traffic Death Rate
Number of Registered Vehicles
1
India 105,725 16.8 72,718,000
2
China 96,611 16.5 145,228,994
3
United States 42,642 13.9 251,422,509
4
Russia 35,972 25.2 38,695,996
5
Brazil 35,155 18.3 49,644,025
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Guns and cars have long been among the leading causes of non-medical deaths in the U.S. By 2015, firearm fatalities will probably exceed traffic fatalities for the first time, based on data compiled by Bloomberg.
Enlarge image American Shooting Deaths to Surpass Traffic Fatalities by 2015
American Shooting Deaths to Surpass Traffic Fatalities by 2015 American Shooting Deaths to Surpass Traffic Fatalities by 2015 John Moore/Getty Images
A casket carrying the body of shooting victim Jessica Rekos, 6, is brought out after her funeral at the St. Rose of Lima Catholic church in Newtown, Connecticut, on Dec. 18, 2012.
A casket carrying the body of shooting victim Jessica Rekos, 6, is brought out after her funeral at the St. Rose of Lima Catholic church in Newtown, Connecticut, on Dec. 18, 2012. Photographer: John Moore/Getty Images
Gunmaker's Owner Has Ties to Newtown 0:32 Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- The father of Stephen Feinberg, founder of Cerberus, the private-equity firm that owns gunmaker Freedom Group Inc., lives in the town where a Freedom Group-made rifle was used to kill 26 people in an elementary school. Martin Feinberg is a resident of Liberty at Newtown, a community for people 55 and older that’s about 6 miles from Sandy Hook elementary school. Cerberus today announced it will sell Freedom Group. (Source: Bloomberg)
White House's Carney on Gun Violence, Budget Talks 28:21 Dec. 17 (Bloomberg) -- White House spokesman Jay Carney speaks about the elementary school shooting in Connecticut and gun control. Carney, speaking at a news conference in Washington, also discusses fiscal negotiations between lawmakers. (This report is an excerpt. Source: Bloomberg)
Gun Demand Surges After Newtown School Shooting 4:54 Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Dominic Chu reports on the surging demand for guns. He speaks on Bloomberg Television's "Street Smart." (Source: Bloomberg)
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While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.
As the nation reels from the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the shift shows the effects of public policy, said Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis.
The fall in traffic deaths resulted from safer vehicles, restricted privileges for young drivers and seat-belt and other laws, he said. By contrast, “we’ve made policy decisions that have had the impact of making the widest array of firearms available to the widest array of people under the widest array of conditions.” While fewer households have guns, people who own guns are buying more of them, he said.
The Dec. 14 slaying of 20 children and six adults at the school in Newtown, Connecticut, reignited a debate over gun violence. While mass murders are rare, shootings aren’t. About 85 Americans are shot dead daily -- 53 of them suicides. Every day, one of those killed by firearms is 14 or younger.
‘Game Changer’
Of the total, the CDC data show, 16 are between the ages of 15 and 24, mostly homicide victims. Wintemute said more than 200 people go to U.S. emergency rooms every day with gunshot wounds.
Gun deaths by homicide, suicide or accident peaked at 37,666 in 1993 before declining to a low of 28,393 in 2000, the data show. Since then the total has risen to 31,328 in 2010, an increase of 2,935, or eight more victims a day.
At the same time, violent crime and murder rates have fallen in the U.S., said Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins University Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore. Homicides may be up this year, though the murder rate from 2006 to 2011 fell 19 percent, to 4.7 for every 100,000 people, Webster said in an e-mail.
While recent gun sales haven’t led to an increase in crime, research indicates that over time, higher levels of gun ownership are associated with increased rates of homicide and suicide, Webster said. The Sandy Hook killings are a “potential game changer” for gun-control laws and the response to it unlike any incident he’s seen in 20 years of studying gun violence, he said.
Police Crackdowns
“We haven’t had a year like 2012 for mass shootings before, with each one being more disturbing than the last,” Webster said. “It’s harder to chalk this up to random acts than to flaws in our gun laws.”
The drop in gun deaths since 1993 may be a result of less violence from drug trafficking, more people incarcerated and more police crackdowns on illegal firearms, according to both Webster and Wintemute.
The percentage of gun-owning households has fallen since 2004 to 32 percent in 2010, according to the General Social Survey by NORC at the University of Chicago. The survey indicates at least 1.8 firearms per household, or at least 70 million in households nationwide, said Tom Smith, the survey’s principal investigator.
Safer Driving
It’s impossible to verify how many guns are owned legally or illegally, Webster said. A survey eight years ago pegged the number of firearms around 300 million, he said.
Traffic fatalities in 2011 were the lowest since 1949, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Although drivers in the U.S. logged fewer miles than in 2010, the fatality rate was the lowest on record, 1.1 deaths for each 100 million vehicle miles driven.
There were 53,524 motor-vehicle deaths in 1979, compared with a projected 33,975 this year, according to the data compiled by Bloomberg.
“In the past several decades, we’ve seen remarkable improvements in both the way motorists behave on our roadways and in the safety of the vehicles they drive,” according to a Dec. 10 statement by the agency.
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I tried to have a battle of wits with Nookie, but had to back off because:
I hate to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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I tried to have a battle of wits with Nookie, but had to back off because:
I hate to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Keith your a better man than that give a better argument, when was the last time you picked up the kids from school, or went shopping with a bushmaster semi auto carrying the load. Bringing in vehicles into the argument about guns is weak indead.... I do expect better.
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Even if a gun could toast a cheese sandwich I would warm to the argument about vehicles, but it wont. the numbers vary on death on road accidents in the USA,... It seems to vary from about 32000 to 42000, f@ck me this is the worlds leading western country.... That is why statistics will only prove what you want them to, ask a different question and you may get the stats you want!
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I tried to have a battle of wits with Nookie, but had to back off because:
I hate to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Keith your a better man than that give a better argument, when was the last time you picked up the kids from school, or went shopping with a bushmaster semi auto carrying the load. Bringing in vehicles into the argument about guns is weak indead.... I do expect better.
I personally wouldn't have a bushmaster. I hated the M-16 that I had to clean in the Army. However, I was at a reunion with my reserve buddies last weekend and a guy was buying one, because he wanted it. In a little group (6) of us talking about weapons between us we probably own about 150 guns, and none of us has gone on murderous rampages against civilians, or used our personal weapons to kill anyone.
As far as carrying a weapon, from 1984 to 2008 I had a concealed weapons permit. My weapon of choice to carry was a Glock Model 23 .40 Cal. I put thousands of rounds through it, but all on the firing range. I regularly had a weapon in the car. I would carry on my person when I was in less than favorable areas or had valuables.
Because guns are a right defined in the 2nd Amendment, we don't have to justify the type weapon we want. Basically the same as a car, why does anyone really need a Porsche, Farrari, etc. It's a matter of personal choice.
I have several weapons I would like to obtain. I just took the Desert Eagle pistol off the list as I was in the PX checking it out, my hand is not big enough for it, too bad, it looks to be a fine weapon.
As I defined earlier in this forum, the Assault Weapon ban is all about scary looking weapons, it has nothing to do with the weapons capabilities.
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Sorry Keith I was a bit pissed when I wrote this, what I meant was that at least a car has many useful tasks that it helps us in everyday life, the road toll is horrific but at least automobiles serve us and are of great use... While guns serve little or no purpose in the average mans daily life. Rendering the argument of death rate by automobile impotent when comparing to gun related deaths.
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Simon,you may as well talk to a lump of 6 x 4
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Per the US Constitution, cars are not a right.
In the US a driver's License is required to legally drive. And the GVT can recind that license anytime they care too.
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Not talking about constitutional rights, I'm talking about comparison of death stats of guns and automobiles..... It's like comparing apples with shoelaces..... Either that or both guns and cars should be taken off US citizens as it is clearly a responsibility that cannot handle :P
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One point I am not sure I have made is that whenever a gun tragedy happens, the gun control activists come out with:
It is Reasonable, Let's Compromise, etc.
At no point has a Gun Control activist tried to compromise by removing laws that are not working. In addition, laws that on the books are not enforced. For example, less than 1% of illegal gun buyers are ever procecuted for providing false information.
If the law is not going to be enforced why have it?
Secondly, it is slowly being admitted that the background check being advocated by the Administration because of Sandy Hook, would not have prevented Sandy Hook. So why make this law?
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I'm not making any law, background checks to me is not a gun control, banning Semi auto and auto rifles would be a step in the right direction, they did that in Aust over ten years ago and gun violence is at a record low. It is up to the US to determine its own laws, the world will still watch with disbelief on how a western country who has done great things pulls itself down with the archaic view on "rights " to bear harms and to harm bears :laugh:
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Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries
Posted on November 16, 2012
In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.1
73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.2
Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2010, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.3
Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.4
In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.5
Homicide
Guns were used in 11,078 homicides in the U.S. in 2010, comprising almost 35% of all gun deaths, and over 68% of all homicides.6
On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.7
Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.8
Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.9
Suicide
Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths.10
Over 50% of all suicides are committed with a firearm.11
On average, 49 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.12
White males, about 40% of the U.S. population, accounted for over 80% of firearm suicides in 2010.13
A study of California handgun purchasers found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among the purchasers.14
Firearms were used in nearly 44% of suicide deaths among persons under age 25 in 2010.15
More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.16
The risk of suicide increases in homes where guns are kept loaded and/or unlocked.17
Unintentional Deaths and Injuries
In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.18
From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.19
Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age.20
People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.21
A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.22
The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).23
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so many pages , so many "stuck" opinions ... in my "humble" opinion : gunculture = oxymoron.
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Second Amendment Basics
Posted on January 1, 2012
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” - The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Four years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court singlehandedly inserted the judicial system into the ongoing national debate over gun laws in America. In a 5-4 decision in 2008’s District of Columbia v. Heller, the Court invalidated the District of Columbia’s handgun ban and firearm storage law, stating for the first time that the Second Amendment protects a responsible, law-abiding citizen’s right to possess an operable handgun in the home for self-defense.
Heller was unquestionably a radical decision, overturning the Court’s previous ruling that the Second Amendment was tied to state militia service. For almost seventy years, lower federal and state courts nationwide had relied on that pronouncement to reject hundreds of Second Amendment challenges.
The Heller decision immediately drew strong criticism from a wide array of legal scholars, historians, advocates and legislators, including a particularly scathing rebuke from respected conservative judge Richard Posner, who noted that, “The only certain effect of the Heller decision will be to increase litigation over gun ownership.”
In fact, new litigation started almost immediately. The day that Heller was announced, plaintiffs filed a lawsuit challenging the City of Chicago’s handgun ban, with a second suit filed the next day. Other suits emerged soon after, escalating once the Supreme Court confirmed that the Second Amendment also applied to state and local laws in 2010’s McDonald v. City of Chicago decision. After that case, the number of lawsuits challenging gun laws nationwide skyrocketed.
Thankfully, despite the explosion of litigation, courts across the country have rejected the overwhelming majority of Second Amendment challenges initiated since Heller. Gun rights advocates and criminal defendants across the country have sought to expand the Second Amendment to invalidate almost every gun law on the books today. In siding with us and the majority of Americans who support sensible gun laws, courts are finding that smart laws aren’t just constitutional – they’re also critical to keeping our communities safe from gun violence.
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JOSEPHINE COUNTY, Ore. (CBS Seattle) — An Oregon woman was told by a 911 dispatcher that authorities wouldn’t be able be able to help her as her ex-boyfriend broke into her place because of budget cuts.
Oregon Public Radio reports that an unidentified woman called 911 during a weekend in August 2012 while Michael Bellah was breaking into her place. Her call was forwarded to Oregon State Police because of lay-offs at the Josephine County Sheriff’s Office only allows the department to be open Monday through Friday.
“Uh, I don’t have anybody to send out there,” the 911 dispatcher told the woman. “You know, obviously, if he comes inside the residence and assaults you, can you ask him to go away? Do you know if he’s intoxicated or anything?”
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/05/23/911-dispatcher-tells-woman-about-to-be-sexually-assaulted-there-are-no-cops-to-help-her-due-to-budget-cuts/ (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/05/23/911-dispatcher-tells-woman-about-to-be-sexually-assaulted-there-are-no-cops-to-help-her-due-to-budget-cuts/)
Would a gun have helped her equalize the situation? Or is this just another acceptable event in keeping guns out of the hands of victims?
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And back to Nookie that knows everything:
We have zimmerman's bloody head, but the defense is not allowed to autopsy results that the darling Travon was high on drugs and had a history of martial arts fights, and cannot include that Saint Travon was suspended for drugs.
So Nookie that knows everything, what exactly was the point of your post that "we all know why"?
And that you have failed to answer despite numerous callouts from me.
Come on Nookie, state exactly what is your point. Otherwise, STFU as you are a blowhard and full of shit.
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Keith with all due respect YOU must be the only person that doesn't grasp the nettle..........I'm sorry I never realized just how thick you are!
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Zimmerman, NOT GUILTY
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
George Zimmerman found not guilty of murder in Trayvon Martin's death
By Greg Botelho, CNN
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Yes indeed, justice!
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To find him not guilty is a crime itself.
He should have got LIFE.
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To find him not guilty is a crime itself.
He should have got LIFE.
For defending himself?
The first illegal act in the confrontation was Trayvon punching GZ in the nose, until then GZ had done nothing illegal. TM was on his 2nd or 3rd illegal act that night after smoking pot.
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Quote from: Antonio on Today at 09:36:00 AM
To find him not guilty is a crime itself.
He should have got LIFE.
For defending himself?
The first illegal act in the confrontation was Trayvon punching GZ in the nose, until then GZ had done nothing illegal. TM was on his 2nd or 3rd illegal act that night after smoking pot.
Smoking pot , god damn if he was alive they should give him the electric chair!
Actually I followed the case a bit and I think Zimmerman was defending himself, but I'm not sure if he was in a life threatening situation.
I don't believe there is any part of the whole story that the USA can be proud of.
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I don't believe there is any part of the whole story that the USA can be proud of.
Believe it or not, I agree with you, it is sad that this happened. And here's a list of some of the sad parts:
- Obama interjecting himself into the issue by saying "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon."
- The community where GZ lived had a rash of break ins, all by young black males.
- That Trayvon was not attending school, he was suspended for Pot, and being found with woman's jewelry and burglar tools.
-That Trayvon was wanting to be a Gansta, like his dad with his gang tattoo.
- That Trayvon's dad was not proving him the adult supervision that night
- That GZ ended up getting his head bashed into the concrete multiple times.
- That two people could meet peacefully on the street an say something like "I have not seen you around here and I am part of the neighborhood watch looking out for the community" and a response like "I'm staying with my dad just over there." There should have not been any fight.
- That the race baiters went into action to force GZ's arrest because of "Public Opinion" rather than the law.
- That the American media exacerbated the issue by showing TM as a 12 year old, editing GZ police phone call to make him look racist, and the Martin's lawyer stirring up the issue.
- The death threats that are happening right now against GZ.
etc.
And the guy that posted the following is being called out by the NAACP:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/virginia-naacp-chief-dared-to-question-trayvons-innocence-liberal-rage-prompted/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/virginia-naacp-chief-dared-to-question-trayvons-innocence-liberal-rage-prompted/)
Virginia NAACP Chief Dares To Question Trayvon’s Innocence… Liberal Rage Promptly Ensues Including Demands For His Resignation
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
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If Zimmerman would have been black he never would have been charged.
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They had to search for a prosecutor to even take the case. I say justice served.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
Ohhhh the race card.... Well played ..... Bahahahaha :laugh:
Yes as only white people can be racist, wake up to yourself
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Tray on was out committing his savagery and got checked...end of story!
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Found an interesting comment:
"So a Hispanic shoots a black and is acquited by women, but it's still white men's fault."
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So, the cops have to give him back his gun, right?
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So, the cops have to give him back his gun, right?
According to an unofficial source, yes. Before he left the courtroom as his life is being threatened and in danger:
They did. and his brother said he has more reason now to have it considering all the threats.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts)
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
An interesting find:
For example, shortly before this event, a black man, who was being stalked by 4-5 white thugs, was at home one night when these thugs came to his house and began calling him names, and throwing rocks at his home from his drive way. He was safe in his home. It was secure and he was armed. He did not have to go out. But they were on his property and he decided to go out and confront them. There was an argument. One of the young men, about 19 years old, charged the man yelling that he was going to hurt him. The man shot...and the 19 year old died.
That man was not tried. He was not arrested for murder or manslaughter. Everyone knew these kids were on his property and up to no good. He could have stayed inside, but he decided to confront the evil on his property and when attacked, he defended himself. I have no problem with it...and believe more Americans should send such messages to criminals when they are threatened. 911 takes on average 9 minutes for anyone to get there. Usually by that time, it is over.
That above case happened in Florida by the way...and there was no outcry, no demands to punish that man for killing the much younger man. It was clearly self defense...as was this case with Zimmerman.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts)
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They had to search for a prosecutor to even take the case. I say justice served.
I think that justice will be served if Zimmerman sues Sanford City for malicious prosecution...and prevails!
Initially, they would not bring charges as they considered it to be self defense. Then the cnuts bowed to political pressure brought on by the prez, attorney general, and the rest of the race baiting "jesse jacksons" all around the country!
Also, if he sues NBC and other media "race baiters" who helped bring this whole racial frenzy to a boil. I don't think he can sue the president or attorney general (lower case on purpose) for the same thing, but he SHOULD be able to, in my opinion!
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
And if Zimmerman was also a white person .....then maybe, just maybe justice would have prevailed.
But I doubt it.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
And if Zimmerman was also a white person .....then maybe, just maybe justice would have prevailed.
But I doubt it.
Funny, I post this about a black man killing a white kid and was not charged. The 100% is proven to be bullshit. Of course since it came from Nookie that is expected, even though Nookie knows why GZ was not charged in the 1st place as opposed to the rest of us.
And Somnat, GZ is Hispanic, not white.
An interesting find:
For example, shortly before this event, a black man, who was being stalked by 4-5 white thugs, was at home one night when these thugs came to his house and began calling him names, and throwing rocks at his home from his drive way. He was safe in his home. It was secure and he was armed. He did not have to go out. But they were on his property and he decided to go out and confront them. There was an argument. One of the young men, about 19 years old, charged the man yelling that he was going to hurt him. The man shot...and the 19 year old died.
That man was not tried. He was not arrested for murder or manslaughter. Everyone knew these kids were on his property and up to no good. He could have stayed inside, but he decided to confront the evil on his property and when attacked, he defended himself. I have no problem with it...and believe more Americans should send such messages to criminals when they are threatened. 911 takes on average 9 minutes for anyone to get there. Usually by that time, it is over.
That above case happened in Florida by the way...and there was no outcry, no demands to punish that man for killing the much younger man. It was clearly self defense...as was this case with Zimmerman.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts)
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
And if Zimmerman was also a white person .....then maybe, just maybe justice would have prevailed.
But I doubt it.
Funny, I post this about a black man killing a white kid and was not charged. The 100% is proven to be bullshit. Of course since it came from Nookie that is expected, even though Nookie knows why GZ was not charged in the 1st place as opposed to the rest of us.
And Somnat, GZ is Hispanic, not white.
An interesting find:
For example, shortly before this event, a black man, who was being stalked by 4-5 white thugs, was at home one night when these thugs came to his house and began calling him names, and throwing rocks at his home from his drive way. He was safe in his home. It was secure and he was armed. He did not have to go out. But they were on his property and he decided to go out and confront them. There was an argument. One of the young men, about 19 years old, charged the man yelling that he was going to hurt him. The man shot...and the 19 year old died.
That man was not tried. He was not arrested for murder or manslaughter. Everyone knew these kids were on his property and up to no good. He could have stayed inside, but he decided to confront the evil on his property and when attacked, he defended himself. I have no problem with it...and believe more Americans should send such messages to criminals when they are threatened. 911 takes on average 9 minutes for anyone to get there. Usually by that time, it is over.
That above case happened in Florida by the way...and there was no outcry, no demands to punish that man for killing the much younger man. It was clearly self defense...as was this case with Zimmerman.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts)
Here Here shot the fookers what ever there colour :-)
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Well said Nookie,well said.
Maybe you need to speak up because most people can't hear you,or is it they don't want to hear you. character4
R.I.P. Trayvon.
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Keith, I realize that Zimmerman is Hispanic. I was talking hypothetically .......
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Keith, I realize that Zimmerman is Hispanic. I was talking hypothetically .......
Try not to confuse him Somnat,otherwise he gets crazy and gets has water pistol out. hahaha
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I agree with President Obama, He said we are a nation of laws and we must respect the process, I'm paraphrasing. Like Zimmerman, OJ was found not guilty, and since we don't know the complete story in either case we either accept the verdict or take another step toward anarchy.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
And if Zimmerman was also a white person .....then maybe, just maybe justice would have prevailed.
But I doubt it.
Funny, I post this about a black man killing a white kid and was not charged. The 100% is proven to be bullshit. Of course since it came from Nookie that is expected, even though Nookie knows why GZ was not charged in the 1st place as opposed to the rest of us.
And Somnat, GZ is Hispanic, not white.
An interesting find:
For example, shortly before this event, a black man, who was being stalked by 4-5 white thugs, was at home one night when these thugs came to his house and began calling him names, and throwing rocks at his home from his drive way. He was safe in his home. It was secure and he was armed. He did not have to go out. But they were on his property and he decided to go out and confront them. There was an argument. One of the young men, about 19 years old, charged the man yelling that he was going to hurt him. The man shot...and the 19 year old died.
That man was not tried. He was not arrested for murder or manslaughter. Everyone knew these kids were on his property and up to no good. He could have stayed inside, but he decided to confront the evil on his property and when attacked, he defended himself. I have no problem with it...and believe more Americans should send such messages to criminals when they are threatened. 911 takes on average 9 minutes for anyone to get there. Usually by that time, it is over.
That above case happened in Florida by the way...and there was no outcry, no demands to punish that man for killing the much younger man. It was clearly self defense...as was this case with Zimmerman.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3042663/posts)
Here Here shot the fookers what ever there colour :-)
I simply cannot believe what i am reading,you are suggesting that it's ok to go outside of your home and kill a 19 year old lad because he was SHOUTING ABUSIVE REMARKS.
The statement above already suggests that the man was quite safe within the security of his home,he had the opportunity to call 911 and wait for their response.
But no he decided to go outside and take a life,he decided to become judge,jury,and executioner.
In my honest opinion the man inside only had to call the police and this very small matter could have been dealt with without the lose of a life.
The man who took that young boys life should in my honest opinion be sitting facing a life sentence,or on death row.
He should of been charged with MURDER
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Judged by his peers, according to the law, found innocent......why on this Forum are we judging Zimmerman as a murderer, aswell as raising Trayvon as a saint?
Just maybe Trayvon was a violent little turd, wannabe gangster and Zimmerman was defending himself and his neighbours according to the laws of his state and country slapfight
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
I simply cannot believe what i am reading,you are suggesting that it's ok to go outside of your home and kill a 19 year old lad because he was SHOUTING ABUSIVE REMARKS.
The statement above already suggests that the man was quite safe within the security of his home,he had the opportunity to call 911 and wait for their response.
But no he decided to go outside and take a life,he decided to become judge,jury,and executioner.
In my honest opinion the man inside only had to call the police and this very small matter could have been dealt with without the lose of a life.
The man who took that young boys life should in my honest opinion be sitting facing a life sentence,or on death row.
He should of been charged with MURDER
Antonio, do you read what you post?
First you say that if Trayvon would have been white Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
Then when I provide an example of a white being killed and the man not charged, you want to find the guy guilty, must be because the shooter was black.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
I simply cannot believe what i am reading,you are suggesting that it's ok to go outside of your home and kill a 19 year old lad because he was SHOUTING ABUSIVE REMARKS.
The statement above already suggests that the man was quite safe within the security of his home,he had the opportunity to call 911 and wait for their response.
But no he decided to go outside and take a life,he decided to become judge,jury,and executioner.
In my honest opinion the man inside only had to call the police and this very small matter could have been dealt with without the lose of a life.
The man who took that young boys life should in my honest opinion be sitting facing a life sentence,or on death row.
He should of been charged with MURDER
Antonio, do you read what you post?
First you say that if Trayvon would have been white Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
Then when I provide an example of a white being killed and the man not charged, you want to find the guy guilty, must be because the shooter was black.
Or it could be that i am reading the facts and my opinions are not of a racist point.
Black or white the man in the house had no right to go outside and murder anyone.
I am not bothered about COLOUR.
What about you?
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Judged by his peers, according to the law, found innocent......why on this Forum are we judging Zimmerman as a murderer, aswell as raising Trayvon as a saint?
Just maybe Trayvon was a violent little turd, wannabe gangster and Zimmerman was defending himself and his neighbours according to the laws of his state and country slapfight
Maybe,maybe,maybe,maybe,maybe Trayvon was violent but that don't give Zimmerman the right to take a life.
Florida has the second most amount of people sitting on death row in all of the 50 states,only California has more.
If Trayvon would have been white Zimmerman would be just another inmate sitting on death row in Florida.
But Trayvon was black and that's the reason Zimmerman ain't on DEATH ROW.
Nothing to do about being judged by his peers.
Wake up yourself.
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Antonio you say you are not bothered about colour but you have brought colour into the argument several times, obviously you are an expert on the socio-economic and legal landscape in America, and you will have all the answers to why the justice system let down such a fine example of American youth in this day and age. Are you saing the judge and jury were wrong? Do you have an insight or evidence that was not produced in the court?.... I would believe not party15
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Or it could be that i am reading the facts and my opinions are not of a racist point.
Black or white the man in the house had no right to go outside and murder anyone.
I am not bothered about COLOUR.
What about you?
Your own posts dispute what you are saying. You said: If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
That opinion is all about race.
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Thought provoking video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxATnobG_Y8
The guy is pretty smart, he posted this before the Zimmerman verdict and predicted Not Guilty. He have very valid points.
I saw the 1967 riots first hand in Ohio and Detroit, the inner cities were ravaged. I was also in LA the night the Rodney King riots started, what total wanton destruction.
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Or it could be that i am reading the facts and my opinions are not of a racist point.
Black or white the man in the house had no right to go outside and murder anyone.
I am not bothered about COLOUR.
What about you?
Your own posts dispute what you are saying. You said: If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
That opinion is all about race.
No that opinion is based on the American legal system.
Try not to be an idiot all your life Keith.
A black man standing accused of killing a white man,verdict guilty.
A white man standing accused of killing a black man,verdict not guilty.
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Antonio you say you are not bothered about colour but you have brought colour into the argument several times, obviously you are an expert on the socio-economic and legal landscape in America, and you will have all the answers to why the justice system let down such a fine example of American youth in this day and age. Are you saing the judge and jury were wrong? Do you have an insight or evidence that was not produced in the court?.... I would believe not party15
Yes the judge and jury were wrong.
White judge.
5 Out of the 6 members of the jury were white.
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Or it could be that i am reading the facts and my opinions are not of a racist point.
Black or white the man in the house had no right to go outside and murder anyone.
I am not bothered about COLOUR.
What about you?
Your own posts dispute what you are saying. You said: If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
That opinion is all about race.
No that opinion is based on the American legal system.
Try not to be an idiot all your life Keith.
A black man standing accused of killing a white man,verdict guilty.
A white man standing accused of killing a black man,verdict not guilty.
Actually that is an opinion on the American legal system.... OJ accused of stabbing to death a white woman and man..... Found innocent.... Your thoughts Antonio ??????
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Or it could be that i am reading the facts and my opinions are not of a racist point.
Black or white the man in the house had no right to go outside and murder anyone.
I am not bothered about COLOUR.
What about you?
Your own posts dispute what you are saying. You said: If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
That opinion is all about race.
No that opinion is based on the American legal system.
Try not to be an idiot all your life Keith.
A black man standing accused of killing a white man,verdict guilty.
A white man standing accused of killing a black man,verdict not guilty.
Try not to make such stupid posts.
I posted Black Man kills White Teen, Not Guilty (not even charged). And then you make an idiot post saying: A black man standing accused of killing a white man,verdict guilty. And you compound it by saying he is guilty.
Antonio, when you are in a deep hole, stop digging. But then you continue to opinion about race which contridicts: my opinions are not of a racist point.
There is an idiot here, and it is not me. Do you only open your mouth to switch foots?
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Antonio you say you are not bothered about colour but you have brought colour into the argument several times, obviously you are an expert on the socio-economic and legal landscape in America, and you will have all the answers to why the justice system let down such a fine example of American youth in this day and age. Are you saing the judge and jury were wrong? Do you have an insight or evidence that was not produced in the court?.... I would believe not party15
Yes the judge and jury were wrong.
White judge.
5 Out of the 6 members of the jury were white.
So the whites are protecting the Hispanics, with Jewish type names from the African Americans ?????
Glad your keeping the race out of this bravo1
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Or it could be that i am reading the facts and my opinions are not of a racist point.
Black or white the man in the house had no right to go outside and murder anyone.
I am not bothered about COLOUR.
What about you?
Your own posts dispute what you are saying. You said: If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
That opinion is all about race.
No that opinion is based on the American legal system.
Try not to be an idiot all your life Keith.
A black man standing accused of killing a white man,verdict guilty.
A white man standing accused of killing a black man,verdict not guilty.
Try not to make such stupid posts.
I posted Black Man kills White Teen, Not Guilty (not even charged). And then you make an idiot post saying: A black man standing accused of killing a white man,verdict guilty. And you compound it by saying he is guilty.
Antonio, when you are in a deep hole, stop digging. But then you continue to opinion about race which contridicts: my opinions are not of a racist point.
There is an idiot here, and it is not me. Do you only open your mouth to switch foots?
You are right there is only 1 idiot on here and the majority have told you many times it's you.
You are the one that has said i have no problem with killing people,i have no problem with killing 19 year old kids,just because they have made mistakes,you my friend are the idiot.
You know what i mean the general view of crime and punishment in your country is appalling.
Children being tried as adults,children with 30 maybe 35 years of prison in front of them is a crime within itself.
Children in prison at the age of 12/13 years of age serving sentences of life without the possibility of parole.
Do you honestly believe that's humane.
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Trayvon won't have to worry about prison..... Maybe more humane that way, laws in all countries always fall behind the wishes or reasoned morality of the society it serves, but it would be wrong to point out the USA as the worst in barbarism on this planet...... I can think of many more worse.
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Trayvon won't have to worry about prison..... Maybe more humane that way, laws in all countries always fall behind the wishes or reasoned morality of the society it serves, but it would be wrong to point out the USA as the worst in barbarism on this planet...... I can think of many more worse.
I would say most things out of the U.S.A.are wrong.
Except one specific thing,airport departure lounges,the best thing about America.
Is leaving it.
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You are right there is only 1 idiot on here and the majority have told you many times it's you.
You are the one that has said i have no problem with killing people,i have no problem with killing 19 year old kids,just because they have made mistakes,you my friend are the idiot.
You know what i mean the general view of crime and punishment in your country is appalling.
Children being tried as adults,children with 30 maybe 35 years of prison in front of them is a crime within itself.
Children in prison at the age of 12/13 years of age serving sentences of life without the possibility of parole.
Do you honestly believe that's humane.
Maybe you are only half an idiot, you at least stopped making your stupid race opinions.
Go back to my posting on things being sad, that is what I think and feel, not your words.
It is truly sad that Trayvon Martin was killed, and also sad that Zimmerman was put in a position where he had to defend himself using deadly force. I understand using deadly force better than most.
And it is sad the personal responsibility was not taught to Trayvon, and sad that he idolized being a thug instead growing up to be a pilot or engineer.
My objection to the Trayvon Martin killing was the race baiters that got involved, to include Obama, and trampled George Zimmerman's rights. It will be good to see GZ getting payback, he is already sueing NBC for their blatant attack on him.
And I agree with Michael, the guy in video I posted, black on black crime is out control. Respect for human life needs to be ingrained in people. But it is too easy to claim to be a victim rather stand up for personal responsibility. At 17, Trayvon should have already been taught that.
I really believe in the American dream of Life, Liberty and the pursuits of happiness. To bad there are people like you the disparage it.
And since you are so smart. Quote me exactly where I say I am OK with killing 19 year old kids, just because they have made mistakes.
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Trayvon won't have to worry about prison..... Maybe more humane that way, laws in all countries always fall behind the wishes or reasoned morality of the society it serves, but it would be wrong to point out the USA as the worst in barbarism on this planet...... I can think of many more worse.
I would say most things out of the U.S.A.are wrong.
Except one specific thing,airport departure lounges,the best thing about America.
Is leaving it.
How about don't come in the first place.
Since you hate the USA, stay away, we don't need/want you there. We already have enough haters.
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Personal responsibility not individual rights.... There are enough teens and young adults that are all about their rights instead about their responsibility to the society they live in. In a country dominated by guns, bringing your thug attitude to a gun fight only has one result.... Obviously satan is ice skating to work as I am in agreement with Keith :o ohmybar party4
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Trayvon won't have to worry about prison..... Maybe more humane that way, laws in all countries always fall behind the wishes or reasoned morality of the society it serves, but it would be wrong to point out the USA as the worst in barbarism on this planet...... I can think of many more worse.
I would say most things out of the U.S.A.are wrong.
Except one specific thing,airport departure lounges,the best thing about America.
Is leaving it.
How about don't come in the first place.
Since you hate the USA, stay away, we don't need/want you there. We already have enough haters.
Never been,and never want to go.
Your quote Keith=We already have enough haters.
Ever wondered why.
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Trayvon won't have to worry about prison..... Maybe more humane that way, laws in all countries always fall behind the wishes or reasoned morality of the society it serves, but it would be wrong to point out the USA as the worst in barbarism on this planet...... I can think of many more worse.
I would say most things out of the U.S.A.are wrong.
Except one specific thing,airport departure lounges,the best thing about America.
Is leaving it.
How about don't come in the first place.
Since you hate the USA, stay away, we don't need/want you there. We already have enough haters.
Never been,and never want to go.
Your quote Keith=We already have enough haters.
Ever wondered why.
Ignorance comes to mind....... So your opinion is not from first hand knowledge.... Yes ignorance comes to mind..... Also prejudice ..... Well done Antonio congrats
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That opinion is all about race.
[/quote]No that opinion is based on the American legal system.
Try not to be an idiot all your life Keith.
A black man standing accused of killing a white man,verdict guilty.
A white man standing accused of killing a black man,verdict not guilty.
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VIOUSLY YOU FORGOT ABOUT OJ SIMPSON!!
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Trayvon won't have to worry about prison..... Maybe more humane that way, laws in all countries always fall behind the wishes or reasoned morality of the society it serves, but it would be wrong to point out the USA as the worst in barbarism on this planet...... I can think of many more worse.
I would say most things out of the U.S.A.are wrong.
Except one specific thing,airport departure lounges,the best thing about America.
Is leaving it.
How about don't come in the first place.
Since you hate the USA, stay away, we don't need/want you there. We already have enough haters.
Never been,and never want to go.
Your quote Keith=We already have enough haters.
Ever wondered why.
Ignorance comes to mind....... So your opinion is not from first hand knowledge.... Yes ignorance comes to mind..... Also prejudice ..... Well done Antonio congrats
You must be talking about Americans,using words like ignorance and prejudice in the same sentence.
America must be one of the most ignorant countries in the world,as for prejudice,well say no more. bravo1
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Well I'm not an American, and ignorance is obviously not the sole disposition of the yanks
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Well I'm not an American, and ignorance is obviously not the sole disposition of the yanks
That is soooo true, you just have to read a post from Nookie to know that (such as his last post on this topic).
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Well I'm not an American, and ignorance is obviously not the sole disposition of the yanks
Really.
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100 million.. Really... Although experts cannot agree on the total population of the Native American Indian at the time of American independence it is thought to be between 1.15 million up to a potential 12 million. I guess they are related to cats and lost all their 9 lives.
We're the Spanish better in South America ? We're the British kinder in Ireland, Australia or the sub continent, the French in Indo-China? The Mongols in Europe and China? The Japanese in China, and the South Pacific .... Should the sins of the father be revisited on the sons?????
Seems to be a lot of talk without much fact or evidence.... Obviously prejudice, no the Americans as a country have blood on their hands, which country doesn't ?
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Note that this Genecide started in 1492. From another report, 95% of all Indian deaths were from European Diseases that the early settlers brought. So the Spanish, French and Brits are the main culprits, not the citizens of the US. Of course we can blame the evil Ruskies for any genecide in Alaska.
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This post has degenerated into a "you are and idiot", with a response of "no you are a bigger idiot". newargue newargue newargue
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100 million.. Really... Although experts cannot agree on the total population of the Native American Indian at the time of American independence it is thought to be between 1.15 million up to a potential 12 million. I guess they are related to cats and lost all their 9 lives.
We're the Spanish better in South America ? We're the British kinder in Ireland, Australia or the sub continent, the French in Indo-China? The Mongols in Europe and China? The Japanese in China, and the South Pacific .... Should the sins of the father be revisited on the sons?????
Seems to be a lot of talk without much fact or evidence.... Obviously prejudice, no the Americans as a country have blood on their hands, which country doesn't ?
bravo1
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Or it could be that i am reading the facts and my opinions are not of a racist point.
Black or white the man in the house had no right to go outside and murder anyone.
I am not bothered about COLOUR.
What about you?
Your own posts dispute what you are saying. You said: If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
That opinion is all about race.
No that opinion is based on the American legal system.
Try not to be an idiot all your life Keith.
A black man standing accused of killing a white man,verdict guilty.
A white man standing accused of killing a black man,verdict not guilty.
Michael Richards better known as Kramer from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.
This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act. He makes some very interesting points...
Someone finally said it. How many are actually paying attention to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you.. so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.
You have the NAACP. You have BET. If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that??
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US ... Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud...... But you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists??
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O J SIMPSON GETS A NOT GUILTY FOR MURDER ??
NOT A MOAN OR WORD OR PROTEST FROM ANYONE ???
ZIMMERMAN SELF DEFENCE AND THERE'S UPROAR ??
DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU LOT BUT I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BOLOX ??
MOBO AWARDS BUT NO MOWO AWARDS ?
GET REAL !
burirampea buriram_united burirampea
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OBKogMxbRAU#t=0s
UPDATE 7:19 p.m. -- John Henry Spooner has been found guilty of first-degree intentional homicide in the fatal shooting of Darius Simmons.
ORIGINAL STORY -- A video entered as evidence in the murder trial of John Henry Spooner on Tuesday appears to show the 76-year-old shooting his 13-year-old neighbor Darius Simmons dead.
The Milwaukee senior is charged with first-degree homicide after the alleged incident in May last year. Jurors saw the video (below), taken from Spooner's own surveillance camera, that shows the suspect walk out of his house, brandishing a gun. After a short argument, the man in the video waves the gun around before he shoots Simmons in the chest. Simmons manages to flee outside the scope of the camera before dying.
The evidence was recorded in court Tuesday and provided to Crime by the Journal-Sentinel.
Simmons' mother, Patricia Larry, testified in court that Spooner accused her son of burglarizing his home, stealing several weapons. She said Spooner told Simmons he'd teach him a lesson before firing the fatal shot.
She added that her son died in her arms moments later.
Police say Spooner admitted to the crime, and that he claimed Simmons was part of a black family next door that had caused nothing but trouble, according to the Associated Press.
Jury selection began Monday, and potential jurors were asked about their thoughts on racial issues, as well as the recent and George Zimmerman trial, according to local news station TMJ-4.
Jurors will need to decide whether Spooner intentionally killed Simmons, and whether Spooner was suffering from a mental illness at the time that prevented him from knowing right from wrong.
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obviously
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But he wasn't,he was murdered in America.
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Some updates:
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R.I.P Trayvon.
Whatever mistakes you made you never deserved to be murdered.
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american gun culture explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-iVRStlS2o
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american gun culture explained
bravo1 Beer_Leo bravo1
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R.I.P Trayvon.
Whatever mistakes you made you never deserved to be murdered.
Very ,Very True............If he had been in any other country in the world,he'd still be alive!!
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R.I.P Trayvon.
Whatever mistakes you made you never deserved to be murdered.
Very ,Very True............If he had been in any other country in the world,he'd still be alive!!
Wow, Paul is speaking for the whole world again, must be great to be so smart that you can do that. What study, data, or research did you use to come up with your brilliant proclamation?
According the map at the referenced site, the darker the color the higher the rate, the US is not even in the top 10. So if you go just go by color, it would appear based on murder rates that the US is about midway. So by my quick analysis using this data (as opposed to talking out of the anal orifice) it would appear the Trayvon would have about a 50/50 chance anywhere else in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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Map of World Murder rates:
The darker the shade, the higher the rate:
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Antonio’s statement about Travon
“Whatever mistakes you made you never deserved to be murdered.”
Antonio’s advise to Urleft if you have been in an accident (possible vehicular homicide) is:
Simply solution in future DON'T STOP.
As Urleft states ,we must be ''responsible for our actions''.
Candy states :
we must be ''responsible for our actions''.
Antonio’s answer to “We must be responsible for our own actions” Candy you really are a funny guy.
Nookie Bear Quote
“Keith,I didn't advocate not stopping BUT in an incident like this you should look after No 1 Yourself.”
Antonio Quote
“No you are what you get away with. ”
Urleft why do you even try?? You would get further on the Huffington Post!
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R.I.P Trayvon.
Whatever mistakes you made you never deserved to be murdered.
Very ,Very True............If he had been in any other country in the world,he'd still be alive!!
Wow, Paul is speaking for the whole world again, must be great to be so smart that you can do that. What study, data, or research did you use to come up with your brilliant proclamation?
According the map at the referenced site, the darker the color the higher the rate, the US is not even in the top 10. So if you go just go by color, it would appear based on murder rates that the US is about midway. So by my quick analysis using this data (as opposed to talking out of the anal orifice) it would appear the Trayvon would have about a 50/50 chance anywhere else in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
I would certainly hope that it wouldn't be in the top ten being a first world country, comparing to El salvador , Nigeria , Afganistan etc, but the color seems a bit darker than the countries with gun control laws....just my thoughts... party15
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
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R.I.P Trayvon.
Whatever mistakes you made you never deserved to be murdered.
Very ,Very True............If he had been in any other country in the world,he'd still be alive!!
Wow, Paul is speaking for the whole world again, must be great to be so smart that you can do that. What study, data, or research did you use to come up with your brilliant proclamation?
According the map at the referenced site, the darker the color the higher the rate, the US is not even in the top 10. So if you go just go by color, it would appear based on murder rates that the US is about midway. So by my quick analysis using this data (as opposed to talking out of the anal orifice) it would appear the Trayvon would have about a 50/50 chance anywhere else in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)
I would certainly hope that it wouldn't be in the top ten being a first world country, comparing to El salvador , Nigeria , Afganistan etc, but the color seems a bit darker than the countries with gun control laws....just my thoughts... party15
I would tend to agree with you. However, Nookie made no such caveat so I am interested in how he was able to come to such a conclusion.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
Like you said Bart, you might as well try the Huffington Post, facts do not matter to them.
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
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O J SIMPSON GETS A NOT GUILTY FOR MURDER ??
NOT A MOAN OR WORD OR PROTEST FROM ANYONE ???
ZIMMERMAN SELF DEFENCE AND THERE'S UPROAR ??
DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU LOT BUT I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BOLOX ??
MOBO AWARDS BUT NO MOWO AWARDS ?
GET REAL !
burirampea buriram_united burirampea
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
In their defense, they are not shown the real America.
This is the America where my Black neighbor came to tell me some white guy was casing my house, together he and I started to check on the guy.
This is America where my Neighborhood was bascially integrated basically on the national average. When the April Tornados decimated Alabama, we worked together to fix up the neighborhood.
This is America where I hired a black professional, 2 years later he was being transferred to another area, he came to me as asked if there was some way he could continue to work for me. I told him do not worry, I had his back, he would not see differences on where he was going. When I asked him a year later, he admitted I was right. BTW, I hired him (based on a recommendation of one of my Army buddies), for less money than he was earning because I told him if he was good enough he would earn more than he was currently. He earned more.
This is America where the 15 blacks that worked for me got together and out of their pockets had a special coffee mug made for me when I was transferred. I have this mug here in Thailand with me.
But these stories are not told. Only the racist flames are shown.
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
This is America where the 15 blacks that worked for me got together and out of their pockets had a special coffee mug made for me when I was transferred. I have this mug here in Thailand with me.
You must be so proud 15 of your friends that managed to scrape together enough money to buy you a SPECIAL coffee mug.
They must of thought the world of you.
hahaha hahaha hahaha
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D party2 punk redman Wildman
I bet they had a massive party after you were transferred!
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S.
The criminal justice system is well documented.Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, but 30 percent of people arrested, 41 percent of people in jail,and 49 percent of those in prison.Nine percent of all black adults are under some form of correctional supervision (in jail or prison, on probation or parole), compared to two percent of white adults.
Nationwide, blacks are incarcerated at 8.2 times the rate of whites. That is, a black person is 8.2 times more likely to be in prison than a white person.
kamoybeer
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S.
The criminal justice system is well documented.Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, but 30 percent of people arrested, 41 percent of people in jail,and 49 percent of those in prison.Nine percent of all black adults are under some form of correctional supervision (in jail or prison, on probation or parole), compared to two percent of white adults.
Nationwide, blacks are incarcerated at 8.2 times the rate of whites. That is, a black person is 8.2 times more likely to be in prison than a white person.
kamoybeer
What are you trying to say?
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
This is America where the 15 blacks that worked for me got together and out of their pockets had a special coffee mug made for me when I was transferred. I have this mug here in Thailand with me.
You must be so proud 15 of your friends that managed to scrape together enough money to buy you a SPECIAL coffee mug.
They must of thought the world of you.
hahaha hahaha hahaha
They weren't my friends. I was their boss, or more likely their bosses, bosses, boss. So I was very surprised as I had been told they would hide from as I would walk through the halls. And yes, I was pleased that they would scape together the money to have a hand made special designed ceramic mug with the unit symbol and my name on it.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S.
The criminal justice system is well documented.Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, but 30 percent of people arrested, 41 percent of people in jail,and 49 percent of those in prison.Nine percent of all black adults are under some form of correctional supervision (in jail or prison, on probation or parole), compared to two percent of white adults.
Nationwide, blacks are incarcerated at 8.2 times the rate of whites. That is, a black person is 8.2 times more likely to be in prison than a white person.
kamoybeer
What are you trying to say?
These numbers all add up to ......Black people are criminals :o :o :o ohmybar
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D party2 punk redman Wildman
I bet they had a massive party after you were transferred!
I would have thought so, I was old crusty Army with over 24 years in at the time. So when I got to the next unit I was litterally and figuratively the old man.
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
This is America where the 15 blacks that worked for me got together and out of their pockets had a special coffee mug made for me when I was transferred. I have this mug here in Thailand with me.
You must be so proud 15 of your friends that managed to scrape together enough money to buy you a SPECIAL coffee mug.
They must of thought the world of you.
hahaha hahaha hahaha
They weren't my friends. I was their boss, or more likely their bosses, bosses, boss. So I was very surprised as I had been told they would hide from as I would walk through the halls. And yes, I was pleased that they would scape together the money to have a hand made special designed ceramic mug with the unit symbol and my name on it.
Roots the TV miniseries comes to mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiYEpgKevjM
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S.
The criminal justice system is well documented.Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, but 30 percent of people arrested, 41 percent of people in jail,and 49 percent of those in prison.Nine percent of all black adults are under some form of correctional supervision (in jail or prison, on probation or parole), compared to two percent of white adults.
Nationwide, blacks are incarcerated at 8.2 times the rate of whites. That is, a black person is 8.2 times more likely to be in prison than a white person.
kamoybeer
What are you trying to say?
These numbers all add up to ......Black people are criminals :o :o :o ohmybar
hahaha hahaha
So are Australians if my memory serves me correct.
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
This is America where the 15 blacks that worked for me got together and out of their pockets had a special coffee mug made for me when I was transferred. I have this mug here in Thailand with me.
You must be so proud 15 of your friends that managed to scrape together enough money to buy you a SPECIAL coffee mug.
They must of thought the world of you.
hahaha hahaha hahaha
They weren't my friends. I was their boss, or more likely their bosses, bosses, boss. So I was very surprised as I had been told they would hide from as I would walk through the halls. And yes, I was pleased that they would scape together the money to have a hand made special designed ceramic mug with the unit symbol and my name on it.
Roots the TV miniseries comes to mind.
Do you think they were trying to tell you something because they bought you a MUG.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S.
The criminal justice system is well documented.Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, but 30 percent of people arrested, 41 percent of people in jail,and 49 percent of those in prison.Nine percent of all black adults are under some form of correctional supervision (in jail or prison, on probation or parole), compared to two percent of white adults.
Nationwide, blacks are incarcerated at 8.2 times the rate of whites. That is, a black person is 8.2 times more likely to be in prison than a white person.
kamoybeer
What are you trying to say?
These numbers all add up to ......Black people are criminals :o :o :o ohmybar
hahaha hahaha
So are Australians if my memory serves me correct.
Since Australia was a colony, and was not federated till 1901 the convict nation was British punk, sorry the use of simple sarcasm was wasted wackobar
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So now this thread has turned into a discrimination thread instead of a thread about gun control.
May I hypothosise??? Thankyou.
Discrimination is rife all around the world always has been and always will be.
Some simple examples appear on this thread. Talk about Hispanic v black, Black v White, ect....... . Even an innocuous post from on poster had racist tones about it.
Say for example someone said that "some employees of mine got together and bought me a mug". Responses may well be a sarcastic "you must have been very proud" Would you feel proud?
Lets change the sentence to " some black workers of mine got together and bought me a mug". Is this discriminative?? Yes it is. It has tones of " my black workers, that earn far less than me, bought a token of their appreciation. It wasn't much but that is all that they can afford". In this case would being proud be the correct feeling to have? Are you proud because of the class of people that bought you the gift? Racist pride?
Figures have been posted about percentages of people in prison. The reply, possibly tongue in cheek, was of discrimination. I must ask, though, are blacks 8.2 times more likely to commit a crime? If they are then is this because of geo-demographic discrimination? What about other ethic groups?
If we are led to believe all the talk that police, courts, judges and juries make decisions on race then how would white on white, black on black, hispanic on hispanic or Thai on Thai crime be solved?
Are there certain ethnic groups that should have special treatment? Let me give you an example:
There is a job vacancy. The Director of company puts out an advert. There are 4 applicants. They all fit the specs perfectly. They are all qualified, have the relavant experience and the director is sure they will all do a good job. One is a white male, one is a white female, one is a white gay male, and one is a black female.There is a problem. Personnel figures at the company show that certain ratios are not being met. Civil rights groups are having a go. There are not enough black workers in this company. Gay activists have pointed at the lack of gay employees and women's rights have noted the lack of female workers. Who gets the job? Well it looks like the straight white male is out of luck. Is that discrimination??? Yes it is. Laws have simply taken the emphasis of descrimination from the minorities to the majority. By saying that a certain class, race or even religion has to be employed is taking away from the others.
Discrimination is bollocks which ever way you look at it. Anyone who reads this that feels they have never been discriminated against can feel very lucky. Civil rights movements, changes to amendments, new bylaws, courts or even expat forums are never going to sort out the problem. It is up to each and every individual to start at their own grass roots level and start to get rid of this cancer of "humanity".
I wish I still smoked. I fancy a cigarette now!
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
This is America where the 15 blacks that worked for me got together and out of their pockets had a special coffee mug made for me when I was transferred. I have this mug here in Thailand with me.
You must be so proud 15 of your friends that managed to scrape together enough money to buy you a SPECIAL coffee mug.
They must of thought the world of you.
hahaha hahaha hahaha
They weren't my friends. I was their boss, or more likely their bosses, bosses, boss. So I was very surprised as I had been told they would hide from as I would walk through the halls. And yes, I was pleased that they would scape together the money to have a hand made special designed ceramic mug with the unit symbol and my name on it.
Roots the TV miniseries comes to mind.
Do you think they were trying to tell you something because they bought you a MUG.
Absolutely. My bosses had a going away luncheon for me. Afterwards these 15 guys got me off to the side, all thanked me for being there, each shook my hand, said they hoped I could return after my new assignment, and then as a group saluted me. The strange part was I did nothing special for them, I treated everyone the same, but this included making sure the men got their education and met promotion requirements, I forced them to better themselves (I had personally counseled each and every one questioning them on what they had accomplished and told them what they needed to do), as such they had earned promotions.
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
This is America where the 15 blacks that worked for me got together and out of their pockets had a special coffee mug made for me when I was transferred. I have this mug here in Thailand with me.
You must be so proud 15 of your friends that managed to scrape together enough money to buy you a SPECIAL coffee mug.
They must of thought the world of you.
hahaha hahaha hahaha
They weren't my friends. I was their boss, or more likely their bosses, bosses, boss. So I was very surprised as I had been told they would hide from as I would walk through the halls. And yes, I was pleased that they would scape together the money to have a hand made special designed ceramic mug with the unit symbol and my name on it.
Roots the TV miniseries comes to mind.
Do you think they were trying to tell you something because they bought you a MUG.
This maybe of some help to you Speros.
Proud to be an Australian.
Australia day campaign 2013. hahaha hahaha
http://youtu.be/sxBu6dAuUfc
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Star,
Walter Williams has some excellent articles, this is on discrimination:
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2006/09/06/whats_discrimination/page/full (http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2006/09/06/whats_discrimination/page/full)
What's discrimination?
Walter E. Williams | Sep 06, 2006
There's so much confusion and emotionalism about discrimination that I thought I'd take a stab at a dispassionate analysis. Discrimination is simply the act of choice. When we choose Bordeaux wine, we discriminate against Burgundy wine. When I married Mrs. Williams, I discriminated against other women. Even though I occasionally think about equal opportunity, Mrs. Williams demands continued discrimination.
You say, "Williams, such discrimination doesn't harm anyone." You're wrong. Discriminating in favor of Bordeaux wine reduces the value of resources held in Burgundy production. Discriminating in favor of Mrs. Williams harmed other women by reducing their opportunity set, assuming I'm a man other women would marry.
Our lives are spent discriminating for or against one thing or another. In other words, choice requires discrimination. When we modify the term with race, sex, height, weight or age, we merely specify the choice criteria.
Imagine how silly, not to mention impossible, life would be if discrimination were outlawed. Imagine engaging in just about any activity where we couldn't discriminate by race, sex, height, weight, age, mannerisms, college selection, looks or ability; it would turn into a carnival.
I've sometimes asked students if they believe in equal opportunity in employment. Invariably, they answer yes. Then I ask them, when they graduate, whether they plan to give every employer an equal opportunity to hire them. Most often they answer no; they plan to discriminate against certain employers. Then I ask them, if they're not going to give every employer an equal opportunity to hire them, what's fair about requiring an employer to give them an equal opportunity to be hired?
Sometimes students will argue that certain forms of discrimination are OK but it's racial discrimination that's truly offensive. That's when I confess my own history of racial discrimination. In the late 1950s, whilst selecting a lifelong mate, even though white, Mexican, Indian, Chinese and Japanese women might have been just as qualified as a mate, I gave them no chance whatsoever. It appears that most Americans act identically by racially discriminating in setting up marriage contracts. According to the 1992 Census Bureau, only 2.2 percent of Americans are married to people other than their own race or ethnicity.
You say, "All right, Williams, discrimination in marriage doesn't have the impact on society that other forms of discrimination have." You're wrong again. When there is assortive (non-random) mate selection, it heightens whatever group differences exist in the population. For instance, higher IQ individuals tend toward mates with high IQs. High-income people tend to mate with other high-income people.
It's the same with education. To the extent there is a racial correlation between these characteristics, racial discrimination in mate selection exaggerates the differences in the society's intelligence and income distribution. There would be greater equality if there weren't this kind of discrimination in mate selection.
In other words, if high-IQ people were forced to select low-IQ mates, high-income people forced to select low-income mates, and highly educated people forced to select lowly educated mates, there would be greater social equality. While there would be greater social equality, the divorce rate would soar since gross dissimilarities would make for conflict.
Common sense suggests that not all discrimination should be eliminated, so the question is, what kind of discrimination should be permitted? I'm guessing the answer depends on one's values for freedom of association, keeping in mind freedom of association implies freedom not to associate.
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I wish I still smoked. I fancy a cigarette now!
Go on you know you want too. cool2.
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Failed my biology test today:
They asked, "What is commonly found in cells?"
Apparently "black people" wasn't the correct answer
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The same people that cheered the OJ verdict are the same ones that are protesting the Travon verdict. Seems quite racist to me.
This is America where the 15 blacks that worked for me got together and out of their pockets had a special coffee mug made for me when I was transferred. I have this mug here in Thailand with me.
You must be so proud 15 of your friends that managed to scrape together enough money to buy you a SPECIAL coffee mug.
They must of thought the world of you.
hahaha hahaha hahaha
They weren't my friends. I was their boss, or more likely their bosses, bosses, boss. So I was very surprised as I had been told they would hide from as I would walk through the halls. And yes, I was pleased that they would scape together the money to have a hand made special designed ceramic mug with the unit symbol and my name on it.
Roots the TV miniseries comes to mind.
Do you think they were trying to tell you something because they bought you a MUG.
This maybe of some help to you Speros.
Proud to be an Australian.
Australia day campaign 2013. hahaha hahaha
http://youtu.be/sxBu6dAuUfc
Why would it help me, my father was born in London , and my mothers family are from South Australia, which never had a convict colony..... But thank you for your effort sawadi
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Failed my biology test today:
They asked, "What is commonly found in cells?"
Apparently "black people" wasn't the correct answer
Affirmative action trick question :P
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A white guy goes into a bar and sees a black bartender.
He says, "yo, nigger, get me a beer!"
The bartender says, "that's very rude. How would you like it if I talked to you like that?"
The white guy says, "let's switch places and see!"
So they switch places.
The bartender says, " yo, cracka, get me a beer!"
The white guy says, "sorry, we don't serve niggers here!"
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Ya ever get the feeling we have wondered off of the original thread????? bike037 :wacko: slapfight cheergirl
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Back on track.
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While I was back in the states I happened by a counter selling the Desert Eagle. Woooo, what a pistol. Unfortunately it is made for a hand bigger than mine, so I had to pass.
However, the Judge is now on my want list:
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George Zimmerman got away with murder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23459963
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George Zimmerman got away with murder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23459963
George Zimmerman not guilty based on the law.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23459963
The article states that the juror stated that Zimerman was not gulity based on the law. I fail to see how he got away with murder if the law states that the killing was legal.
Another sensationalistic headline by the media.
You should note that I have not stated one way or the other what my personal thoughts are and I am only reporting the facts rather than misleading headlines.
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Zimmerman's walk through with the police the next day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c
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I saw this and thought of you lot.
"A steel worker stands near a pile of guns to be melted at the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department's 20th annual Gun Melt in Rancho Cucamonga, California. According to press releases from the sheriff's office, 5,495 weapons confiscated from criminals in Los Angeles County and collected through a gun buyback program are being melted and reformed as steel rebar at the mill."
Discuss....... swordfight
(please play nicely children)
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New Gun coming on the market:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwr2_d-lYGU
Guess what guys, you may not believe this, but I cannot think of a single reason for me to want one. I believe they should be allowed to try to sell it, but think they will lose their ASSets. Bigger is not always better.
I can say this because the largest round I have every personally fired was a 155mm. Also worked with 203mm rounds, but never pulled the lanyard. Was not really fun as I could not view the direct results. However, it was really interesting when I was on the receiving end of these weapons, would not care to do so again.
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George Zimmerman got away with murder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23459963
Not based upon the law. What is your point?
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S.
The criminal justice system is well documented.Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, but 30 percent of people arrested, 41 percent of people in jail,and 49 percent of those in prison.Nine percent of all black adults are under some form of correctional supervision (in jail or prison, on probation or parole), compared to two percent of white adults.
Nationwide, blacks are incarcerated at 8.2 times the rate of whites. That is, a black person is 8.2 times more likely to be in prison than a white person.
kamoybeer
So with the stats you have provided Zimmerman was quite smart to have been armed confronting a black man. Proves Zimmermans needed to carry a gun.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just like the OJ trial?
The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S.
The criminal justice system is well documented.Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, but 30 percent of people arrested, 41 percent of people in jail,and 49 percent of those in prison.Nine percent of all black adults are under some form of correctional supervision (in jail or prison, on probation or parole), compared to two percent of white adults.
Nationwide, blacks are incarcerated at 8.2 times the rate of whites. That is, a black person is 8.2 times more likely to be in prison than a white person.
kamoybeer
So with the stats you have provided Zimmerman was quite smart to have been armed confronting a black man. Proves Zimmermans needed to carry a gun.
All this tells me is that I 13% of the population is committing 75% of the crime, and only 49% of the prisons population is made up of the afore mentioned 13%, then law enforcement needs to step up its game. Just sayin....
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George Zimmerman got away with murder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23459963
Not based upon the law. What is your point?
THE LAW.
Try telling these people about the law.
The police and corrupt government politician who are meant to uphold the LAW are the real criminals.
They lied about these people for over 15 years.(Not one police officer ever faced any criminal charges.)
Most of these people spent more than 15 years in British prisons for crimes they never committed.
Innocent people.
Paul Michael Hill 21 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Gerard "Gerry" Conlon 21 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Patrick Armstrong 25 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Carole Richardson 17 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Anne Maguire 40 14 years
Patrick Maguire 42 14 years
Patrick Maguire 14 4 years
Vincent Maguire 17 5 years
Sean Smyth 37 12 years
Patrick O'Neill 35 12 years
Patrick "Giuseppe" Conlon 52 12 years (Died in a British prison an innocent man)
The LAW it's just another word.
It don't mean nothing to me.
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George Zimmerman got away with murder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23459963
Not based upon the law. What is your point?
THE LAW.
Try telling these people about the law.
The police and corrupt government politician who are meant to uphold the LAW are the real criminals.
They lied about these people for over 15 years.(Not one police officer ever faced any criminal charges.)
Most of these people spent more than 15 years in British prisons for crimes they never committed.
Innocent people.
Paul Michael Hill 21 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Gerard "Gerry" Conlon 21 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Patrick Armstrong 25 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Carole Richardson 17 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Anne Maguire 40 14 years
Patrick Maguire 42 14 years
Patrick Maguire 14 4 years
Vincent Maguire 17 5 years
Sean Smyth 37 12 years
Patrick O'Neill 35 12 years
Patrick "Giuseppe" Conlon 52 12 years (Died in a British prison an innocent man)
The LAW it's just another word.
It don't mean nothing to me.
“Everybody knows the IRA know who did this but they would never have the courage to reveal it – they are too ashamed to admit the horrors they carried out on British soil. But if they just had the courage to do so they could end the pain and misery that the victims have been suffering once and for all. But they don’t care about the innocent families caught up in this, they don’t care about the innocent people they massacred who had just popped out for a drink.
So the wounds continue to fester and one of the worst acts of mass murder ever carried out on British soil remains unsolved and may never be solved simply because the IRA are too ashamed to admit what they did. It is a disgusting situation to be left in for everyone involved.”
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George Zimmerman got away with murder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23459963
Not based upon the law. What is your point?
THE LAW.
Try telling these people about the law.
The police and corrupt government politician who are meant to uphold the LAW are the real criminals.
They lied about these people for over 15 years.(Not one police officer ever faced any criminal charges.)
Most of these people spent more than 15 years in British prisons for crimes they never committed.
Innocent people.
Paul Michael Hill 21 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Gerard "Gerry" Conlon 21 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Patrick Armstrong 25 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Carole Richardson 17 life in prison recommendation to serve 30 years.
Anne Maguire 40 14 years
Patrick Maguire 42 14 years
Patrick Maguire 14 4 years
Vincent Maguire 17 5 years
Sean Smyth 37 12 years
Patrick O'Neill 35 12 years
Patrick "Giuseppe" Conlon 52 12 years (Died in a British prison an innocent man)
The LAW it's just another word.
It don't mean nothing to me.
“Everybody knows the IRA know who did this but they would never have the courage to reveal it – they are too ashamed to admit the horrors they carried out on British soil. But if they just had the courage to do so they could end the pain and misery that the victims have been suffering once and for all. But they don’t care about the innocent families caught up in this, they don’t care about the innocent people they massacred who had just popped out for a drink.
So the wounds continue to fester and one of the worst acts of mass murder ever carried out on British soil remains unsolved and may never be solved simply because the IRA are too ashamed to admit what they did. It is a disgusting situation to be left in for everyone involved.”
Of course the IRA knew who carried out the bombing,but why should they give their own people up,surly that's up to the police,and what did they do,sent innocent people to jail to serve long prison sentences without any remorse,knowing they were innocent people.
The horrors they carried out on British soil.
What about the horrors carried out on Irish soil by brave British soldiers,beating of innocent people,murder of innocent people just because they were Catholic,and of course we can't forget the brave British Army's First Battalion of the Parachute Regiment for the murder of 14 innocent unarmed people,some only teenagers.
As for people popping out for a drink,what about the Shankill Road Butchers members of the (UDF),killed innocent people out enjoying themselves simply because they were Catholic.
Unfortunately in war people die but i don't see why they should feel ashamed,takes at least two sides to make a war.
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Unfortunately in war people die but i don't see why they should feel ashamed,takes at least two sides to make a war.
True. War does not prove who is right, It just comfirms who is left.
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For any Kindle owners out there, free gun smithing book at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004BDORIS (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004BDORIS)
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http://descrier.co.uk/world/2013/08/us-armed-14-year-old-shot-dead-by-new-york-police/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=us-armed-14-year-old-shot-dead-by-new-york-police
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Armed 14 year old............What is the USA coming too...........Deserved 'topping'
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Back when I was 14 we had a gun club in school. During hunting season boys would bring their rifles and shotguns to school to show them off. When we rode to school on the bus, they would carry the guns with them. Never had an incident with guns. But that was a rural school.
When I got to high school in Detroit, no gun club, however we did have a shooting range in the school basement and fired match grade .22 Cal rifles. No gun incidents, but did have stabbings.
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:D Fix bayonets lads.... ffs!
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/09/us-marine-guard-shoots-another-dead-at-north-carolina-base
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/09/us-marine-guard-shoots-another-dead-at-north-carolina-base
Candy no doubt the usual half wits will be appearing soon
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careful what you say Nookie they are probably armed wildman
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Na. There caring knives.
At least 20 stabbed at Pa. school; suspect arrested
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/09/pa-school-stabbings/7498911/
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We need more laws, ban assault knives!!!!!!
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Hmmm; reminds me of the Buriram incident involving a gang of teens armed with machetes attacking on school grounds, foiled by - what else; a gun.
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Yes true...could that also be the gambler who shot himself in the testicles? knuppel2
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Also note that military installations are gun free zones, soldiers are not trusted to carry per BJ Clinton.
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I need to get serveral of these made for my new home in Thai.
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Also note that military installations are gun free zones, soldiers are not trusted to carry per BJ Clinton.
Is that the same BJ Clinton who was entrusted with the oval office?
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i guess the answer is more guns everywhere wackobar
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i guess the answer is more guns everywhere wackobar
That would certainly be Urlefts answer
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thumbup the true meaning behind the gun culture today
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buttslap
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Interesting article in the Washington Post that quotes justice Stevens (an associate justice of the Supreme Court of the USA for some 35 years giving an argument that adding five extra words to the second amendment would fix it.
It's a bit long but well worth the read.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html?tid=sm_fb
Mike
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13 April 2014 Last updated at 22:24 Sha
Three dead in Kansas City shootings
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27015434
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13 April 2014 Last updated at 22:24 Sha
Three dead in Kansas City shootings
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27015434
I have long pondered over the second amendment.
Second Amendment provides that “a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
The first bit about 'a well regulated militia' is usually left out by NRA members. I can't imagine a situation where people with 38's and hunting rifles would be of any use against a modern day, well equipped army.
It doesn't say
'A well regulated militia is necessary.' (period),
'The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed'.
America was a collection of scattered rural settlements in the 1770's and didn't have the money to maintain a standing army. It was when the Brits tried to confiscate arms from the colonists that the militias were formed to fight back.
Having said all that, I would have no qualms about shooting, stabbing, or clubbing any bad guy that I found inside my house.
I just dislike this constant harking back to the second amendment.
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Former KKK Leader Suspected in Kansas Jewish Center Attacks: Sources
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/jewish-center-shootings/former-kkk-leader-suspected-kansas-jewish-center-attacks-sources-n79486
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We all have our crazies. But in Thailand, a place where you can not own a gun to protect yourself, I see more gun related deaths in the news than here in the USA. Gun ownership works. Just how to keep them out of the hands of the crazies is the hard part. wildman
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gun ownership does work...if you want to shoot people, Australia has strict gun control..result extremely low gun death rate...but i guess comparing USA to Thailand is applicable...apple's oranges and that kind of stuff. whistle
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We all have our crazies. But in Thailand, a place where you can not own a gun to protect yourself, I see more gun related deaths in the news than here in the USA. Gun ownership works. Just how to keep them out of the hands of the crazies is the hard part. wildman
Thai's can own a gun, farangs can't.
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We all have our crazies. But in Thailand, a place where you can not own a gun to protect yourself, I see more gun related deaths in the news than here in the USA. Gun ownership works. Just how to keep them out of the hands of the crazies is the hard part. wildman
Thai's can own a gun, farangs can't.
Incorrect sunshine Farang can legally own a fire arm in Thailand.
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Please enlighten me. Last I was told I would have to put the gun in my wife's or father-in-law's name.
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Please enlighten me. Last I was told I would have to put the gun in my wife's or father-in-law's name.
More incorrect bar room info. Not easy but a foreigner can own a gun in Thailand.
http://travel.cnn.com/bangkok/shop/bangkok-gun-shops-why-you-dont-want-buy-glock-thailand-009893
http://www.thailawforum.com/database1/thailand-gun-law.html
AND the best..
http://www.thailand-th.net/thailand_gun_laws.html
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not bar room info. Thats what I was told by the guy that owns the gun shop in Buriram on the road near tweekit shopping centre. But if he's wrong, then all the better.
Any info. on importing the guns i already have to Thailand kind sir. sawadi
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not bar room info. Thats what I was told by the guy that owns the gun shop in Buriram on the road near tweekit shopping centre. But if he's wrong, then all the better.
Any info. on importing the guns i already have to Thailand kind sir. sawadi
That's another Thai that does not know his own laws which is very common.
Now for your second question. Importing guns. This could be a ball buster. Nothing says you can't....
http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/retiring-in-thailand-and-importing-guns-t26325.html
http://www.customs.go.th/wps/wcm/connect/custen/traders+and+business/prohibited+and+restricted+items/general+prohibitions+and+restrictions/generalprohibitionsandrestrictions
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/604912-importing-guns/page-2
http://m.bangkokpost.com/topstories/321825
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Thanks, that was actually very helpful.
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So true
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Really interesting article on gun crime in the the U.S.
Too long to copy the whole article.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/11/mass-shootings-america-2014-killing?CMP=fb_us
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Read the whole article and I agree with it.. We don't need gun control... We need people control.. Chicago has one of the toughest gun control laws on the books but those laws haven't decreased violent crime there.. The only thing gun control has done is keep the general, law abiding, population from defending itself.. Illegal firearms are easily obtainable to the bad guys anywhere.. This country is a good example of that.. Anyone can get a gun.. To legally obtain and carry a gun here or in the United States is a different story..
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Bad guys can get guns anywhere in the world, agreed. My question is who does most of the shooting, I don't think it's bad guys. I think it is fairly normal people, who are reacting to the moment. If guns were harder to get, these fairly normal people wouldn't have them to over react with in the first place.
Yes, there will be a killing by a bad guy that could have been prevented if the victim was armed, but the does that justify the thousands of cases that would not occur if guns were harder to get.
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Respectfully disagree.. Not only wrong but dead wrong.. The vast majority of the shootings are done by the bad guys.. Could be we
have a difference of opinion as to who the bad guys are? Overreaction? Overreaction to what? Being robbed, being raped, being
murdered, having you home invaded, being car jacked? Just to name a few.. We have an old saying back home... I'd rather be
judged by 12 then carried by 6.. If it's my life or theirs they lose.. To me it's called self defense.. Until they can keep the guns
out of the hands of the bad guys then I'll keep mine and defend, to the death, the right for anyone to carry a firearm.. It's the
2nd amendment that protects the 1st amendment...
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Agreed Voodoo!
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I've lived all over the world never needed a gun to protect myself. If you yanks didn't all have guns, you would find the same, however it is now too late for your country to change back to being a civilized country. moneysmile
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I've lived all over the world as well Adam... You're a lucky man to have never needed to protect yourself with a gun..
I haven't either but there again I don't hold anything against those who do carry.. As for the civilized crap you vomited..
We are much more civilized and benevolent then most countries on the planet... Hope you enjoyed your opportunity to
take another cheap shot at my country again.. Which is something you do quite often... Have a good day.. Take Care
, God Bless, and Be Well...
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All Americans! bike037
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itcqpcgyBjI
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I've lived all over the world as well Adam... You're a lucky man to have never needed to protect yourself with a gun..
I haven't either but there again I don't hold anything against those who do carry.. As for the civilized crap you vomited..
We are much more civilized and benevolent then most countries on the planet... Hope you enjoyed your opportunity to
take another cheap shot at my country again.. Which is something you do quite often... Have a good day.. Take Care
, God Bless, and Be Well...
Cheap shot, banter, or the truth hurts?
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One of the things that gun deaths/violence statistics include is suicide to make it seem worse than it is.
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And I have also lived all over the world on 5 continents. And carried a loaded weapon in several countries, it was definately necessary.
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Of course a gun is necessary in a war zone.
Have you had to defend yourself with a gun in the USA? Have you had to use it in the USA? Do not answer if your job was law enforcement.
Does having a gun make your dick bigger?
Cheap shots, but no gun needed.
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If you live 5 minutes walk from 7-11 you may never need a car to get there. However, on that rainy day, with your sprained ankle, it is nice to have one. This is just to say that the general public does not own guns to go out killing, they own guns for the day that they may have to defend their lives from some drug crazed armed gangster. Yes police are just minutes away, but the crime is usually over by the time the call gets dispatched. IMHO
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Logic in the US congrats
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All the mass killing (except one) happened in gun free zones. Sad that criminal prefer unarmed victims:
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Same old BS spouted about gun free zones but didn't answer the question I asked. So I am guessing that you have never needed to use a gun to defend yourself in the States.
You just want it cos it makes your balls bigger and your constitution written when you needed a gun to feed your family says you can have one. There is now a supermarket in every town, you don't need to shoot chicken nuggets!
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American
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Adam, I answered you exactly as you speicified, you are just too stupid and full of penis envy to realize it.
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I don't need a gun to feel safe in my own country or here.
Because I do not think that you need a gun in the US makes me stupid does it? How grown up of you to resort to name calling, I bet you would like to shoot me wouldn't you, then I couldn't disagree with you.
OK, because I am very stupid and apparently envious of your huge manhood Let me ask a simple question for you to answer.
With the exception of a job in Law enforcement, have you ever in your daily life in the US, needed to use a gun to protect yourself, yes or no?
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Sad thread, why not just leave it alone. Obviously no one is going to budge an inch. I wouldn't mind having a 38mm but I don't feel like looking after it, locking it away from the kids, going to a gun club. We have a lot of dogs.
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Yes
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Paranoid
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I'm not pro gun because it takes proper gun education and training on a continuous basis.
But after reading and re-reading some of the remarks here I would like to have one again.
Stupidity has to be eradicated like vermin.
This for the good of the world and for our children.
If you are against guns make sure you do not mingle with people who are not against guns or shut up.
Amen.
Ed, Keith and others : stop reacting to some stupidity, it isn't worth your efforts and/or time
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Yes
Can you elaborate on that, when, where, etc what were the circumstances and what actions you had to take, who knows you might make this stupid person that should be eradicated like vermin come around to your way of thinking. It does seem that those who are pro gun would like to shoot me for having a different point of view. I do not feel the need to kill any of you because you want to have guns.
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I'm not pro gun because it takes proper gun education and training on a continuous basis.
But after reading and re-reading some of the remarks here I would like to have one again.
Stupidity has to be eradicated like vermin.
This for the good of the world and for our children.
If you are against guns make sure you do not mingle with people who are not against guns or shut up.
Amen.
Ed, Keith and others : stop reacting to some stupidity, it isn't worth your efforts and/or time
You are not for freedom of speech then? You have a different point of view to me, but I have a gun therefore shut up or I shoot you!
My comments are stupid because, what they differ from yours? Or why do you deem my comments stupid to point that I should be eradicated like vermin? I think Hitler had the same opinion as you did he not? Very aggressive, I am glad you do not have a gun.
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none of your business.
All you asked for was a simple yes or no, you got it. Leave it at that.
And I don't feel the need to kill anyone that isn't trying to kill me. Never have. I was a concealed weapons holder for over 25 years, and it never even occurred to me to go shot someone because they have a different point of view. I have too much experience in what guns can do to think that.
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But you do think I am stupid, why is that?
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Amen Dundee... Thread Over Urleft?... Dundee has a good Point... Thanks Marc...
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But you do think I am stupid, why is that?
Do not answer if your job was law enforcement.
Does having a gun make your dick bigger?
Cheap shots, but no gun needed.
Same old BS spouted about gun free zones but didn't answer the question I asked. So I am guessing that you have never needed to use a gun to defend yourself in the States.
You just want it cos it makes your balls bigger and your constitution written when you needed a gun to feed your family says you can have one. There is now a supermarket in every town, you don't need to shoot chicken nuggets!
You tell me not to answer then berate me for not answering. That is stupid.
Plus you acknowledge cheap shots, then wonder why I call you names.
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AHHHH Mr Voodoo as usual riding to the defence of his yankee brother again, just like the cavalry.
Might I suggest that we ask admin to delete this thread and never mention guns again?
What do you think?
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Amen Dundee... Thread Over Urleft?... Dundee has a good Point... Thanks Marc...
I was actually trying to avoid this thread, but just had to jump in. Just did a parting explanation to Adam since he could not understand his own words.
Cheers.
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http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=WliQIyXxGVA
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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/kin-sandy-hook-victims-join-rally-guns-bk-bridge-article-1.1830221
In the news today.....
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Excellent idea Mr. Adam.. Care to do the honors? I'll second the motion.. BTW I really like the Calvary reference... As for coming to the aid of my brother.. We are both war vets and as such I will always come to his aid and any other American Veteran.. It's what we do... We cover each other's six.. We take care of our own...
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Thank you Voodoo .
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I personally disagree with deleting the thread. I don't like censorship or cutting off ideas. Adam, Nookie, etc are welcome to post their ideas. We are free to respond or not.
So I say let it stand.
And yes, got your six. But I always liked:
A friend is someone you call at 3am to bail you out of jail, and a true friend says "Hey bud, who we going to call to bail us?"
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All Americans! bike037
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itcqpcgyBjI
All Americans, BS try to get your facts correct:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASooVpCSMag
There are muslims there, you can see the outfit in your video.
That being said, I have seen American's do really stupid things, usually saying something like "Hold my beer for me", and then drive off in their weapon. But them never saw any of my buds to anything that stupid, nor the 1000's of people I trained to used guns.
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Thank you, Voodoo
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Ed, Keith and others : stop reacting to some stupidity, it isn't worth your efforts and/or time
Croc,you can't educate Pork!!
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Ed, Keith and others : stop reacting to some stupidity, it isn't worth your efforts and/or time
Croc,you can't educate Pork!!
And you Brit Sheep Shaggers will not acknowledge when you are wrong. For example, on this thread you proclaimed if a black man shot a white teen he would be convicted 100%.
I proved you wrong with a specific example and you refuse to admit it.
Makes you the uneduacted one.
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If Trayvon had a been a white kid,Zimmerman would have been found guilty.
100%
Just to help you out Nookie, here is you saying 100%
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Ed, Keith and others : stop reacting to some stupidity, it isn't worth your efforts and/or time
Croc,you can't educate Pork!!
And you Brit Sheep Shaggers will not acknowledge when you are wrong. For example, on this thread you proclaimed if a black man shot a white teen he would be convicted 100%.
I proved you wrong with a specific example and you refuse to admit it.
Makes you the uneduacted one.
The Brits are not "sheep shaggers". That is the Welsh, for the umpteenth time.
Why are some people so unwilling to listen and learn?
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And my proof Nookie. When you say 100%, all I have to find is one example to prove you wrong that it is not 100%.
But then you like to speak for the world and ignore reality.
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Ed, Keith and others : stop reacting to some stupidity, it isn't worth your efforts and/or time
Croc,you can't educate Pork!!
And you Brit Sheep Shaggers will not acknowledge when you are wrong. For example, on this thread you proclaimed if a black man shot a white teen he would be convicted 100%.
I proved you wrong with a specific example and you refuse to admit it.
Makes you the uneduacted one.
The Brits are not "sheep shaggers". That is the Welsh, for the umpteenth time.
Why are some people so unwilling to listen and learn?
Are Welsh Brits?
If yes, I am correct.
BTW, isn't the Brit Charles the Prince of Wales? If I had a choice between sheep and Camilla, I might have to think about it.
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Ed, Keith and others : stop reacting to some stupidity, it isn't worth your efforts and/or time
Croc,you can't educate Pork!!
And you Brit Sheep Shaggers will not acknowledge when you are wrong. For example, on this thread you proclaimed if a black man shot a white teen he would be convicted 100%.
I proved you wrong with a specific example and you refuse to admit it.
Makes you the uneduacted one.
The Brits are not "sheep shaggers". That is the Welsh, for the umpteenth time.
Why are some people so unwilling to listen and learn?
Are Welsh Brits?
If yes, I am correct.
BTW, isn't the Brit Charles the Prince of Wales? If I had a choice between sheep and Camilla, I might have to think about it.
Once again you fail to see the point.
Welsh are indeed Brits, but not all Brits are Welsh.
What you are assuming is a bit like saying that Native Americans are Americans, and therefore all Americans are Native Americans.
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Internal British distinctions. Welsh shag sheep, Wales (the Welsh) are British, and the British heir is the Welsh prince, conclusion, Brits shag sheep, just like I said.
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OK Sitting Bull. If you like.
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OK Sitting Bull. If you like.
I don't give a sh@t if we are native, Afro, mexican, cuban, etc., we are all Americans.
Get rid of the distinctions, we should all be Americans looking out for the common good of our country.
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Good point Urleft, but what group of "Americans" was it that made the distinctions in the first place?
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Good point Urleft, but what group of "Americans" was it that made the distinctions in the first place?
The British that started the colony.
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Learn something new every day. Not only am I British but also American.
I had better get myself a gun.
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Wow Star, when did you settle into America?
Probably my fault, I should have said: "The British Settlers that started the colony."
My Bad.
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Shit,no good is going to come out of this thread.Can't everyone live in peace,we are in LOS we have common ground,or should have,if we fight among ourselves we are as bad as the Thai's.This is crazy,we are ALL farang,we should be giving each other a helping hand,not this shit,I've said my bit so I'll just leave it to all of you if you cant be a little civil to each other.
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Shit,no good is going to come out of this thread.Can't everyone live in peace,we are in LOS we have common ground,or should have,if we fight among ourselves we are as bad as the Thai's.This is crazy,we are ALL farang,we should be giving each other a helping hand,not this shit,I've said my bit so I'll just leave it to all of you if you cant be a little civil to each other.
yup. Kill it.
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YA'LL BE REAL CAREFUL NOW.
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This is why you need guns in the US. :D
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This is why you need guns in the US. :D
I wish Buriram Expats had a 'like' button.
You would have got one for that... ;D
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Be a man
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Be a man
If you were a man you wouldn't listen to some dumb cunt. Give it a rest Beer Leo. On the subject of gun control, can you take Piers Morgan back? We would gladly pay his 1 way plane ticket.
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Be a man
If you were a man you wouldn't listen to some dumb cunt. Give it a rest Beer Leo. On the subject of gun control, can you take Piers Morgan back? We would gladly pay his 1 way plane ticket.
so you're a sexist male chauvinist.
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Be a man
If you were a man you wouldn't listen to some dumb cunt. Give it a rest Beer Leo. On the subject of gun control, can you take Piers Morgan back? We would gladly pay his 1 way plane ticket.
so you're a sexist male chauvinist.
No I have a mind of my own and don't care about some stupid picture off of the internet. Agree to disagree. Quit trolling the Americans. What's your problem?
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I would love to insert a poll on this thread:
If you are anti-gun, have you:
1. Served honorably in you nation's military for 2 or more years?
2. Have you been trained at least 100 hours in the use of guns?
3. Have you ever fired a gun?
4. Are you allowed to easily own a gun by your GVT?
5. How much actual experience do you have holding a gun?
- Never
- Held one once
- Fired one, scared the crap out of me.
- put several hundred rounds down range, do not see the need.
- Grew personally handling guns. They kill people and need to be tightly controlled.
- Other
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If I had to answer the poll, it would be:
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes.
5. Other. I've been the man that has used them when needed and am prepared to use them again.
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Now a poll for Gun advocates:
1. How many times have actually or wanted to shoot up a school in your country?
2. When someone disagreeses with you, are your first thoughts to shoot him?
3. How many people have you tried to kill with your personally owned gun?
4. Have your served honorably in you nation's military for 2 or more years?
5. What are you feel when someone is killed by another with a gun?
6. How many times have you acted out targeting those in country you do not like?
7. Do you believe that owning guns is a deterrent against your GVT getting out of control?
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Now a poll for Gun advocates:
1. How many times have actually or wanted to shoot up a school in your country?
2. When someone disagreeses with you, are your first thoughts to shoot him?
3. How many people have you tried to kill with your personally owned gun?
4. Have your served honorably in you nation's military for 2 or more years?
5. What are you feel when someone is killed by another with a gun?
6. How many times have you acted out targeting those in country you do not like?
7. Do you believe that owning guns is a deterrent against your GVT getting out of control?
1. 0
2. No
3. 0
4. Yes
5. Are they the victim or the criminal. If a criminal I usually feel Thank God the victim had a gun.
6. 0
7. Yes
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Be a man
If you were a man you wouldn't listen to some dumb cunt. Give it a rest Beer Leo. On the subject of gun control, can you take Piers Morgan back? We would gladly pay his 1 way plane ticket.
so you're a sexist male chauvinist.
No I have a mind of my own and don't care about some stupid picture off of the internet. Agree to disagree. Quit trolling the Americans. What's your problem?
Well you just called an innocent girl on the internet a dumb "C"word, what kind of manners is that? oldmanwithstick
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Keith,
chill out mate.
If you haven't got a beer in your hand...GET ONE NOW....If you have drink it and get another one
The more you bite the more shit will be posted....but you should know that by now
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Be a man
If you were a man you wouldn't listen to some dumb cunt. Give it a rest Beer Leo. On the subject of gun control, can you take Piers Morgan back? We would gladly pay his 1 way plane ticket.
so you're a sexist male chauvinist.
No I have a mind of my own and don't care about some stupid picture off of the internet. Agree to disagree. Quit trolling the Americans. What's your problem?
Well you just called an innocent girl on the internet a dumb "C"word, what kind of manners is that? oldmanwithstick
I doubt she is a member of Buriram Expats. Get a life brother.
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Now a poll for Gun advocates:
1. How many times have actually or wanted to shoot up a school in your country?
2. When someone disagreeses with you, are your first thoughts to shoot him?
3. How many people have you tried to kill with your personally owned gun?
4. Have your served honorably in you nation's military for 2 or more years?
5. What are you feel when someone is killed by another with a gun?
6. How many times have you acted out targeting those in country you do not like?
7. Do you believe that owning guns is a deterrent against your GVT getting out of control?
1. 0
2. No
3. 0
4. Yes
5. Are they the victim or the criminal. If a criminal I usually feel Thank God the victim had a gun.
6. 0
7. Yes
Talking to yourself? alcoholic
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Keith,
chill out mate.
If you haven't got a beer in your hand...GET ONE NOW....If you have drink it and get another one
The more you bite the more shit will be posted....but you should know that by now
You're right. Don't feed the trolls. Enough said.
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Keith,
chill out mate.
If you haven't got a beer in your hand...GET ONE NOW....If you have drink it and get another one
The more you bite the more shit will be posted....but you should know that by now
However here is question for the Gun Control/elimination advocates:
How much personal experience do you have with guns? Provide and overview.
As a gun Advocate, I have litererally controlled over 1 million rounds of ammunition being fired. Total number of dead, Zero. I also have over over 1000 hours of gun instruction. Plus I have been a gun instuctor.
So equate your gun knowledge to mine.
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Be a man
If you were a man you wouldn't listen to some dumb cunt. Give it a rest Beer Leo. On the subject of gun control, can you take Piers Morgan back? We would gladly pay his 1 way plane ticket.
so you're a sexist male chauvinist.
No I have a mind of my own and don't care about some stupid picture off of the internet. Agree to disagree. Quit trolling the Americans. What's your problem?
Well you just called an innocent girl on the internet a dumb "C"word, what kind of manners is that? oldmanwithstick
I doubt she is a member of Buriram Expats. Get a life brother.
Yeah, but it could be other women who read your posts. very bad words to use on a public forum. Very disappointed and I'm not your brother! party15
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Is this a question to me Keith?
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Keith,
chill out mate.
If you haven't got a beer in your hand...GET ONE NOW....If you have drink it and get another one
The more you bite the more shit will be posted....but you should know that by now
You're right. Don't feed the trolls. Enough said.
To me it all comes down to the basic question. What knowledge do you have of guns?
So I am trying to get the gun trolls to tell me how much experience they have with guns. I expect responses like: I have read.
A lib says "I have read" or "I feel". We say "I have been there, done that, and my experience is,,"
So I want to know these trolls personal experiences in handling guns.
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Be a man
If you were a man you wouldn't listen to some dumb cunt. Give it a rest Beer Leo. On the subject of gun control, can you take Piers Morgan back? We would gladly pay his 1 way plane ticket.
so you're a sexist male chauvinist.
No I have a mind of my own and don't care about some stupid picture off of the internet. Agree to disagree. Quit trolling the Americans. What's your problem?
Well you just called an innocent girl on the internet a dumb "C"word, what kind of manners is that? oldmanwithstick
I doubt she is a member of Buriram Expats. Get a life brother.
Yeah, but it could be other women who read your posts. very bad words to use on a public forum. Very disappointed and I'm not your brother! party15
Enough said Sister.
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Is this a question to me Keith?
Are you a gun control troll?
If yes, than it is a question to you. Otherwise, no.
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1 No
2 Thats OK then...
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Be a man
If you were a man you wouldn't listen to some dumb cunt. Give it a rest Beer Leo. On the subject of gun control, can you take Piers Morgan back? We would gladly pay his 1 way plane ticket.
so you're a sexist male chauvinist.
No I have a mind of my own and don't care about some stupid picture off of the internet. Agree to disagree. Quit trolling the Americans. What's your problem?
Well you just called an innocent girl on the internet a dumb "C"word, what kind of manners is that? oldmanwithstick
I doubt she is a member of Buriram Expats. Get a life brother.
Yeah, but it could be other women who read your posts. very bad words to use on a public forum. Very disappointed and I'm not your brother! party15
Enough said Sister.
Ouch, did I injure your manhood?
I have many British friends who have served in the army or previously police officers, strangely enough: neither one of them are gun fixated. This makes me wonder, what went wrong and why all this bad language.
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Ouch, did I injure your manhood?
I have many British friends who have served in the army or previously police officers, strangely enough: neither one of them are gun fixated. This makes me wonder, what went wrong and why all this bad language.
I notice "Ouch" that you fail to respond to my questions.
I would guess based on that you are a non ex military gun control advocate.
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I'm ex military, have owned several pistols, shotguns and rifles and believe gun control is necessary.
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Ouch, did I injure your manhood?
I have many British friends who have served in the army or previously police officers, strangely enough: neither one of them are gun fixated. This makes me wonder, what went wrong and why all this bad language.
I notice "Ouch" that you fail to respond to my questions.
I would guess based on that you are a non ex military gun control advocate.
Not your business, but I grow up around guns, I know how to use a AK 47 and how to dismantle and clean it, same goes for shotguns, bolt action rifles, and most hand guns. I have no problem adjusting a rifle scope for 400 yards with a bit of side wind.
I still believe that anyone without gun knowledge should be allowed to have an opinion on gun control and to say NO to guns on the streets.
Knowing how to handle a gun doesn't make you an expert on human rights, I hate all kind of violence, included domestic violence, sexual abuse, football hooligans or any other male chauvinist behavior. If you start to use the C word to an innocent picture of a girl on internet you should not be around guns, your temper doesn't allow it.
"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." - Dalai Lama
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Ouch, did I injure your manhood?
I have many British friends who have served in the army or previously police officers, strangely enough: neither one of them are gun fixated. This makes me wonder, what went wrong and why all this bad language.
I notice "Ouch" that you fail to respond to my questions.
I would guess based on that you are a non ex military gun control advocate.
Not your business, but I grow up around guns, I know how to use a AK 47 and how to dismantle and clean it, same goes for shotguns, bolt action rifles, and most hand guns. I have no problem adjusting a rifle scope for 400 yards with a bit of side wind.
I still believe that anyone without gun knowledge should be allowed to have an opinion on gun control and to say NO to guns on the streets.
Knowing how to handle a gun doesn't make you an expert on human rights, I hate all kind of violence, included domestic violence, sexual abuse, football hooligans or any other male chauvinist behavior. If you start to use the C word to an innocent picture of a girl on internet you should not be around guns, your temper doesn't allow it.
"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." - Dalai Lama
Obviously you are a closed minded individual. As I believe in controlled violence, and the vast majority of the time only in response to violence or the threat of violence. For Example, Zimmerman shooting the drugged up Trayvon to get him to stop pounding george's head into the pavement is acceptable.
Or the 12 year old girl that shot an intruder is acceptable: http://www.news9.com/story/19858704/12-year-old-girl-shoots-intruder-during-home-invasion (http://www.news9.com/story/19858704/12-year-old-girl-shoots-intruder-during-home-invasion)
Only 2% of homicides are committed by legal gun owners. So you want to conficate the guns 80,000,000 legal US citizen gun owners because of the actions of 180 people? http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/04/naked-numbers-on-guns/ (http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/04/naked-numbers-on-guns/) All the other homicides are being committed by people that obtained the guns illegally, and ignore the law.
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Keith,
chill out mate.
If you haven't got a beer in your hand...GET ONE NOW....If you have drink it and get another one
The more you bite the more shit will be posted....but you should know that by now
However here is question for the Gun Control/elimination advocates:
How much personal experience do you have with guns? Provide and overview.
As a gun Advocate, I have litererally controlled over 1 million rounds of ammunition being fired. Total number of dead, Zero. I also have over over 1000 hours of gun instruction. Plus I have been a gun instuctor.
So equate your gun knowledge to mine.
Are you blind or what? party11
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Sometimes, I think on this subject, that it is you, urleft, that is the troll.
I will comment no more as I get accused of all sorts of stupid things, but just think about it, If you didn't respond, nor would the trolls (I assume I am regarded as one by the yanks).
End of, I will comment no more on this thread and repeat that, I think, it would be better deleted.
God Bless America.
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This thread got out of control.
If you want this thread to stay a thread and not a threat! Keep it clean!
All this subject is very problematic..
This thread is under warning to be locked and/or deleted.! sawadi
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This thread got out of control.
If you want this thread to stay a thread and not a threat! Keep it clean!
All this subject is very problematic..
This thread is under warning to be locked and/or deleted.! sawadi
I agree, no need for bad words. We can all live peacefully here without guns and in harmony with Buddha and the good people of Thailand.
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What a great idea, exchanging comments without name calling. It should apply to all threads.
Except maybe "everything wrong with Urleft" as that is a name calling thread.
WTG Admin
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What a great idea, exchanging comments without name calling. It should apply to all threads.
Except maybe "everything wrong with Urleft" as that is a name calling thread.
WTG Admin
I thought they had closed the EWWUL thread ? party6
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What a great idea, exchanging comments without name calling. It should apply to all threads.
Except maybe "everything wrong with Urleft" as that is a name calling thread.
WTG Admin
I thought they had closed the EWWUL thread ? party6
Obviously having a thought is not good for you Ray.
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7312.msg43407.html#msg43407
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What a great idea, exchanging comments without name calling. It should apply to all threads.
Except maybe "everything wrong with Urleft" as that is a name calling thread.
WTG Admin
I thought they had closed the EWWUL thread ? party6
Obviously having a thought is not good for you Ray.
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7312.msg43407.html#msg43407
You won't catch me thinking unnecessarily Keith!.... :)
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You won't catch me thinking unnecessarily Keith!.... :)
You won't catch me thinking Keith!.... :) .
corrected for you.
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I think most posters should do exactly this thing.. THINK BEFORE POSTING! :) ;) sawadi
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What a great idea, exchanging comments without name calling. It should apply to all threads.
Except maybe "everything wrong with Urleft" as that is a name calling thread.
WTG Admin
I thought they had closed the EWWUL thread ? party6
Obviously having a thought is not good for you Ray.
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7312.msg43407.html#msg43407
You won't catch me thinking unnecessarily Keith!.... :)
Above topic removed!
I am very not happy with it nobody report this thread to be removed.
URLEFT, If you report that thread at the time it would have been deleted straight away.
sawadi
I have to tell you I am very disappointed from the developing atitude of some members here,
This forum is a platform to unite all farangs in Buriram and not the apposite direction.
It's a shame some don't know how to benefit from this wonderful tool.
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X Army ( British ) and also support gun control...
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You won't catch me thinking unnecessarily Keith!.... :)
You won't catch me thinking Keith!.... :) .
corrected for you.
thank you for correcting me Keith - I am not sure how I would get through life without your interference help ............
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X Army ( British ) and also support gun control...
I really believe it is a culture thing. Americans are brought up to believe themselves free citizens that is supposed be served by the GVT, as opposed to others.
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You won't catch me thinking unnecessarily Keith!.... :)
You won't catch me thinking Keith!.... :) .
corrected for you.
thank you for correcting me Keith - I am not sure how I would get through life without your help interference............
I would bet you could have learned a lot on your own rather than waiting for my interference.
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What a great idea, exchanging comments without name calling. It should apply to all threads.
Except maybe "everything wrong with Urleft" as that is a name calling thread.
WTG Admin
I thought they had closed the EWWUL thread ? party6
Obviously having a thought is not good for you Ray.
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7312.msg43407.html#msg43407 (http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7312.msg43407.html#msg43407)
You won't catch me thinking unnecessarily Keith!.... :)
Above topic removed!
I am very not happy with it nobody report this thread to be removed.
URLEFT, If you report that thread at the time it would have been deleted straight away.
sawadi
I have to tell you I am very disappointed from the developing atitude of some members here,
This forum is a platform to unite all farangs in Buriram and not the apposite direction.
It's a shame some don't know how to benefit from this wonderful tool.
Admin,
I gave my thoughts here:
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,3916.msg49030.html#msg49030 (http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,3916.msg49030.html#msg49030)
But you are right, too many posters here get foul with their postings, and it normally gets responded in kind (I am very guilty here).
I like a good exchange of ideas with documented references. I try to learn from my mistakes and not make them again.
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This argumentative thread lost its direction, therefore, Topic is now locked!
sawadi