Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: Smithy on July 28, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
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There has been loads on Social Media about TM30 reporting, so as I have never done it in 18 years , apart from when I was on a Extension based on Marriage ( I guess it's part of the Immigration Office's paper work along with the 90 day reporting ) I have decided to have a go at Online Reporting for the sheer hell of it. :biggrin:
I does seem odd that after living in the same house for 15 years and having a Yellow House book,a Pink Thai ID Card, 2 Bank Accounts at the same Address, a Driving Licence with my Name and Address on it , visits from the local Police once or twice a year , the Village Head-Man asking for copies of Passport and Visa once a year ( not sure who he sends that too ) and filling in a TM 6 with my Address, Telephone Number and email Address ......you would think that would be enough !!! :blink: ...But oh NO , now we have to report using the TM30 ( or the wife does ) every time we leave our house for a short holiday ( ie a trip to the bright lights of Pattaya ) or a 90 day border hop ( as I'm on a Multi 'O' Visa )
For those that are on a Retirement or Marriage extension that never leave home and only do 90 day reports then this wont effect you .That is unless you leave the Country or go away on Holiday inside Thailand ( book into a Hotel ) as by law you must report within 24 hours of your return to your home .But if you are staying with friends the chances of getting court without reporting are pretty slim !!...... I do remember reading on BE that Buriram Immigration are not all that interested in you reporting after a trip within Thailand, but we know when there's a possibility of them fining you the local rules can change at the drop of a hat biggrin1
(https://i.imgur.com/Naa2n5I.jpg)
So here it the site ... https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/
First thing you need to do is Register ( I have made an account for my wife and one for me as I have a yellow house book )
It's quite easy to fill in as its in Thai and English . If you do something wrong when you click 'SUBMIT' it will tell you what you have done wrong. You need to add some Documents at the bottom of the form.I just took photo's of my Passport and Yellow House Book and the same for the wife with her House Book and ID card and uploaded them off my Phone to my PC ( Google photo's ) and then uploaded them onto the form.
Once your submission has been accepted you then need to wait for them to send you your Username and Password.
You should receive an email with 24 hours and you will be asked to confirm your email address.
I have been told you then have to wait another week for your Username and Password to arrive.
As both my Wife and I have Registered then hopefully one of us should be successful. ;)
Then the fun of working out how to submit a TM30 online will begin !!
(https://i.imgur.com/0eYNQxt.png)
If anyone else has done this and has any tips then I'm all ears . :happy:
BTW...My Theory is ,if i can do it online before I come in contact with any local Immigration Officials it should stop them getting their hands on any of my Wife's money ( mine ) in fines...a few minutes filling in a form could save her ( me ) anything from 800-2000 Baht moneysmile
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Interesting post. Thanks.
I was at Buriram Immigration a couple of weeks back. I was getting 60 day extension based on marriage.
The IO asked if I/my wife had registered my address. I said that we had. He asked if I had the slip with me.
I showed it to him and he was happy, even though I had been out of the country 3 times since I reported.
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This link is pertinent to the discussion... A petition to government about TM 30 requirements being so outdated and a useless waste of time...
http://reform-thai-immigration.com/
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I registered for TM30 online a few weeks ago using the Section38 android app. I used the app rather than the website as the app is all in English. I registered myself as the housemaster and the docs I uploaded were scanned copies of my wifes ID Card and Tabbien bahn and my passport ID page. I received my userid and password the next day via email. Never used it to report yet, just getting everything ready. The app is in the playstore. See below.
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I registered for TM30 online a few weeks ago using the Section38 android app..
I just had a look at the APP and its virtually the same as the Site ( asking the same questions ) but a slightly different layout .
Did you manage to print out the report OK to put in your passport ?
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I registered for TM30 online a few weeks ago using the Section38 android app..
I just had a look at the APP and its virtually the same as the Site ( asking the same questions ) but a slightly different layout .
Did you manage to print out the report OK to put in your passport ?
I haven't used it to report yet, just getting everything ready.
There is a search function so you can display the reports you have made.
I will just do a screencopy and put that in my passport.
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Just logged on to the website and as you complete the report form, some of the drop down selections are Thai only. See attachment for Point of Entry drop down.
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This link is pertinent to the discussion... A petition to government about TM 30 requirements being so outdated and a useless waste of time...
http://reform-thai-immigration.com/
Expat group petitions Thai immigration to abolish TM30 form
(https://i.imgur.com/5NNbnsP.jpg)
A group of expats, representing foreigners living in Thailand for many years, has prepared a petition for affected expats to sign, before they present it to Thai Immigration and government officials. They are requesting changes to the enforcement of the controversial TM30 form.
There is a link to their website at the bottom of the page where you can sign the petition and become involved. Over to you?
To the Thai Government and Thai Immigration
We are a representative group of foreign and Thai people living in Thailand with Thai spouses or partners and Thai children. We work here, contribute to the community and the economy of the country. We love
Thailand and do our best to stay compliant with local laws. Recently, the new rules applied at
immigration are causing huge problems for the foreigner community and some of whom who have lived here and have caused no problems at all with the Thai authorities.
Under Article 37, any foreigner residing in Thailand who visits another province for more than 24 hours must report to immigration. There are 77 provinces in Thailand. This means if a foreign teacher lives in Buriram and decides to spend a weekend in Surin, on Monday morning, he can?t teach. He must report to immigration. Even if he stays with his wife and children, and the landlord (his wife) must also report to immigration with a form TM30. Immigration already has records of all foreigner?s addresses. Any foreigner must provide his/her address via the form TM47 if he stays in Thailand for 90 days.
We completely understand the reasoning behind the form TM47 and many have welcomed the online reporting. This is the case in most western countries. We must also apply for a one-year visa extension.
Up until 2018 the use of form TM30 has never been strictly enforced. But now foreigners and Thai people are being fined for not having filed the form TM30 on returning to their home address following a weekend in another province. This reporting also applies to tourists but it is the duty of the hotels to report these foreigners to immigration.
What happens to people residing in AirBNB accommodation? Or living in houses with Thai landlords or even their Thai family as landlords? Many tourists are becoming increasingly frustrated with the new TM30 rules being applied.
Collectively the group of people signing this petition would like to see a change in the law which would lead to the form TM30 being abolished altogether. This Immigration law has been in place since 1979. Laws can change and evolve to stay in line with today?s technology. We strongly believe that the form TM30 is outdated and causes far too many problems which would did not exist in the past.
Tourists and expats arriving in Thailand are also screened at airports or immigration points. Technology has become better and better, reporting addresses on paper, in person, is not efficient and counterproductive. The use of the Form TM 30 does nothing to help or minimize terrorism, and it presents an obligation to Thai landlords because it is them who must report their foreign guests. As the form TM28, it is also inefficient as most police station don?t even know what it is is and often won?t accept it even though it plainly says it can be submitted to a local police station (See clause 37 (4) of the Immigration Act). So there are many modifications that could be done to clauses 37 and 38 of the Immigration Act of Thailand.
Respectfully, we appeal to the Thai government to modify the Immigration Act, or as before 2018, do not enforce the form form TM30 so rigorously. We, as a group, believe that strict enforcement of the form TM30 will only serve to create more problems and ultimately show a massive downturn in tourism, foreign investment and the existence Thai families living with foreigners. We request this in the interests of Thailand.
This is our solemn plea on behalf of every foreigner residing in or travelling around our beloved Thailand. Please accept this letter as a suggestion and as a means to resolve one issue, which we believe could only serve to add more pressure upon and eventually become a negative influence on the Thai economy.
Yours respectfully,
Long live The King.
Link to their website [ see Fishy's link above ]
https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/expats/expat-group-petitions-thai-immigration-to-abolish-tm30-form?fbclid=IwAR2rOznnRm6x8cKf9YW12Nde9UsYOXQa_xWwFEXK2e9OItFvZFtz7ZAnsUs
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Just logged on to the website and as you complete the report form, some of the drop down selections are Thai only. See attachment for Point of Entry drop down.
Here is some screen shots from the Website that I saw on social media ....though I haven't tried it until I receive my username and password
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Good post Smithy.
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They have to stop the terrorist's :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QayoFg9cesw&t=236s
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I registered two weeks ago still no password via email.
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I registered two weeks ago still no password via email.
Did you get an email asking you to confirm your email address like the one I posted . ?
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The link does not seem to be working.
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Yes
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The link does not seem to be working.
Which one ?
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This one https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/
But it seems to be working today.
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Still no news of our Registrations :blink:
Maybe because the Wife and I have both Registered the same Address its fooked the system :(
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Another week and NO username and password ....How am I not surprised ::)
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Username and password came today thumbup
Managed to get my TM30 reported, just need to figure out how to get it printed ........only problem is when you first login you have to change your password ( which I did ) . After I finished the report we had a small 10 seconded power cut which shut down my computer and now it wont let me login to suss out how to print the slip for my passport ::)
I've gone through the 'Forgot Password " route .......will let you know if I ever get back in and get the slip printed :)
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After an hour of faffing around on my PC I decided to try my newish Android 9 TV Box and loaded up the Section 38 APP from Google Playstore
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.section38&hl=en_US
I typed in the Wifes username and password and filled in all my details ( in English ) and now I'm registered at our address :biggrin:
Then you just go to the 2nd option on the main app page which is 'Search'......you then just click 'SEARCH' on the yellow bar in the middle of the screen and the page changes and it finds anyone that is registered at your address.
Mine said '1 person' ,you click on that and your details come up. I took a screen shot and loaded it onto my Phone just in case I am ever asked for my TM30 slip. ( Same as I do with my Passort ,Visa and TM6 details , save's taking your passport out with you )
The Android APP seems a much easier process than the PC version . When you go on Holiday you just click 'Delete' on your details and when you come back you just repeat the process of re-registering .....all very easy thumbup
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@Smithy: What did you select for "Visa Type" ? What did you enter for "Check out Date" ?
I haven't submitted a report yet as I think the in-person report I did in 2017 is still OK, so I'm waiting until I have a holiday where the hotel reports me as staying there or I leave the Kingdom & return.
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@Smithy: What did you select for "Visa Type" ? What did you enter for "Check out Date" ?
I haven't submitted a report yet as I think the in-person report I did in 2017 is still OK, so I'm waiting until I have a holiday where the hotel reports me as staying there or I leave the Kingdom & return.
I selected 1 year Non- Imm . I guess any one that is on a Visa extention based on Marriage or Retirement would have had a Non- Imm to start with .
As for the "Check out Date" I just follows the pictures I posted on my earlier post . But TBH I cant remember if I left it blank or put in the date of my next 90 day border run is due !!
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@Smithy: What did you select for "Visa Type" ? What did you enter for "Check out Date" ?
I haven't submitted a report yet as I think the in-person report I did in 2017 is still OK, so I'm waiting until I have a holiday where the hotel reports me as staying there or I leave the Kingdom & return.
I selected 1 year Non- Imm . I guess any one that is on a Visa extention based on Marriage or Retirement would have had a Non- Imm to start with .
As for the "Check out Date" I just follows the pictures I posted on my earlier post . But TBH I cant remember if I left it blank or put in the date of my next 90 day border run is due !!
Sorry to be so pedantic, is it the one the arrow points to in the attached picture
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@Smithy: What did you select for "Visa Type" ? What did you enter for "Check out Date" ?
I haven't submitted a report yet as I think the in-person report I did in 2017 is still OK, so I'm waiting until I have a holiday where the hotel reports me as staying there or I leave the Kingdom & return.
I selected 1 year Non- Imm . I guess any one that is on a Visa extention based on Marriage or Retirement would have had a Non- Imm to start with .
As for the "Check out Date" I just follows the pictures I posted on my earlier post . But TBH I cant remember if I left it blank or put in the date of my next 90 day border run is due !!
Sorry to be so pedantic, is it the one the arrow points to in the attached picture
Yes ,that the one I used as its the only one that fits the bill.
Also if you have done something wrong elsewhere ,when you go to file the report it will tell you and highlight the section that needs changing.
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Great thanks @Smithy
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@Smithy: What did you select for "Visa Type" ? What did you enter for "Check out Date" ?
I haven't submitted a report yet as I think the in-person report I did in 2017 is still OK, so I'm waiting until I have a holiday where the hotel reports me as staying there or I leave the Kingdom & return.
I selected 1 year Non- Imm . I guess any one that is on a Visa extention based on Marriage or Retirement would have had a Non- Imm to start with .
As for the "Check out Date" I just follows the pictures I posted on my earlier post . But TBH I cant remember if I left it blank or put in the date of my next 90 day border run is due !!
Sorry to be so pedantic, is it the one the arrow points to in the attached picture
Yes ,that the one I used as its the only one that fits the bill.
Also if you have done something wrong elsewhere ,when you go to file the report it will tell you and highlight the section that needs changing.
@Smithy...wouldn't the Non Imm 90 fit the bill better? I would hazard a guess that the Non Imm A 1 year would be referring to the O-A visa.
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@Smithy...wouldn't the Non Imm 90 fit the bill better? I would hazard a guess that the Non Imm A 1 year would be referring to the O-A visa.
All I know is my Visa says "non-Imm 'O' 23 APR 2019 - 22 APR 2020 , so thats 1 year ..........but that is only for 90 days each extention .As I posted earlier I think I put 16/10/2019 for the Check out Date date . On my PC version of the site 04 is "Temporary people 1 year (NON-1 YEAR)". The app version it's a bit different and as I had already translated on my PC that 04 was was a one year non imm I used 04 on the app version but as you have pointed it is different ...BTW there are about 40 Visa options to chose from.
Translated
01 Diplomatic or Government (NON-30)
02 Ambassadors or bureaucrats (NON-90)
03 People temporarily (NON-90)
04 Temporary people 1 year (NON-1 YEAR)
05 3 nationality workers (Khmer, Myanmar, Laos) (NON-2 YEAR)
06 Special temporary residents (NON-3 YEAR)
07 tourists 15 days
08 tourists (60 days)
09 people traveling through (30 days)
10 people inside
11 hospitable (CY-30)
12 hospitable (CY-90)
13 P.15
14 P.30
15 Ph.D. 14
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@Smithy...wouldn't the Non Imm 90 fit the bill better? I would hazard a guess that the Non Imm A 1 year would be referring to the O-A visa.
All I know is my Visa says "non-Imm 'O' 23 APR 2019 - 22 APR 2020 , so thats 1 year ..........but that is only for 90 days each extention .As I posted earlier I think I put 16/10/2019 for the Check out Date date . On my PC version of the site 04 is "Temporary people 1 year (NON-1 YEAR)". The app version it's a bit different and as I had already translated on my PC that 04 was was a one year non imm I used 04 on the app version but as you have pointed it is different ...BTW there are about 40 Visa options to chose from.
Translated
01 Diplomatic or Government (NON-30)
02 Ambassadors or bureaucrats (NON-90)
03 People temporarily (NON-90)
04 Temporary people 1 year (NON-1 YEAR)
05 3 nationality workers (Khmer, Myanmar, Laos) (NON-2 YEAR)
06 Special temporary residents (NON-3 YEAR)
07 tourists 15 days
08 tourists (60 days)
09 people traveling through (30 days)
10 people inside
11 hospitable (CY-30)
12 hospitable (CY-90)
13 P.15
14 P.30
15 Ph.D. 14
I think this post shows that the Non 90 should be used. Looking at the numbers; 15,30,60 and 90, it shows that they mean the length of stay given upon entry.
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From Richard Barrow in Thailand
http://www.richardbarrow.com/2019/08/everything-i-know-about-the-tm30-form-after-attending-chamber-of-commerce-meetings-and-speaking-at-the-fcct/?fbclid=IwAR0HHlJKmm6SpniqSZt38MONXDX0AI255RRdXzXEowbnWKAsDy1qOs7Or4U
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Many thanks Smithy for the From Richard Barrow in Thailand blog. Most illuminating. This blog has confirmed my worst fears of Thai Immigration crackdown on permanent expats.
On Friday I got an unexpected visit by 2 Thai Immigration Police wanting to know if I was living at my registered residence, with my wife. They asked me if I ever go on holidays. I said if you look at my passport you will see that I live permanently at my address. After having read Richard Barrows blog I think they were sniffing around for the TM 30.
I currently live permanently in Thailand on a Non O visa based on marriage.
Each month I go to St. Mary?s hospital in Nakhon Rathchasima to see a medical specialist. According to the strict interpretation on the TM 30 I should register a TM 30 form. If this draconian outdated legislation is enforced then it becomes another hurdle for good and decent expats to jump over.
I am seriously considering selling my assets and moving to a country that respects good and decent expats.
Regards
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How many nights do you stay in hospital? TM30 is the responsibility of the owner/landlord. I would doubt a hospital would file a TM30 for a patient. Therefore there would be no need for the owner of the house where you live to file one upon return.
Besides, Buriram immigration do not require a TM30 unless you have changed address.
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Confusion reigns in TM30 palaver
(From the Bangkok Post today)
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/special-reports/1732599/confusion-reigns-in-tm30-palaver?fbclid=IwAR1kS7bEn0R0UtfkJ4vDwLYtTK27Kz6RQDPsLj1xjbeNIMwqp7Kywk7iq3k
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I think once you have the Section 38 app on your Phone/Android device or even your PC to report is quite simple ( once you know how ,hence me starting this thread :) ) . I know its a pain in ar** but that's the way it is !!
There have been reports of people waiting a long time for usernames and passwords ( I waited nearly 3 weeks ) but if you use the Section 38 app, fill in the registration and add you wife's /Thai partners House Book and ID card the password and username will come in time .
What seems to have pissed many long-term Expats Off is they have already given heaps of information over to the Immigration ( ie as my Opening Post) when in theory what they should be cracking down on is Hotels ,Guest House and Rental Home's that don't Report guest's ......not long term Expats that are living happily with there Thai Partners after having met all the Visa requirements .
Yes there are some Westerners that stay here illegally but when you see reports of Immigration rounding up illegals 95% or more seem to be from Neighboring Countries and any odd westerner they do find seems to make it to the front page of news sites. ::)
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In my humble opinion, good permanent expats, are continually being pressured for multiple duplicitous information when Thai Immigration already has all the information they require on their computer system.
I smell a coat of racism worn under the outer Baht hungry starched t-shirt.
Regards
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The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents. Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats. Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards
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The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents. Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats. Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards
A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.
The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.
Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.
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The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents. Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats. Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards
A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.
The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.
Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.
And as for Human Rights..... Thailands Government pledges to develop measures to protect human rights defenders remained unfulfilled in 2018.
As for Expats Human Rights...I'm not sure if we have any ::)
I've lived in Thailand for 18 years and maried for 15. If I don't meet the Visa requirements I will have to leave , which would mean splitting up our family and the Thai Government dont seem to have a problem with this ....Rules are Rules :blink:
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The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents. Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats. Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards
A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.
The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.
Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.
And as for Human Rights..... Thailands Government pledges to develop measures to protect human rights defenders remained unfulfilled in 2018.
As for Expats Human Rights...I'm not sure if we have any ::)
I've lived in Thailand for 18 years and maried for 15. If I don't meet the Visa requirements I will have to leave , which would mean splitting up our family and the Thai Government dont seem to have a problem with this ....Rules are Rules :blink:
I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.
If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.
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I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.
If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.
Yes ..I'm not saying places like the UK are any easier but I'm sure after you have lived there with your wife for 15 years , she would have more rights than any Westerner in Thailand has . ::)
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I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.
If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.
Yes ..I'm not saying places like the UK are any easier but I'm sure after you have lived there with your wife for 15 years , she would have more rights than any Westerner in Thailand has . ::)
Having held PR for 30 of my 33 years here in Thailand, and having a Thai wife and 3 children raised here, I have no more rights than any other expat with a retirement/marriage visa/extension. The only benefit I have with PR is that I do not need to find/bank the large amount of money required to show immigration annually for a visa extension, and 90 day reporting and the TM30 rules fortunately do not apply to me. I have also in the past usually managed to bluff my way into national parks and the like for the Thai price, though that is something most expats can on occasions (not always) succeed with.
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The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents. Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats. Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards
A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.
The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.
Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.
And as for Human Rights..... Thailands Government pledges to develop measures to protect human rights defenders remained unfulfilled in 2018.
As for Expats Human Rights...I'm not sure if we have any ::)
I've lived in Thailand for 18 years and maried for 15. If I don't meet the Visa requirements I will have to leave , which would mean splitting up our family and the Thai Government dont seem to have a problem with this ....Rules are Rules :blink:
I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.
If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.
I don't think it fair to use your Non O as a comparison.
Savannakhet are an exception to the rule and don't require evidence of funds/income.................. a better comparison is trying to get a visa from, say, the Thai embassy in London.
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The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.
4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.
The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents. Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats. Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards
A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.
The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.
Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.
And as for Human Rights..... Thailands Government pledges to develop measures to protect human rights defenders remained unfulfilled in 2018.
As for Expats Human Rights...I'm not sure if we have any ::)
I've lived in Thailand for 18 years and maried for 15. If I don't meet the Visa requirements I will have to leave , which would mean splitting up our family and the Thai Government dont seem to have a problem with this ....Rules are Rules :blink:
I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.
If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.
I don't think it fair to use your Non O as a comparison.
Savannakhet are an exception to the rule and don't require evidence of funds/income.................. a better comparison is trying to get a visa from, say, the Thai embassy in London.
I wasn't referring specifically to the type of visa I use. More the methods that can be used to obtain one.
I can enter Thailand on a tourist visa. Put some money in the bank, convert to an O in Thailand and then extend. No need to leave.
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I wasn't referring specifically to the type of visa I use. More the methods that can be used to obtain one.
I can enter Thailand on a tourist visa. Put some money in the bank, convert to an O in Thailand and then extend. No need to leave.
It's a crazy world we live in where a Samalian Family can move the UK but an EXpat has to jump through hoops to live with his wife.
Do Samalian's have to go back home after 6 months and re-apply like a Thai wife has to ??? ( rhetorical question :) )
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I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.
If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.
Obviouly you know more than me about this but .......On Key Visa it says
What is a UK Settlement Visa?
" A UK settlement visa allows you to live in the UK with your Thai partner as man and wife. The foremost criteria for this visa is that you have been legally married in Thailand.
When the settlement visa is awarded to your Thai wife it is a 2 year and 9 month visa which can be extended while still in the UK at the UKVI, without your wife having to return to Thailand.
The extension given after the 2 years and 9 months is normally another 2 years and 3 months making the stay up to 5 years, this is to prove you are a genuine couple and still in an ongoing relationship.
The visa allows multiple entries so that your wife can return to Thailand on holiday and to visit family.
What can your wife legally do in the UK?
A UK Settlement visa allows your Thai wife to work legally, obtain a National Insurance number, be eligible for National health care, sign on with your local doctor and do pretty much all the same things as an English wife would be able to achieve.
Your Thai wife cannot claim Government benefits including job seekers allowance which is actually stated on the visa as, ?no recourse to any public funds.? So as the UK sponsor, your job is to financially take care of your Thai wife for the duration of your lives together in the UK.
https://www.keyvisathailand.com/uk-visas/uk-settlement-visa/
I guess you are going back unable to meet the Settlement Visa requirements hoping to find work to meet the requirements at a later date !!
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I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.
If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.
Obviouly you know more than me about this but .......On Key Visa it says
What is a UK Settlement Visa?
" A UK settlement visa allows you to live in the UK with your Thai partner as man and wife. The foremost criteria for this visa is that you have been legally married in Thailand.
When the settlement visa is awarded to your Thai wife it is a 2 year and 9 month visa which can be extended while still in the UK at the UKVI, without your wife having to return to Thailand.
The extension given after the 2 years and 9 months is normally another 2 years and 3 months making the stay up to 5 years, this is to prove you are a genuine couple and still in an ongoing relationship.
The visa allows multiple entries so that your wife can return to Thailand on holiday and to visit family.
What can your wife legally do in the UK?
A UK Settlement visa allows your Thai wife to work legally, obtain a National Insurance number, be eligible for National health care, sign on with your local doctor and do pretty much all the same things as an English wife would be able to achieve.
Your Thai wife cannot claim Government benefits including job seekers allowance which is actually stated on the visa as, ?no recourse to any public funds.? So as the UK sponsor, your job is to financially take care of your Thai wife for the duration of your lives together in the UK.
https://www.keyvisathailand.com/uk-visas/uk-settlement-visa/
I guess you are going back unable to meet the Settlement Visa requirements hoping to find work to meet the requirements at a later date !!
Correct on all counts. There is a premium that has to be paid at time of application for NHS care.
I have work when I get there but will need to wait 6 months before my wife can apply for settlement. Need to show 6 months of payslips showing an annual salary of at least 18600 pounds.
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Correct on all counts. There is a premium that has to be paid at time of application for NHS care.
I have work when I get there but will need to wait 6 months before my wife can apply for settlement. Need to show 6 months of payslips showing an annual salary of at least 18600 pounds.
I did read that 47% of the UK population are not going to earn enough money to be able to bring in a wife or a husband from a country outside of the EU. :(
My Mate that works as a Tesco Shelf Filler in the UK is having to send his new wife back :)
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Thailand's TM30 revisited: Clarifying the confusion?
For our regular Human Resource Watch series, we published on 24 June 2019 details of the TM30 Immigration reporting requirements as then understood. In response to many requests we now update from currently available information.
What is the TM30 reporting procedure?
This has been in force for forty years, since the Immigration Act of 1979. Under Section 38 of this Act, a householder, premises owner or hotel manager who receives a temporary non-immigrant resident to stay on the premises under their control is required to report the presence of that person. Reporting is to be made to the Immigration office having jurisdiction over that location. This reporting must be undertaken within 24 hours of arrival. This is not a new regulation. The announcement of 28 March 2019 was an announcement of enforcement of an existing regulation under the Immigration Act. This requirement has been observed by registered hotels for many years, but is now being required for all forms of accommodation used by non-immigrant foreigners.
Who must report?
The requirement to report is the duty of the person in control of the premises where the non-immigrant foreigner is staying, not the foreigners themselves. Those reporting may be:
- the manager of a hotel, hostel or other similar premises;
- the owner, whether a natural or juristic person, of an apartment, condominium or house;
- a person leasing premises used for habitation;
- the head of household as designated in a house registration book (tabien bahn) for occupants of their premises;
- a foreigner may be the person reporting, if that person is the owner of a condominium or of a house located on leased land.
Who must be reported under TM30?
All non-immigrants must be reported under TM30 regulations:
- Immigrants who are permanent residents (holders of TM17 Resident Books) do not have to be reported;
- holders of visas linked to work permits, including those with Board of Investment privileges, Smart Visas, Elite Cards, must be reported;
- holders of retirement visas, spouse visas, student visas, and research-related visas are to be reported.
When must reports be filed?
The responsible person must file a report within 24 hours of the arrival of the reported person at the premises.
- If a non-immigrant arrives on a Friday, reporting is permitted on a Monday;
- If there is a public holiday when the Immigration office is closed, reporting can be made on the next working day;
- If a person is travelling, such as from a land border, reporting can be within 24 hours of arrival at an accommodation, although this may exceed 24 hours from the time of border entry.
How and where is reporting to be conducted?
Reporting is to be undertaken within 24 hours of arrival at accommodation in the following manner:
- For Bangkok and some surrounding provinces, reporting is at the Immigration Department at Chaeng Wattana Road;
- For other provinces, reporting must be undertaken at the Immigration Office responsible for that location, or at the police station at the locality where a non-immigrant is residing;
- Reporting may be made on-line, but on first reporting, a report must normally be made in person to check validity of submitted documents;
- Reporting may be made by registered post, with evidence of posting within the required time limit;
- If reporting is beyond 24 hours after arrival, a fine is payable and must be made in person to assess and pay the fine.
What documents are required when reporting?
The following documents may be required:
- application form (TM30);
- title deed of premises (chanot) where the non-immigrant is staying;
- purchase / sale contract used to acquire the premises may be required;
- house registration certificate of the premises where the non-immigrant is staying;
- Identity Card of the person in control of the premises where the non-immigrant is staying;
- if a corporate owner, affidavit of the company indicating authorised signatories;
- if a corporate owner or representative of the owner, power of attorney authorising that person to represent the corporate or natural person owner;
- identity documents of authorised signatories and receivers of power of attorney;
- copy of passport identity details, current visa, most updated Thailand arrival stamp and immigration departure card (TM 6) of the non-immigrant to be registered.
Upon registration, a receipt will be issued in evidence of reporting performance.
What happens if there is delayed reporting or failure to report?
A report must be submitted within 24 hours of each entry of a non-immigrant into Thailand.
- In case of delay or failure to report;
- If reporting is beyond 24 hours of arrival at accommodation, a fine of Baht 800 may be imposed. According to the present regulations, these fines may be from Baht 800 to Baht 2,000 per occasion. For hotel managers, the fine would increase from Baht 2,000 to Baht 10,000;
- If a non-immigrant fails to be reported and subsequently seeks extension or renewal of visa, including renewal visa for work, retirement, spouse or other reason, the Immigration Department may reject such extension;
- It is reported that the Chamchuree Service Centre, which processes visas and work permits for Board of Investment applicants, Smart Visas, Elite Cards and holders of work permit for companies of registered capital of Baht 30 million upwards, does not require, evidence of TM30 registration. However this does not exempt those required to report non-immigrants from their reporting obligation;
- Non-immigrants who travel out of Thailand, whether on a single journey, multiple entry or re-entry permits are required to re-register on each occasion that they enter Thailand.
How to deal with ?problem cases??
?Problem cases? have arisen, including the following:
- A person having responsibility to report the presence of a non-immigrant foreigner sometimes refuses to report. In this case a non-immigrant has no alternative but to re-locate to another accommodation. The non-immigrant may offer to pay the Baht 800 fine himself on behalf of the owner, and undertake representation for registration;
- A reporting party may be overseas or lack necessary documents. Relocation may be necessary, alternatively it may be possible to obtain copies of documents, and a fine may be payable because of reporting delay;
- An original report may have been filed, but reports for repeated overseas trips may not have been made. A number of fines may then be payable. If the non-immigrant covers the cost, the necessary reporting can be brought up to date, enabling visa renewal to be completed.
What additional requirement may exist under Article 37 of the Immigration Act?
The Immigration Act 1979 also provides for reporting of domestic travel of non-immigrants when already in Thailand.
These requirements are as follows:
- If a non-immigrant relocates from one location already notified to Immigration, to another location, the Immigration Department must be notified by the non-immigrant of that relocation within 24 hours;
- If a non-immigrant moves from a location in one province to another province for a period of longer than 24 hours, the non-immigration is required to inform the police station in the location of arrival within 48 hours of arrival.
- Non-immigrants are required to report in person or in writing to the Immigration Department every 90 days.
The above details are provided as guidelines, but no responsibility can be taken for any inaccuracy or misinformation, however caused. For action advice, guidance should be sought from the Immigration Department.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1734775/thailands-tm30-revisited-clarifying-the-confusion-?fbclid=IwAR2R9AamjZSJBqi5fQW2Vv0nFdoRYn0E1NdSM6Tw-j72mVpEpou4NYdGjq4
I'm Glad that's cleared everything up party6
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At the end of the day, any announcement is irrelevant for those living in Buriram.
Buriram immigration only require a TM30 once.
I personally know of quite a few expats who have registered a TM30 at BI, gone on holidays both in and out of Thailand, not bothered registering another TM30, gone to immigration for a 90 day report or an extension of stay and had no problems. Me included.
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At the end of the day, any announcement is irrelevant for those living in Buriram.
Buriram immigration only require a TM30 once.
I personally know of quite a few expats who have registered a TM30 at BI, gone on holidays both in and out of Thailand, not bothered registering another TM30, gone to immigration for a 90 day report or an extension of stay and had no problems. Me included.
This is and interesting post.
Many other expats sites are going ballistic about the TM30.
People moaning about Online not working. Being fined because owner of rented property didn't do it.
Anyone here having problems? Do we need to do it at Buriram yet?
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IO at the stadium office says yes we must but at the other office I was told no, only if you change address. This was 3 weeks ago.
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IO at the stadium office says yes we must but at the other office I was told no, only if you change address. This was 3 weeks ago.
Well thats tipical Thai Immigration for you , told 2 different rules from to different offices ................ but TBH the worst case scenario is a 800 baht fine.
On my last 90 day border run ( as I'm on a Multi 'O' from Savannakhet ) I normally go to Chong Sa Ngam, it adds about 35k overall to my trip but the Cabodian Visa is 300B cheaper there and they only charge/scam 200 B for not staying overnight where as Chong Jom charge/scam 300B, so overall its 400B cheaper for me to go to the Chong Sa Ngam crossing.
Anyway the last time I went the Thai Immigration Officer at Chong Sa Ngam told me not to come to the Chong Sa Ngam crossing anymore because as I live in Surin I should use the Chong Jom Border crossing . angry1
I told him the reason I came to Chong Sa Ngam is because its 400B cheaper and if he was ME what would he do ???
Also I said there is no Immigration law that says I must use a certain border crossing . He just smiled at me biggrin1 ( because he had no answer ) and I went though over to the Cambodian Immigration Office.
The reason I have told you all this is because it just shows you just because an Immigration officer tells you something it doesn't mean it right .
So to save getting fined I would recommend anyone that goes away on holiday to report a TM30 or risk having to pay 800B....the choice is yours
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IMMIGRATION SAYS TM30 FIX UNDERWAY, PLEADS FOR UNDERSTANDING....click here to read (http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2019/08/30/immigration-bosses-say-tm30-fix-underway-plead-for-understanding/)
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GOV?T TO SCRAP ARRIVAL CARDS FOR FOREIGNERS, INTRODUCE TM30 APP ....click here to read (http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/business/2019/09/18/govt-to-scrap-arrival-cards-for-foreigners-introduce-tm30-app/)
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