Domestic violence

[davureborn]

Not really domestic, it was in the middle of the road actually. Driving home, I saw a motorbike stopped, 4 year old on the back, and a guy (Cambodian I think) holding a lady down to the ground and kicking shit out of her. I stopped and sounded the horn. He looked around, the lady escaped, but the kid was still on the bike, so she didn't go far. I thought ok, game over, and then he started again and she gave him some nice ones in return.
I thought my carcam was running, I realised that it wasn't. The two fotos I took just show a guy with his arms around somebody's shoulders. I reversed a little and sounded the horn again, showed the guy my camera, and he decided to vent his wrath on me. Didn't think about central locking, he opened the door three times, my granddaughter was screaming by this time and my wife telling me to get away, 'maybe he has a gun'. being a 'good driver' I didn't reverse quickly without looking in my mirror. Meanwhile the girl had run off to a neighbouring house and abandoned her child, maybe she didn't like being kicked.
So: no damage done to me, and further violence avoided, Question: if I had had a gun, how would that have changed my reaction? I ask this question here because I have a fair idea of who his pro- and anti-gun carrying here. I did think about my good old Swiss machete lying in the workshop while this was happening. Things just happen so fast and you just do what you have been trained to do (I was a life guard at one point, we got trained how to react when you see something on the road, which is why I stopped).
Maybe I was just stupid getting involved?

[dundeemk6]

Basic rule of engagement : LISTEN TO YOUR WIVE !!!!!!

[davureborn]

Yup. But I was listening to what I was trained to do, which is why I wonder about what would have happened if I had been a US police officer.

[CO-CO]

This is Thailand, not the wild west.

If you want to get involved it is 'up to you'... but be prepared for ANY consequences.

Anyone 'getting involved' with their grandchild in the car is fookin 'idiot in my book..... whatever training they have had.

[davureborn]

Right, that's the kind of analytic, deep thinking response i was waiting for. Less of the 'fucking idiot' please, and tell me what you would have done if you had a gun in the car. Next..
 

[toffo]

Buy some pepper spray and keep it in your car.. You can buy it at the little Taweekit .. There is a shop in there.. I would of put my car in reverse full lock and put him over the bonnet.. Better to be safe than sorry..

[BillH52]

US Officer is trained to use 0bserved force +1;
In this case:
Brute force + cuffs . . Probably not a guarantee of victim & officer safety
Baton . . Same problem
Pepper spray . . Wind, effectiveness . . probably preferred choice
Taser . Subject to aim, etc. . . Worth a try, but . . Again, not a guarantee
Gun . . Last, worst option; but also, possibly the best option
Split second to decide and act

[toffo]

Oh and no point in using a gun unless you want to be locked up in a shitty dirty rat infested cell for along time.. Well done on stopping though

[Starman]

This is Thailand, not the wild west.

If you want to get involved it is 'up to you'... but be prepared for ANY consequences.

Anyone 'getting involved' with their grandchild in the car is fookin 'idiot in my book..... whatever training they have had.

Agreed Coco.

This is not the wild west but could so easily become the wild north east.

I once heard someone say that they "felt safe here even though it can a dangerous place.

Get involved and people can find you. It is not difficult for locals to ask "where does the farang with the ......car live?

Then it becomes a mob situation.

As for the gun?? Go ahead. Shoot him. Farang v Thai in a court of law. No brainer.

Hard as it may seem....drive on by. What that man could possibly do to you and your family, people you love, could and probably would be far worse that what he did to a woman you don't even know. Harsh by true.

[CO-CO]

Right, that's the kind of analytic, deep thinking response i was waiting for. Less of the 'fucking idiot' please, and tell me what you would have done if you had a gun in the car. Next..

I wouldn't have had a gun in the car... next.

You don't have to be a deep thinker to call someone for taking even the slightest risk with their grandchild because of a Rambo complex.

[CO-CO]

This is Thailand, not the wild west.

If you want to get involved it is 'up to you'... but be prepared for ANY consequences.

Anyone 'getting involved' with their grandchild in the car is fookin 'idiot in my book..... whatever training they have had.

Agreed Coco.

This is not the wild west but could so easily become the wild north east.

I once heard someone say that they "felt safe here even though it can a dangerous place.

Get involved and people can find you. It is not difficult for locals to ask "where does the farang with the ......car live?

Then it becomes a mob situation.

As for the gun?? Go ahead. Shoot him. Farang v Thai in a court of law. No brainer.

Hard as it may seem....drive on by. What that man could possibly do to you and your family, people you love, could and probably would be far worse that what he did to a woman you don't even know. Harsh by true.

That is why I stand by my "fucking idiot" comment.

Tough love..... accept it or don't. It is not MY life.

[BillH52]

As a private individual with with a gun in the car . . No immediate threat of your life = no gun.  What you did was good; plus call cops/911.

Lock the doors and blair the horn; be prepared for focus directed toward you.  A second or 2 to decide.

[toffo]

So would you just drive on and mind your own buisness if your saw a child being Raped or beaten...
I doubt you would and it's not a different situation it's still could be the same guy.. 

[Starman]

Buy some pepper spray and keep it in your car.. You can buy it at the little Taweekit .. There is a shop in there.. I would of put my car in reverse full lock and put him over the bonnet.. Better to be safe than sorry..

Yep. Pepper spry him. Shoot him or do what you want with him.

If you don't kill him then you are in the shit. If you do kill him you are in worse shit.

So you shoot him, ram him or whatever and he doesn't die.

He then gets you arrested. The woman involved has suddenly got a new description of what happened, probably under threat of the tosser that was beating her up. Anyone that is enough of an arse to do that in the first place is capable of worse. The story then becomes "the farang beat me up for no reason"

You lose every time. Like I said, it's harsh but you must move on by.

[davureborn]

Coco: Well there you go again. Rambo complex? What the hell is that? I was trained, and in an emergency situation you react according to how you were trained. My son was involved with a new appreciation of gun use in Switzerland and I learnt a lot from him. A police officer was killed in the States because he was picking up cartridge shells between shots, as he had been trained in the shooting range. I didn't think about the little girl in the back  I'm afraid, I just saw a guy really getting into violence. With his little kid watching. As to his trying anything here in my village, he would not survive for long, too much family around. 
I am proposing, in answer to the never ending discussion about guns on this forum, that if I had had a gun, things would have gone very wrong.
Edit: car cams can be useful if they are working.