Retirement Extension for Dummies ver 2015

[CO-CO]

The 'controversial' form was completed for KCI by a member of  Surin Farang forum.



I completed one 3 weeks ago and they didn't want it !!!

[CO-CO]

Rather than call it Starman's form I would be inclined to use the official document title of Foreign National Information(1) :-

Can't attach it because the PDF file is too big. Keith please PM your email address and I will forward it.


No. _____________
For the purpose of _____________________
Foreign National Information
This form shall be used for making record of information of every alien entering and staying in the Kingdom of Thailand and shall be submit with Notification of Residence for Aliens (section 37 , 38 of Immigration Act, B.E. 2522), or 90-days Notification, or Extension of Stays (all purposes), or Re-Entry Permit, or in all cases involving alien labors.
(If any item does not apply, please write “-”)
Providing false information to an officer, shall be punished under Penal Code.
1. To be Completed by Recording Person
Recording Agency ________________________ Recording Person Code _______________________
Recording Date ______________________________________________________________________
Name and Position of Recording Person (Official or Private)
Name-Surname _____________________________ Position _________________________________
Agency ____________________________________ Telephone _______________________________
2. Alien Information (Please Use Gregorian Calendar Format Day/Month/Year)
2.1. Alien’s Name _________________ Surname _________________ Middle _________________ Nationality _____________
Date of Birth _______ / ________ / _______ Age ________ year(s), Passport Numbers ______________________________
Father’s name/surname ______________________________ Mother’s name/surname ____________________________
2.2. Information on Alien’s Home Country
Address No. ______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane ______________ Road _______________________
Sub-district ___________________ District, City ___________________ Region, Province, State ______________________
Country _________________________ Telephone Number _______________ Mobile phone Number ________________
Information of Community Leader (for national of Laos PDR, Cambodia, Myanmar and Vietnam)
Name __________________ Surname __________________ Middle __________________ Occupation ________________
Address No. _____________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road _______________________
Sub-district ____________________ District, City ____________________ Region, Province, State ____________________
Country _________________________ Telephone Number _______________ Mobile phone Number ________________
2.3. Address in Thailand
2.3.1. Address No. ______________ Village No. _______________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ___________________
Sub-district _______________________ District, City ______________________ Province _______________________
Telephone Number _______________________________ Mobile phone Number ____________________________
2.3.2. Workplace _________________________ Address No. __________ Village No. ___________ Soi, Lane ____________ Road _______________________ Sub-district _______________________ District, City _____________________ Province ____________________ Telephone Number ______________ Mobile phone Number _________________
2.4. Frequently used Social Media (OPTIONAL-this will be used as additional means of communications from official)
2.4.1. Facebook ___________________________________
2.4.2. Line ID ____________________________________
2.4.3. Other _____________________________________ Email Address _____________________________________
2.5. Vehicle
Car/Motocycle’s Brand _________________________ Model ______________________ Color _______________________
License Plate Number ___________________________________________________________________________________
SUB - DIV.3, IMM. DIV.1
2.6. Frequently Visited Places or Premises (such as Club, Restaurant, Shop, Hospital etc.)
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
2.7. Emergency Contact Person(s)
2.7.1. Thai Nationality
Name ____________________________________________ Surname ___________________________________________
Address No. _______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ____________________ Sub-district ___________________________ District, City _______________________ Province _____________________ Telephone Number ________________________________ Mobile phone Number _______________________________ Workplace ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Address No. _______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ____________________ Sub-district ___________________________ District, City _______________________ Province _____________________ Telephone Number ________________________________ Mobile phone Number _______________________________
2.7.2. Foreign Nationality
Name ________________________ Surname _______________________ Middle ______________ Nationality _________
Address No. _______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ____________________ Sub-district ___________________________ District, City _______________________ Province _____________________ Telephone Number ________________________________ Mobile phone Number _______________________________ Workplace ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Address No. _______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ____________________ Sub-district ___________________________ District, City _______________________ Province _____________________ Telephone Number ________________________________ Mobile phone Number _______________________________
2.8. Bank Account Number (Only required for certain types of visa applications)
Bank ______________________ Branch ______________________ Account Name ________________________________
Account Number ______________________________________________________________________________________
Note: Other Details (If Any)
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Signed ____________________________ Alien
( ____________________________ )
Signed ____________________________ Interview/Recording Person
( ____________________________ )
Position ____________________________
_______ / _______ / ________

[urleft]

Rather than call it Starman's form I would be inclined to use the official document title of Foreign National Information(1) :-

Can't attach it because the PDF file is too big. Keith please PM your email address and I will forward it.

Ray,

The form is not required by KCI, why would I want it? 

My goal on this thread it so identify the KCI requirements, provide the forms, and help us all get approved.  You stated that KCI did not want the form.  However, Starman continues to push it even after being made aware KCI does not require it.

Why keep bringing the form up when KCI has rejected it?  In my way of thinging that is just stupid to keep asking KCI about it when they have said they don't want it.  I Just want to know what KCI requires and provide them the correct forms, and have these forms posted. 

So until KCI requires the form, I not only intend to ignore it, but try to stop having it mentioned to KCI so they investigate it. 

In America we have a principal of Kiss, which is what I am trying to do here. 

[CO-CO]

Keith,

They did want it...



.. then they didn't...



It is a Thai Immigration form and I have no doubt that it will soon be in general use - the intent could not be clearer:-


Foreign National Information
This form shall be used for making record of information of every alien entering and staying in the Kingdom of Thailand and shall be submit with Notification of Residence for Aliens
(section 37 , 38 of Immigration Act, B.E. 2522), or 90-days Notification, or Extension of Stays (all purposes), or Re-Entry Permit, or in all cases involving alien labors.

[urleft]

Keith,

They did want it...



.. then they didn't...



It is a Thai Immigration form and I have no doubt that it will soon be in general use - the intent could not be clearer:-


Foreign National Information
This form shall be used for making record of information of every alien entering and staying in the Kingdom of Thailand and shall be submit with Notification of Residence for Aliens
(section 37 , 38 of Immigration Act, B.E. 2522), or 90-days Notification, or Extension of Stays (all purposes), or Re-Entry Permit, or in all cases involving alien labors.

Ray,

Here are sections 37/38.  Please specify to me exactly where the information in starman's form is required: 


After cancellation of the temporary entry permit
in reference to the provision of paragraph 1 of this
Section , the alien must be notified by
 a written notice. In the case a
written notice cannot be sent to the
alien , yet the competent official has post a notice to
the alien’s place of stay , as previously notified , and
forty – eight hours , have passed , it is assume
d that the alien has received said notice.
Section 37 :
 An alien having received a temporary entry pe
rmit into the Kingdom must comply with the
following :
1.   Shall not engage in the occupation or tempor
ary or employment unless authorized by the
Director General. or competent official deputized by t
he Director General . If , in any case , there is a law
concerning alien employment provided hereafter , the
granting of work privileges must comply with the
law concerned.
2.   Shall stay at the place as indicated to t
he competent official. Wher
e there is proper reason
that he cannot stay at the place as
indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official
of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.
3.   Shall notify the police official of the local polic
e station where such alie
n resides, within twenty
– four hours from the time of arrival. In the case
 of change in residence in which new residence is not
located the same area with the former police stations
, such alien must notify the police official of the
police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.
4.   If the alien travels to any pr
ovince and will stay t
here longer than twenty – four hours , such
alien must notify the police official of the police stati
on for that area within forty – eight hours from the time
of arrival.
5.   If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer
than ninety days, such alien must notify the
competent official at the Immigration Division , in
writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as
possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is
required to do so every ninety days. Where there is
an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a co
mpetent Immigration Official of that office.
The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to
any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as
prescribed by the Director General.
In making notification under this Section , the alien may make notification in person or send a
letter of notification to the competent official , in
 accordance with the regulations prescribed by the
Director General .
Section 38 :
The house – master , the owner or the possess
or of the residence , or the hotel manager
where the alien , receiving permission to stay te
mporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the
competent official of the Immigrati
on Office located in the same area
with that hours , dwelling place or
hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of
the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office
located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.
In case the house , dwelling place , or hotel wher
e the alien has stayed under provision of Para.1
is located within the Bangkok area , such notificatio
n must be reported to the competent official at the
Immigration Division.
Making notification , in reference to the Para
 1 and 2 of this Section , must comply with
regulations prescribed by the Director General.





For Example, where is the specified requirement for Motorcycle brand in the Starman form section 2.5?   I don't see it so I don't understand how it can be clearer? 

[urleft]

I hate to say this, but WTF is wrong with you Brits?   


KCI has a specified list of forms they require.  I heard it was updated and I want those current forms.   However, no feedback from my 100% success rate on retirement "visas" has included Starman's form.


Why can't you Brits join me in trying to identify the current requirements? 




I want the ground truth on what KCI requires today, not years from now.     So exactly what Starman form or Co co support helps getting to the truth?

[gotlost]

As of yesterday June 23 at 10:30 am KCI was not requiring or issuing said forumwith the packets of forums for retirement or marriage. What happens today is a different subject

[urleft]

Exactly.  It is not required. And nothing I (we) have heard from KCI indicates this form is forthcoming.  KCI has said they don't use the form, so stop bringing it to their attention. 

Unfortunately Starman will probably be successful in getting his form added to the KCI requirements and it will be added to the list. 

[nookiebear]

As of 08-30 yesterday Jomtien Immigration started to use the form with the addition of a passport sized Photo

[urleft]

As of 08-30 yesterday Jomtien Immigration started to use the form with the addition of a passport sized Photo

Unfortunately I believe y'all will be successful in bringing starman's form to the attention of KCI and making it required.

[Starman]

You really are a dick sometimes,Urleft.

Your dislike for me and your inability to accept there might be something you don't know is clouding your judgement.

I have never tried to get this form into the requirement at KCI. How could I? I don't even use KCI.

What I did do was post a link to an informative post saying that the new form was being distributed. It has been confirmed to you that there are now 4 immigration offices using the form and that KCI used it once.

You claim 100% success but then you say one guy you helped needed new forms. That suggests that your package is out of date.

Whilst one has to commend you for what you are trying to do it is unfortunate that you will not accept advice or pointers to a possible change.

[Voodoo]

Ok.. GL hit the nail on the head... What happens today at Immigration, No matter what office you go to, that's today.. Tomorrow it may be something totally
different.. I just did my Visa extension, at KCI, yesterday and the difference between yesterday and when I did it last year were like night and day.. Wasn't put
Under Consideration, like I was last year.. No walking across the street to make copies after the originals were stamped.. Just the original was needed.. No copies.
They now have signs at 2 of the stations, one for Surin and one for Buriram.. There are some updated Thai Forms that are now used.. They are easier to read and
include English in them...Sorry but I forgot to pick up some extra copies of the packets that they now use.. Last year it was 2 copies of everything, put Under
Consideration for 30 days and a Home Visit that lasted well over an hour.. What happens today, Who Knows?  I read that new form it's a duplication of effort and just
more paperwork.. The majority of the information they want they already have.. Just looks like someone's way of pounding their chest, like the alpha Male, to get
a promotion.. It's just like everything else they do.. They come up with something new and throw it against the wall and see if it sticks.. My total visit yesterday
was a little under 2 hours.. They were courteous, professional, and efficient.. I walked out happy with a new visa extension and re-entry permit.. That was yesterday

[buckwhelk]

Ok.. GL hit the nail on the head... What happens today at Immigration, No matter what office you go to, that's today.. Tomorrow it may be something totally
different.. I just did my Visa extension, at KCI, yesterday and the difference between yesterday and when I did it last year were like night and day.. Wasn't put
Under Consideration, like I was last year.. No walking across the street to make copies after the originals were stamped.. Just the original was needed.. No copies.
They now have signs at 2 of the stations, one for Surin and one for Buriram.. There are some updated Thai Forms that are now used.. They are easier to read and
include English in them...Sorry but I forgot to pick up some extra copies of the packets that they now use.. Last year it was 2 copies of everything, put Under
Consideration for 30 days and a Home Visit that lasted well over an hour.. What happens today, Who Knows?  I read that new form it's a duplication of effort and just
more paperwork.. The majority of the information they want they already have.. Just looks like someone's way of pounding their chest, like the alpha Male, to get
a promotion.. It's just like everything else they do.. They come up with something new and throw it against the wall and see if it sticks.. My total visit yesterday
was a little under 2 hours.. They were courteous, professional, and efficient.. I walked out happy with a new visa extension and re-entry permit.. That was yesterday

Good report.

[urleft]

You really are a dick sometimes,Urleft.

Your dislike for me and your inability to accept there might be something you don't know is clouding your judgement.

I have never tried to get this form into the requirement at KCI. How could I? I don't even use KCI.

What I did do was post a link to an informative post saying that the new form was being distributed. It has been confirmed to you that there are now 4 immigration offices using the form and that KCI used it once.

You claim 100% success but then you say one guy you helped needed new forms. That suggests that your package is out of date.

Whilst one has to commend you for what you are trying to do it is unfortunate that you will not accept advice or pointers to a possible change.

Let's see, who is the dick here?   


Urleft:  Heard that KCI has updated forms, let's try to get them posted here.


or


Starman:  Even though KCI has said they don't want Starman's Form, let's continue to ask them if they want the controverisal form. 



And on the 100% success rate, the guy never came to me for help but he used what I posted here, took it to KCI and walked out with a new extension.  So I did no have this guy as a client, however, if I did I would count him in my 100% success rate as he was successful in getting his new extension.

[Sofa_King]

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/06/thailand-intrusive-immigration-form/