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End of Visa Runs 13 Aug
« on: July 15, 2014, 04:03:59 PM »
No More Visa Runs
 
  Mayuree Sukyingcharoenwong,
Somchai Samart
 The Nation July 15, 2014  1:00 am
 
   http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/No-more-visa-runs-30238504.html
 
Immigration authorities will not let visa runners return after August 12 
 
FOREIGNERS WHO do regular visa runs in order to extend their stay in Thailand have less than a month before a crackdown by the authorities to enforce immigration laws more strictly.

   From August 13, people will not be able to re-enter the country, regardless of their choice of transport.

   The Immigration Bureau has already instructed officials to deny entry to foreigners doing visa runs as a measure to stop the exploitation of tourist visas and visa exemptions to live or work here.

   Visa runs have been common among foreigners in Thailand recently, given that a simple search on the Net turns up several companies offering "visa trips" for expatriates staying or working here.

   Visa runners are those who leave Thailand and return immediately for the purpose of extending their stay. By exploiting 60-day tourist visas and 30-day visa exemptions, many foreigners can work illegally in language schools, or restaurants and other businesses. It is easier for some to get jobs this way, as some employers do not want to go through the complicated process of seeking work permits and like to avoid the expense if they can.

   "I have done visa runs several times before, because my employers would not agree to seek a work permit until I passed their probation period. So, when you stop allowing visa runs, the lives of many foreigners in Thailand will be affected," a 46-year-old American said.

   Meanwhile, the Immigration Bureau website says: "Leniency will be granted until August 12, but only for passengers arriving by air. Foreigners who come to Thailand must seek a proper visa in line with the purpose of their intended stay here."

   Now, those on a visa run who are allowed back in will find an "O-I" (Out-In) mark next to their latest stamp marking entry. From August 13, nobody with an O-I sign on their passport will be allowed to re-enter Thailand if they cannot produce a proper visa.

   The Immigration Bureau has instructed checkpoints on shared borders to stop visa runners from entering the Kingdom effective immediately.

   Immigration Division 6 chief Pol Maj-General Tatchai Pitaneelabut, who oversees immigration affairs in the South, said visa runners come from several countries, including Vietnam, South Korea and Russia.

   "They come here to work as tour guides, waiters, waitresses, etc," he said, pointing out that these visa-runners are often based in tourist centres such as Phuket and Songkhla.

   However, he said the presence of the so-called "out-in" migrants in the South had been significantly reduced because immigration officials were already enforcing stricter laws.

   Pol Lt-Colonel Weerawat Nilwat, an inspector at the Sungai Kolok border checkpoint in Narathiwat province, disclosed that immigration officials at his workplace had already barred more than 100 visa-runners from re-entering the Kingdom.

   "We have to be strict because we have to uphold laws and properly control immigrants. Efficiency on this front will also reduce crime," he said.

   Pol Colonel Thirachai Dedkhad, the superintendent at the Sa Kaew checkpoint, said officials under his supervision were not stopping visa runners from re-entering yet. "But we have been warning them to acquire a proper visa before they come to Thailand the next time."

   He said immigration officials had also warned people departing that they must obtain a proper visa if they want to come back.

   "We have made it clear that if they want to work in Thailand, they must seek a work permit and get the right type of visa," Thirachai said

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Re: End of Visa Runs 13 Aug
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 10:16:42 PM »
They cant be talking about falangs as who would work for 300 baht a day heing a waiter or waitress.. They should ge targetting people from low income countries, India, vietnam etc... Lots of people are going to be worried now but im sure T money will give some a safe passage through.. Overstayers will explode to a massive number now

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Re: End of Visa Runs 13 Aug
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2014, 02:26:13 AM »
I think that news are very bad for many foreigners living/visiting Thailand for long periods.
WOW, If they enforce it I think almost anyone will be effected.
IF they enforce this law you will see much less foreigners in Thailand, OR new visa permit kinds which solve this conflict, but that will cost money.
My advise, come, visit Thailand and go away, otherwise, if you are staying in Thailand, make sure you are doing it for the right reasons, hence, you must be able to get a proper visa!
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Re: End of Visa Runs 13 Aug
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2014, 06:53:57 AM »
They cant be talking about falangs as who would work for 300 baht a day heing a waiter or waitress.. They should ge targetting people from low income countries, India, vietnam etc... Lots of people are going to be worried now but im sure T money will give some a safe passage through.. Overstayers will explode to a massive number now

Maybe you haven't read the new regulations for overstay???????

This will only effect the people who have been bucking the system already. Immigration are trying to stop people staying long term on a tourist visa, as they are clearly not tourists.

Long term stayers simply need to get a new visa.

I agree with Admin a little, in as much as there may be the need to issue a new kind of visa. The people who are clearly not catered for are under 50s who are not married or have no children.

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Re: End of Visa Runs 13 Aug
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2014, 07:52:38 AM »
They cant be talking about falangs as who would work for 300 baht a day heing a waiter or waitress.. They should ge targetting people from low income countries, India, vietnam etc... Lots of people are going to be worried now but im sure T money will give some a safe passage through.. Overstayers will explode to a massive number now

Maybe you haven't read the new regulations for overstay???????

This will only effect the people who have been bucking the system already. Immigration are trying to stop people staying long term on a tourist visa, as they are clearly not tourists.

Long term stayers simply need to get a new visa.

I agree with Admin a little, in as much as there may be the need to issue a new kind of visa. The people who are clearly not catered for are under 50s who are not married or have no children.

Affected.

Agree that under 50's without a wife/child are not catered for under the visa rules.

Perhaps now is the time to review the whole suite of available visas. Whilst the visa system is generally fair the message remains unwelcoming.

For many westerners (including all Europeans) we have been used to freedom of movement of goods/services, capital and people. The Thai authorities do not make it easy for someone under 50 to stay here - other than as a tourist. It may be fairer to remove the 50 year age limit and apply retirement extension financial criteria to anyone who wishes to reside in Thailand.

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Re: End of Visa Runs 13 Aug
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2014, 08:44:03 AM »
I see several unintended consequences: 

-  Thai Visa Run companies may get hurt
-  Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam will probably see an increase in long stay tourists
-  Less tourist dollars for Thailand. 
-  Increased lines at immigrations
-  Lots of confusion and misunderstandings while this works out.


But on the Visa Run companies, they may be able to change their tactics going from visa runs to tour companies.  It will depend on how much out of Thailand time is required before a new tourist visa will be issued.  If only one night, then over night tours will become popular and Cambodian hotels will see a boon.  And cheap air lines out of Utopia and other small airport into Laos/Combodia may also increase. 


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Re: End of Visa Runs 13 Aug
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2014, 09:39:56 AM »
The new regulations are not aimed at tourists. They are aimed at people who have been living here for a very long time on visa exempt stamps or tourist visas, when in fact they are long term residents and not tourists.

It is still perfectly acceptable to come to Thailand for a holiday using the correct visas.

The people being turned away at borders are those that have been doing border hops for years. Those with their first run of visa except stamps of tourist visas will be fine.

Those that do need to do an additional border hop, maybe their flight is a few days after visa expiry, there will be concessions so long as they have evidence of flight out of Thailand.

The question remains, when do long term tourists become long term stayers?

With a double entry tourist visa lasting 180 days, that seems to be the answer.

The only confusion lies on the timescales between coming and going. Is it acceptable to go to Laos and stay for a couple of weeks and then come back to Thailand?, for example.

For people here on Non B or Non O visas it is, for now at least, business as usual.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2014, 09:41:38 AM by Starman »

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Re: End of Visa Runs 13 Aug
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2014, 10:28:06 AM »
Long term stayers bring money.. They dont ponce off Thailand for anything.. They give to Thailand nit take... so  the under 50s will have a probkem and alot wil overstay. Yes ive read the new  overstay rules and i doubt that will put them off as they have to leave anway..

 

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