Yet Another Gun Outrage in USA

[Alan]

The way its writen and all with Walton Sheriff ta boot. Sounds like a rootin tootin jackanory story to me. Gun squad are getting desperate by the looks of it...........Waltons, Nite jim bob .

[urleft]

with respect Urleft, i dont think anyone on this post objected to personal protection in the home, or maybe even out of the home, a 12  or 15 shot mag semi auto pistol still sneaks into the acceptable but i think the objection comes from the strange desire in the USA for stock piling assault rifles etc..which seem to be the cornerstone of every massacre, often the owners are the parents of these sick kids that are the perpetrators ...but do not put them under lock and key separating rifle and ammo.
im sorry but i cannot see this story as an argument for the right to own assault rifles. (maybe she will trade in the .38 revolver & pick up a 40 caliber Glock)

What is your definition of an assault rifle? 

[Prakhonchai Nick]

Courtesy of Merriam Webster

assault rifle
noun    (Concise Encyclopedia)

Military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Light and portable, yet able to deliver a high volume of fire with reasonable accuracy at modern combat ranges of 1,000–1,600 ft (300–500 m), assault rifles have become the standard infantry weapon of modern armies. Their ease of handling makes them ideal for mobile assault troops crowded into personnel carriers or helicopters, as well as for guerrilla fighters engaged in jungle or urban warfare. Widely used assault rifles are the U.S. M16, the Soviet Kalashnikov (the AK-47 and modernized versions), the Belgian FAL and FNC, and the German G3.

Regardless of terminology, the point I think most people are making is that a basic handgun/pistol would be acceptable for home protection, but nothing more.  The specifics of a handgun/pistol would have to be left to the experts.

[Speros]

with respect Urleft, i dont think anyone on this post objected to personal protection in the home, or maybe even out of the home, a 12  or 15 shot mag semi auto pistol still sneaks into the acceptable but i think the objection comes from the strange desire in the USA for stock piling assault rifles etc..which seem to be the cornerstone of every massacre, often the owners are the parents of these sick kids that are the perpetrators ...but do not put them under lock and key separating rifle and ammo.
im sorry but i cannot see this story as an argument for the right to own assault rifles. (maybe she will trade in the .38 revolver & pick up a 40 caliber Glock)

What is your definition of an assault rifle?

"My" definition is a automatic/ semi automatic  rifle.....any take on the Armour-lite or Kalashnikov type weapons especially....... a single pistol or two in the home i can find understandable for protection, especially if living in a violent society.......by the way this is my definition...not from a dictionary...and im sure will differ from yours.

[urleft]

Courtesy of Merriam Webster

assault rifle
noun    (Concise Encyclopedia)

Military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Light and portable, yet able to deliver a high volume of fire with reasonable accuracy at modern combat ranges of 1,000–1,600 ft (300–500 m), assault rifles have become the standard infantry weapon of modern armies. Their ease of handling makes them ideal for mobile assault troops crowded into personnel carriers or helicopters, as well as for guerrilla fighters engaged in jungle or urban warfare. Widely used assault rifles are the U.S. M16, the Soviet Kalashnikov (the AK-47 and modernized versions), the Belgian FAL and FNC, and the German G3.

Regardless of terminology, the point I think most people are making is that a basic handgun/pistol would be acceptable for home protection, but nothing more.  The specifics of a handgun/pistol would have to be left to the experts.

These are already illegal and have been for over 50 years.
 
And by this definition, an assualt rifle has not been used in any of the mass killings.
 
 
 

[Prakhonchai Nick]

I have absolutely no knowledge of guns of any type.  A rifle (assault or otherwise) is clearly not a handgun!

[Speros]

sort of still fits in with my definition.....dont ya think....and you asked me what my definition was......

[Speros]

By the way...is there really a need for semi automatic or auto rifles in hunting....if it is a safety thing so a unarmed creature charges its assailant...surely a bolt action rifle would make the hunter a bit more of a "game Hunter"

[CO-CO]

I don't understand the definition but, to me, a simple hand gun would be an acceptable firearm per adult SOLELY for home protection.

I see no necessity for the general public to carry firearms outside the home.

Whilst I would have concerns about non-military/police carrying guns, I would be open to a debate about trained personnel having them in specified public locations i.e. schools or malls.

It just doesn't sound right - but is something worthy of discussion

[urleft]

sort of still fits in with my definition.....dont ya think....and you asked me what my definition was......

No, you said:

"but i think the objection comes from the strange desire in the USA for stock piling assault rifles etc..which seem to be the cornerstone of every massacre, often the owners are the parents of these sick kids that are the perpetrators"

No law abiding citizens are stock piling Assualt Rifles as these weapons are already illegal.   

[urleft]

By the way...is there really a need for semi automatic or auto rifles in hunting....if it is a safety thing so a unarmed creature charges its assailant...surely a bolt action rifle would make the hunter a bit more of a "game Hunter"

First, Rifles that will continue to fire as long as the trigger is held (and ammo available) are automatic rifles (machine guns) and are not legal for hunting. 

2nd,  Depends on what you are hunting.  If you are hunting feral pigs where there is no limit on how many you can take, a semi-automatic rifle is optimum, especially when outfitted with night scopes and a high capacity magazine. 

[Prakhonchai Nick]

Whilst there is considerable disagreement between us, we have nevertheless learnt quite a lot over the past couple of weeks about assorted guns. Thanks urleft for educating us. Not sure however I will put that education to use -a bit like Thai drivers!

[Speros]

sort of still fits in with my definition.....dont ya think....and you asked me what my definition was......

No, you said:

"but i think the objection comes from the strange desire in the USA for stock piling assault rifles etc..which seem to be the cornerstone of every massacre, often the owners are the parents of these sick kids that are the perpetrators"

No law abiding citizens are stock piling Assualt Rifles as these weapons are already illegal.

you asked what my definition of assault rifles were, wake up to yourself...i know what i said and under my definition its semi auto and automatic rifles...... including .22 semi auto rifles..... there are no need for them in private life...and no argument so far can make me change my mind,
i know what auto and semi auto means...have owned rifles, shot guns and a 9mm pistol in the past, now in Australia we generally go after feral pigs with dogs and a big knife.....some with compound bows.....they are "Game" Hunters

[urleft]

What is happening is that Politians and the Media are using peoples ignorance of weapons to incite them into abitarily banning weapons. 

The term "Assualt Rifles" is used by both, but they do not mean machine guns that continue to fire while ammo is available and the trigger is held.  And as shown on this forum, many here think that is what they are talking about.  Automatic weapons are already illegal, and have been for over 50 years. 

The Assult Rifle term as used by politians, activists and media are a named group of guns that only fire semi-automatically, but look military.  These weapons are not even used by the military.  If enacted, it basically ban a rifle for how it looks and a citizen can buy continue to legally buy a rifle with more capability than the "Assault Rifle". 

[urleft]

sort of still fits in with my definition.....dont ya think....and you asked me what my definition was......

No, you said:

"but i think the objection comes from the strange desire in the USA for stock piling assault rifles etc..which seem to be the cornerstone of every massacre, often the owners are the parents of these sick kids that are the perpetrators"

No law abiding citizens are stock piling Assualt Rifles as these weapons are already illegal.

you asked what my definition of assault rifles were, wake up to yourself...i know what i said and under my definition its semi auto and automatic rifles...... including .22 semi auto rifles..... there are no need for them in private life...and no argument so far can make me change my mind,
i know what auto and semi auto means...have owned rifles, shot guns and a 9mm pistol in the past, now in Australia we generally go after feral pigs with dogs and a big knife.....some with compound bows.....they are "Game" Hunters

You are completely entitled to your view.

However, I am trying to understand on where you come up with: 

"but i think the objection comes from the strange desire in the USA for stock piling assault rifles etc..which seem to be the cornerstone of every massacre, often the owners are the parents of these sick kids that are the perpetrators"

Where is it documented that Americans are stock piling assault rifles (i.e., machine guns), and when has an Automatic Rifle (machine gun) last been used in a massacre?