Yet Another Gun Outrage in USA

[urleft]

Why do you urleft, or anyone need to carry guns outside?  I can understand for home protection, but not in cars, shopping malls etc!

Because a lot of crime occurs outside the home, such as the Sandy School.  Imagine the difference if one of the teachers had carried a gun that day.   

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Man-uses-concealed-weapon-to-stop-stabbing-spree/zdZzsT6hNk2Q9tJtkKq3VA.cspx

Man uses concealed weapon to stop stabbing spree, police say he likely saved lives

[rufusredtail]

Urleft you really dont answer my question, i am asking you personally if you think there would be less deaths in the usa if the gun laws were stricter, i am not concerned about some guy getting hold of a gun illegally,if the laws were change to make it harder to own guns do you think there would be less deaths . YES or NO

[urleft]

No I don't think there would be less deaths with stricter gun laws.  They would probably increase as more and more law abiding citizens are disarmed. 

 

[rufusredtail]

 I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A POLITICIAN.

[Prakhonchai Nick]

Why do you urleft, or anyone need to carry guns outside?  I can understand for home protection, but not in cars, shopping malls etc!

Because a lot of crime occurs outside the home, such as the Sandy School.  Imagine the difference if one of the teachers had carried a gun that day.   

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Man-uses-concealed-weapon-to-stop-stabbing-spree/zdZzsT6hNk2Q9tJtkKq3VA.cspx

Man uses concealed weapon to stop stabbing spree, police say he likely saved lives

When it is permissible to carry guns outside, then nobody knows the intention (if any ) of the gun carrier,

If all guns were banned outside, it would be easier to apprehend and disarm the carrier.

I had a gun pointed at me in Jomtien some 16/17 years ago, by a temporary resident in my soi.  He had poisoned my dogs and shot the soi dogs. I involved the police, but as you all know the police are corrupt and nothing happened.

However he saw me a few days later in a very quiet part of the soi and threatened me. I was fortunate in being able to kick the gun out of his hand, and retrieve it befor him. He scarpered.

2 days later I heard he was knocked down by a car in Bangkok and died.

Good fcuking riddance!

[CO-CO]

Why do you urleft, or anyone need to carry guns outside?  I can understand for home protection, but not in cars, shopping malls etc!

Because a lot of crime occurs outside the home, such as the Sandy School.  Imagine the difference if one of the teachers had carried a gun that day.   

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Man-uses-concealed-weapon-to-stop-stabbing-spree/zdZzsT6hNk2Q9tJtkKq3VA.cspx

Man uses concealed weapon to stop stabbing spree, police say he likely saved lives

When it is permissible to carry guns outside, then nobody knows the intention (if any ) of the gun carrier,

If all guns were banned outside, it would be easier to apprehend and disarm the carrier.

I had a gun pointed at me in Jomtien some 16/17 years ago, by a temporary resident in my soi.  He had poisoned my dogs and shot the soi dogs. I involved the police, but as you all know the police are corrupt and nothing happened.

However he saw me a few days later in a very quiet part of the soi and threatened me. I was fortunate in being able to kick the gun out of his hand, and retrieve it befor him. He scarpered.

2 days later I heard he was knocked down by a car in Bangkok and died.

Good fcuking riddance!

Instant Karma!

Unfortunately,Keith would allow people like that to legally carry guns.

There are too many trigger-happy fcukers - especially in the States - who believe they have the 'right' to shoot first and ask questions later. What if you make an error of judgement or have a case of mistaken identity - mai bpen rai I suppose.

Defending your own property is one thing - but carrying guns in public is a step too far for me.

[Prakhonchai Nick]

Why do you urleft, or anyone need to carry guns outside?  I can understand for home protection, but not in cars, shopping malls etc!

Because a lot of crime occurs outside the home, such as the Sandy School.  Imagine the difference if one of the teachers had carried a gun that day.   

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Man-uses-concealed-weapon-to-stop-stabbing-spree/zdZzsT6hNk2Q9tJtkKq3VA.cspx

Man uses concealed weapon to stop stabbing spree, police say he likely saved lives

When it is permissible to carry guns outside, then nobody knows the intention (if any ) of the gun carrier,

If all guns were banned outside, it would be easier to apprehend and disarm the carrier.

I had a gun pointed at me in Jomtien some 16/17 years ago, by a temporary resident in my soi.  He had poisoned my dogs and shot the soi dogs. I involved the police, but as you all know the police are corrupt and nothing happened.

However he saw me a few days later in a very quiet part of the soi and threatened me. I was fortunate in being able to kick the gun out of his hand, and retrieve it befor him. He scarpered.

2 days later I heard he was knocked down by a car in Bangkok and died.

Good fcuking riddance!

Instant Karma!

Unfortunately,Keith would allow people like that to legally carry guns.

There are too many trigger-happy fcukers - especially in the States - who believe they have the 'right' to shoot first and ask questions later. What if you make an error of judgement or have a case of mistaken identity - mai bpen rai I suppose.

Defending your own property is one thing - but carrying guns in public is a step too far for me.

I believe he was legally entitled to carry a gun in Thailand too

After a breakin at my home in 1987, a Police Officer offered to sell me his gun for home protection for 6000bt. I declined. He told me it was quite OK to shoot an intruder, BUT if I shot him, I had to tell the Police it was the wife!

I suspect that if any burglar was shot in Thailand, his friends and brothers would ensure that my days were numbered!

[Alan]

It would appear most Americans have an anethnitised view of guns due to them being common place in society for so long. America has to be one of the few countries where people have historically open carried guns in peace time.
Humans being what they are do get into day to day conflicts and what should be at most a bloody nosed fist fight can so easily take a totally different and tragic turn when guns are to hand. Urleft assumes everybody to be responcible and level headed, well that aint how life is.
If America chooses to carry on with its gun culture then so be it. Tourists and business can choose to stay away, media can restrict reporting miserable events to the rest of the world and we can wish you all to have a nice day.
A trend I have noted from this and other similar threads is that gun pro Americans moving abroad insist on taking their gun pro culture with them. This usually falls outside the law making their actions illegal. It would therefore be safe to assume gun prohibative laws have little meaning to these people.

[CO-CO]

Well reasoned post Alan. If there was a 'like' or 'thanks' button  on this forum I would have clicked it.

[Eric2012]

Sometimes these subjects hit a little close to home.A short time ago ,a group of 5 young locals took refuge in our backyard,hiding from another armed group in hot pursuit.Not a nice place to find yourself in any country.Hope you all have a safe and Happy New Year

[urleft]

If I assumed everyone was reponsible and level headed, I never would have gotten a concealed weapons permit.   

And if the perps out there know there are armed people around, they are less likely to take action, why else are they going wacko in "Gun Free Zones", because they know the victims will be defenseless.   

But my primary concern is the taking away of my existing rights because of what criminals (that are already ignoring existing gun laws) are doing. 

[toffo]

Keith. I don't think for 1 minute that a lot of people would have a problem with arming your self with a pistol in your own home.. I'd like one here in Thailand myself but high powered rifles have no place in the family home.... I think a lot of ppl agree with you about being armed in your property but a rifle is a bit excessive..

[CO-CO]

I think Keith and most of us Brits (who have not been brought up with gun culture) will differ in the extent to which gun ownership should be allowed.

I worry about the readinesswith which Keith taught his wife to hit the X - thankfully Keith had never met Nick's assailant :-)

To me, the rights of the umarmed individual must come before the rights of any armed individual.

[urleft]

Keith. I don't think for 1 minute that a lot of people would have a problem with arming your self with a pistol in your own home.. I'd like one here in Thailand myself but high powered rifles have no place in the family home.... I think a lot of ppl agree with you about being armed in your property but a rifle is a bit excessive..

Right now I cannot think of a need for a high powered rifle in Thailand, however in America, I can think of several, usually associated with hunting.  For example the wild pig population in America is getting out of control, high powered rifles are needed to get rid of these herds. 




I would still like to have a .50 cal sniper rifle because I think its neat.  I once conducted a .50 cal range where they gave me 20,000 rounds of ammo for 130 people, I personally put about 2000 rounds down range.  But I have no pratical use for such a weapon, even in America.  But it would wow my gun buddies.   

And to Ray's comment, what rights are different between and armed individual and an unarmed person?  To me it should be none.  Both have a right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  If the armed individual is a law abiding citizen, there should be no issue, but if he is a criminal, it would not matter what gun laws were in place. 

[pablo]

It was around 9 years ago, when I was mugged by a couple of armed thugs in downtown Atlanta, Georgia.  I was with a couple of work mates and walking back to our hotel (2 blocks away), after having a late dinner and a couple of drinks.

These 2 looked like they came out of "central casting" for a movie, or a news report!  A pair of young black guys, wearing baggy, low rider jeans, and dark hooded sweatshirts.  They came scurrying toward us from a side street with their guns drawn..."gimme' your wallets mofo's, etc.".  We continued walking on and then heard the crack of a gun, when one of the punks fired a round into the air (I guess?).  We froze as the guys jumped ahead of us and pointed their guns directly at us.  They got our wallets and money and began taunting us with "let's cap their @sses anyway, and such..."!  We just started walking away quickly then, to their continued taunts.  And scared shitless, made it back to our hotel.  (Police report, but no action or remedy..."welcome to Atlanta", one officer said)

Within the next few months, there was a series of 2 or 3 convenience store robberies in my home city (Las Vegas).  The assailants shot the clerks after getting the cash, and in one case, shot two innocent customers.  (later saying, "they didn't want witnesses")

Then, just a short time after that horror subsided, some nut-bag went into a supermarket that I shop in, during the middle of the day, and started shooting people with a pump action shotgun.  This place is only 1/2 mile from my home, and in a decent neighborhood.  Two people were killed and 3 or 4 more injured, before the police arrived and the guy surrendered!  (mental case)

Of the three cases, only the nut-bag with the shotgun, had a legally owned weapon.  The other lowlifes were obviously using stolen or illegally acquired guns.

Nonetheless, that did it for me!  I decided I didn't want to be killed by some fruitcake while shopping for groceries, or gunned down by thugs in a 7-11 some night when I needed some smokes!

I already owned one handgun and a couple of hunting rifles, but I went to the local "Gun Store" (police owned and operated), and purchased a compact "carry" weapon.  Signed up for the concealed carry permit course.  I then attended the classroom session, demonstrated my knowledge of safety and ability, on the range...and applied for the permit.

It took around 90 days for the Sheriff's Dept to complete the background checks etc., and finally issue the concealed permit.  It's renewable every 60 months, and you have to go through the whole process again.

The "carry" gun, is now like my American Express card...I never leave home without it!