Who will be the next US President

[Italiantony]

Don't let it bother you, Ahab!  As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English;  I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others;  this is normal.

Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it.  Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.

What makes you think i am winding people up.
Everything i have stated i 100% believe in,i haven't made 1 post that i don't believe in.
(Frankly i don't think any forum needs people like you)
Why because my opinions differ from others isn't that what America is fighting for freedom of speech.
You don't have to agree with me but it's my opinion.

[CO-CO]

Don't let it bother you, Ahab!  As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English;  I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others;  this is normal.

Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it.  Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.

He is not Italian, he is not winding anybody up and I am sure he believes everything he has posted.

[binnsy]

Don't let it bother you, Ahab!  As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English;  I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others;  this is normal.

Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it.  Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.

What makes you think i am winding people up.
Everything i have stated i 100% believe in,i haven't made 1 post that i don't believe in.
(Frankly i don't think any forum needs people like you)
Why because my opinions differ from others isn't that what America is fighting for freedom of speech.
You don't have to agree with me but it's my opinion.

And with your wonderful pictures, no context is provided, but most likely they were caused by insurgents using Iranian munitions.

No context is provided.

Looks fair to me.  Lucky for the guy the Marines did not shoot first and ask questions later.

That's exactly the attitude i would expect from a Yank.
This conversation is going nowhere so there is not point when you make remarks like that.
One day i hope you and people like you wake up and realize what your country is doing to innocent people around the world all in the name of greed.

Yup, obviously going nowhere.  How many innocent people were killed during WWII? 

However, I do agree that it is too bad that terrorists us innocent people as shields.  Be much easier if we could get the terrorists to line up for battle so we could go at it. 

When you have GVT sponsored terrorism at some point the US will stop being nice guys and take out that GVT, because we can.  But usually in the aftermath of a US invasion, that country usually comes away very good, just look at Italy, Germany, Japan, etc.  If the US was really greedy you would all be US provinces (expect some fireworks from that allegation).  However, the truth is:

'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'


And after 911, I am all for fighting elsewhere and keeping the terrorists occupied away from the US.  But people like you blame the US, not the actual scumbags using women and children as shields, and the terrorists win because of people like you.

Only replying to this because of your continue use of the word Terrorist.
The real Terrorists in this world are not in the middle Eastern Muslim countries,but are standing tall in the Whitehouse Washington D.C United States of America.

That is a load of crap. When the United States starts to intentionally target innocent civilians you might be able to call the USA a terrorist nation. We have not and do not target civilians. 

 It is fine if you do not like the USA, but at least get your facts straight. According to you people who blow up pizza shops full of teenagers are not terrorists, but the US is a terrorist nation.

You my friend have a very twisted sense of reality.

So i have a twisted sense of reality and America does not.
REALLY.

[Ahab]

Don't let it bother you, Ahab!  As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English;  I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others;  this is normal.

Italiantony (if you are really Italian), you are behaving like so many people do in forums, winding up other posters just for the sake of it.  Frankly, I don't think any forum needs people like you.... but I suppose they add to the fun, if you treat them with the neglect they deserve.

What makes you think i am winding people up.
Everything i have stated i 100% believe in,i haven't made 1 post that i don't believe in.
(Frankly i don't think any forum needs people like you)
Why because my opinions differ from others isn't that what America is fighting for freedom of speech.
You don't have to agree with me but it's my opinion.

Italiantony, I was not going to reply to this topic, but I wanted to make a couple of points. You don't wind people up because you believe in something or have an opinion that differs from what I hold. For myself it is that you cannot draw any difference between intentionally targeting women and children or taking incredible precautions (and in many situations actually endangering  US troops in the field) to not harm innocent people.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it does make the world  a more interesting place. I do think it would be more interesting though if you could put together a cogent argument for your positions. Name calling and posting propaganda videos add little to support your opinions, but when your position is not supported by facts I guess it is probably the best way to go.

Cheers,

[nookiebear]

Where is Urleft..................??

[Ahab]

  As I've said somewhere earlier in this thread, I am English;  I admire America for some things, and deplore its actions in others;  this is normal.

Isanbirder, I am American and I also admire the USA for some things and deplore its actions in others.

As Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill stated "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing

—after they’ve tried everything else."

[urleft]

If i had my way i would put them animals in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole.

BTW, exactly what law would you put them away for "in prison with a life sentence without the possibility of parole"? 


Do you want to put them in prison because they heinously broke a law, or because your itsy bitsy feelings are hurt? 

[urleft]

Urleft - you are the one that started all this US crap. I've sat back and watched the predictable crap that comes out of US veterans.

I'm ex uk forces and I don't go on about but I will state for the record that the US forces are a liability. The Army do between 6 weeks and 3 months training hence their lack of professionalism.  Compare and contrast with the UK Army at a minimum 3 month and the Royal Marines who have the longest and toughest training of all armed forces at 9 months.

I was serving at the Commando Training Centre, Royal Marines and there was always an exchange visit between US Marines and RM. It ceased in 1978 as they refused to do the Commando course, the same happened when I worked with their Rangers on a 30 mole yomp over Dartmoor carrying 35 kg, not one of them lasted more than 12 miles.

The US forces are technology dependent which is another reason for the high friendly fire rate. When I was in Queensland working with the Aussie SAS I heard the very same briefing that UK soldiers get - watch out for the yanks and friendly fire. We actually don't refer to it as friendly fire but 'negligent fire'.

I sit at a bar in Bangkok and I hear two yanks talking about AYE RAK. Two obese mouth organs telling stories that defy belief. You've lost every war you've taken part in. If you can't blanket bomb then you're clueless because Vietnam showed up the very poor soldiering skills and from then on you've learned nothing.

It would be nice if an American could come on here and not describe himself in the past-tense- I'm ex...I'm a AYE RAK Vet. It means nothing to me as I have experiences that are not un-similar to that video showing poorly trained soldiers making idiots of themselves, just like they did in Vietnam.

Wow, the UK forces I personally trained, showed them the best way to use new weapons, and then in 2007 volunteered to delploy with them (put my money where my mouth was) to Bashra where my training stopped them from getting killed every day with 3-7 rocket attacks a day.  I lived in the same quarters, ate with them and worked with them to overcome challenges of new/foreign equipment.  I still have shrapnel from that experience. 

I did not have a problem with most of them.  But then for some reason I get along very well with combat soldiers, it is REMFs I have get into major conficts with. 

However, Beckworth learned a lot from SAS training and I thanks the UK for it. 

[urleft]

Where is Urleft..................??

Taking care of the important things in life, like my wife's birthday. 

[urleft]

From the county that preaches democracy and denies millions the right to vote...http://tinyurl.com/8w5u7p2

And for those who are not aware Al Jazeera is banned in the USA and no reason given. I my experience its one of the most impartial and balance media organizations in the world.

Are you for real? 

From the article:  It's also the case these would-be voters are much less likely to have driving licences, birth certificates, or any other sort of documentation required by the avalanche of voter-ID laws, being marketed to "protect the vote", so those figures are probably only going to get worse, and the US media is not going to help you understand how or why.


Wow, someone has to show a valid ID to vote to prove that are who they say that are, they are not dead, not illegal, and fraudulant.  You cannot get US Services (e.g., Medicare, Welfare, etc.) without an ID. 

And you think requiring an ID is dening the right to vote?  The Democrat party needs you.

However, these are other things that need an ID (I cannot see where you need ID to buy cigarettes is worse than needing an ID to vote):
 
 

 

[urleft]

With respect ,,,,,are YOU trying to tell me that because I have a business I'm not allowed 'free speech'.?
AND after reading that utter load of waffle I would suggest you start to live in the 'real world' or get serious medical help urgently.
Just for the record I have many friends & customers from various American descents including Korean-Americans & German-Americans.......Have a nice Day!!!!!

As far as I am concerned you are allowed to say whatever you want, and people are free to choose not to listen.   When you call people thick because they don't agree with you or say they need mental help, maybe you should try to look elsewhere than where you are looking for your opinions. 

If you had taken time to read the 1st post carefully ,BEFORE jumping in with both feet,it clearly states, SOME Americans are THICK........I dont think even you can disagree with that.Have a nice day!!

And Nookie, I think it is fun to banter exchange views.  However, just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are wrong. 

You have twice accused of mental issues because my views do not agree with yours. 

So here is your post:

I've just seen a poll being conducted by THE BANGKOK POST which shows Romney well in the lead......I'm well aware how thick some Americans are but surely not all of them!!


They way I read this is that you are saying American's for Romney are Thick.  Am I misreading what you so clearly wrote? 

I take that as you calling me Thick, plus need medical help because I don't agree with you. 
 
My view is that since you cannot back you what you say with facts you are a bag of wind that is not worth listening to.   I am still waiting for you response as to "We all know why." a  67" latino man was not immediately charged with shooting a 72+" 180 pound black guy that on was on top beating him MMA ( Mixed Martial Arts) style. 
 
So while I tried to visit your business last month, that will be the last time.  I would visit your business mostly regardless of your personal opinions, but you want to personally insult me, I do not need to spend my money at such establishments.   
 
However, I wish you luck with your business model.  And you have a great day. 
 



 

[Jamaw]

Urleft- the ID post I have no problem with,I just posted it for consumption.

As for your service, I'm not in a position to comment but respect your post.

In my experience, anyone that has served 25+ years is in a non-combat position although I will concede there are members of the uk army that go up to 22 years. I personally did 12 years in a commando unit specialising in anti-terrorism in the peak time of the1980's and that was about 2 to 3 too long as my body couldn't take anymore and the pressure of my family not knowing where i was or what I was doing took its toll.

I do not aim directly at you but neither do I detract from anything I've posted as neither me or any other colleagues enjoyed working with Americans in the theatre of battle. Sorry, but it's a fact stated by those of us in the front line, Aussies, Kiwis and Canooks; quite simply, you haven't learned from Vietnam that your forces,that is land forces and air forces are a liability.

Regretfully, this should not reflect upon the ordinary US soldier who will always do his best but upon the clowns that lead them.

Just to conclude, we have sent the sons of parliamentarians and royalty into war zones , recently Wills and Harry, their uncle also served bravely in the Falklands. I'm informed that only one immediate relative of US Senators has served intone past 20+ years. I don't know if that's accurate but knowing both Clinton and George W. we're both draft dodgers doesn't set a good example.

I conclude by stating it gives me no pleasure to bring up these matters but as stated previously I'm sick of listening to obese mouth organs from the USA telling us what heroes they were when history and experience tells me different.

These subjects are best not discussed on boards like these as the ignorant and ill-informed will make irrelivant comments and others such as you and me will make comments that cannot be verified.

And finally, as one who was responsible for liaison with US Marines and their families in uk the biggest thing that scared them, the most challenging obstacle that few ever managed to overcome was the British driving test.

[urleft]

Urleft- the ID post I have no problem with,I just posted it for consumption.

As for your service, I'm not in a position to comment but respect your post.

In my experience, anyone that has served 25+ years is in a non-combat position although I will concede there are members of the uk army that go up to 22 years. I personally did 12 years in a commando unit specialising in anti-terrorism in the peak time of the1980's and that was about 2 to 3 too long as my body couldn't take anymore and the pressure of my family not knowing where i was or what I was doing took its toll.

I do not aim directly at you but neither do I detract from anything I've posted as neither me or any other colleagues enjoyed working with Americans in the theatre of battle. Sorry, but it's a fact stated by those of us in the front line, Aussies, Kiwis and Canooks; quite simply, you haven't learned from Vietnam that your forces,that is land forces and air forces are a liability.

Regretfully, this should not reflect upon the ordinary US soldier who will always do his best but upon the clowns that lead them.

Just to conclude, we have sent the sons of parliamentarians and royalty into war zones , recently Wills and Harry, their uncle also served bravely in the Falklands. I'm informed that only one immediate relative of US Senators has served intone past 20+ years. I don't know if that's accurate but knowing both Clinton and George W. we're both draft dodgers doesn't set a good example.

I conclude by stating it gives me no pleasure to bring up these matters but as stated previously I'm sick of listening to obese mouth organs from the USA telling us what heroes they were when history and experience tells me different.

These subjects are best not discussed on boards like these as the ignorant and ill-informed will make irrelivant comments and others such as you and me will make comments that cannot be verified.

And finally, as one who was responsible for liaison with US Marines and their families in uk the biggest thing that scared them, the most challenging obstacle that few ever managed to overcome was the British driving test.

OK, maybe I misunderstood you. 

Yes, the average troop would not keep up with the SAS, not even sure about our Rangers as having worked with them they seem more brawn that brains. 

And one of my SF buddies said about his NCOs, they have a lot of heart (despite being overwieght), this was 1979.   

I don't fault the troops.  Some have it, some don't.  The problems lies at the strategic level with doing what it takes to win.   You want to win, you kill the enemy where he is, even if you have to cross a "neutral" border to do it.  From the Korean war on the US has failed to fight a war to win, they let international boundries stop them, allowing safe haven to the enemy.     

Yes, the average American soldier would not make the SAS, I doubt I would.  But my high school buddy (retired E8) did, we exchanged some good stories about that over some beer.   

There are soldiers, the guys that fight.

There are elite soldiers that take the tough jobs.

There are special elite soldiers that infiltrate and destroy. 

And there are about 1 out of 10,000 that exceed us all.  I am not one of these. 

However, we are all pawns to our civilian leadership (or lack there of). 

But overall, the world is a better place because of American soldiers.  How many countries have American Soldiers occupied?  How many of these are still occupied and controlled by these American soldiers? 

Are we finding common ground Jamaw?

[urleft]

I don't know if that's accurate but knowing both Clinton and George W. we're both draft dodgers doesn't set a good example.

Don't go here!

Neither was a draft dodger, they both used legal means availble to them. 

Clinton used ROTC to defer a possible draft, and when he saw is "number" would not be drafted he quit ROTC.  Right or wrong, it was legal what he did. 

George W flew F-102's, an air to air interceptor for the Texas National Guard.  Air to Air combat in Vietnam was not a priority.  There is speculation that W volunteered for Vietnam (not sure).  However, the AWOL assertions against W are all crap, the rules are different for an officer than a enlisted.  If an officers fails to drill he is sent to the IRR (idividual Ready Reserve), he is not AWOL.  He is only AWOL if he fails to adhere to orders to deploy.  An officier missing a drill is not AWOL.   

As a conservative I don't agree with what Cliton did, however, he was legally correct.  As far as Geoge W, he did everything required of him, and could have been sent to Vietnam, but was never selected.   But I have a lot of fighter pilot friends, they would like nothing more than prove themselves in combat; I have read W volunteered to go (but not selected) and it did not happen.  I can easily believe that based on crazy pilots I have worked with. 

[Alan]

Testosteron overload............One lovely ederly gentleman by the name of Graham Miller befriended me in his latter years. He joked many times about the monies he had made and lost. Shared many a meal and a beer together but always he kept something private which I respected. It was only after his passing I learned he was ex SBS.