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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2011, 05:38:01 PM »
one hell of a wake from 1,000 boats not to mention the water displacement.

No Wake.... the boats are all stationary,they are using the propellers to speed up the water flow .I still don't think it will work as well as they think though !!!

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Re: Floods all over Thailand! Homes evacuated as dams release excess water.
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2011, 07:50:10 PM »
Why don't they put loads of sandbags all along the route, then get a coyote to drop a huge Acme rock from a mountain into the water and watch as the water empties out to sea.

I'm sure that would work I saw it on the Discovery Channel (or it might have been Cartoon Network, I always get those two confused!!)

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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2011, 07:59:19 PM »
What Thailand needs is a A Knight in Shining Armor who has the answer  love5   :laugh:  :laugh:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/260678/thaksin-proposes-b400bn-solution/page-1/ 

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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2011, 08:42:47 PM »
Why don't they put loads of sandbags all along the route, then get a coyote to drop a huge Acme rock from a mountain into the water and watch as the water empties out to sea.

I'm sure that would work I saw it on the Discovery Channel (or it might have been Cartoon Network, I always get those two confused!!)

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Re: Floods all over Thailand! Homes evacuated as dams release excess water.
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2011, 11:18:18 PM »
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ABOUT 100 crocodiles have escaped from a farm in central Thailand, sparking new fears as the country struggles to overcome crippling floods that have left more than 250 people dead.

The crocodiles escaped when Crocodile Farm Uthai Thani was inundated with floodwater over the weekend, The Bangkok Post reported today.

Thailand's Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department is now seeking to calm fears, with Thirapat Prayoonsit, the department's deputy chief, saying most of the escaped crocodiles were young and less than three-feet (1m) long.

"Please do not panic," Thirapat said. "The crocodiles are not fierce like those living in the wild. On the contrary, they are rather scared of people."

Still, officials told The Post the department was recruiting specialist crocodile hunters to help catch the reptile escapees.

Government officials in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam say more than 500 people have died across the three countries during unusually heavy monsoon rains over the past two weeks.

More than 250 of the deaths were recorded in Thailand, while more than 200 -- including 83 children -- have died in Cambodia.

Huge efforts are now underway to stop the waters from reaching low-lying Bangkok, home to 12 million people, with prevention measures including sandbags along the Chao Phraya river, AFP reported.

A large amount of runoff water is expected to reach the city in the next few days, while high tides will make it harder for the floods to flow out to sea.

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Re: Floods all over Thailand! Homes evacuated as dams release excess water.
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2011, 02:41:59 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2011, 10:28:44 AM »
Are the boats working   pray1

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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2011, 01:16:31 PM »
Here is a site with some of the best ( though sad  :( ) Photos of the flood so far !!

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/10/worst-flooding-in-decades-swamps-thailand/100168/

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Re: Floods all over Thailand! Homes evacuated as dams release excess water.
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2011, 09:21:58 PM »
Centre: No need to panic
BKK Post 2011-10-13

BANGKOK: -- In a live telecast broadcast on TV pool, flood relief centre director Pol Gen Pracha Phromnok assures the public that there is no need to panic as the government can cope with the situation.


The water level in Nakhon Sawan rises a little, but below Chao Phraya dam in Chai Nat the water level is stable or declines a little.

The waterflow rate into the sea is still quite satisfactory despite high tide earlier this morning.

The fear that rising water will breach Pathum Thani's water gates and flood Bangkok has yet to materialise. Water level in Khlong Prem Prachakorn that flows into Bangkok is not abnormally high.

The earlier warning to evacuate to high grounds was only a precaution for people living in low-lying areas. There is no need to panic. The most that people in outlying areas of Bangkok will face is about knee deep or waist deep, while inner Bangkok is still safe as the Chao Phraya river level is manageable.
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Re: Floods all over Thailand! Homes evacuated as dams release excess water.
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2011, 05:32:27 PM »
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Published: 14/10/2011 at 01:05 PM
Bangkok Post: Online news: Local News
 
The city of Bangkok can rest assured, for now at least, that it will escape the devastating floods, despite a panicky false alarm by the science minister, and a dedicated environmental campaigner jailed for a minor offence 10 years ago.


The most-asked question of the week, whether inner Bangkok will be flooded or not, appears to have been settled, for now. Both Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and Bangkok Governor ukhumbhand Paribatra announced separately that the inner city and areas within the floodwalls are safe.

The assurances will, to a certain extent, ease the worry of many Bangkokians, who are uncertain what they should do – whether to prepare for the worst and stock up on food, water and other necessities, move their valuables to higher ground, or just do nothing and wait for a red alert from the government.

Peak tides are predicted from today through to Monday and will hamper efforts to speed up the flow of water into the Gulf and push up the water level in the Chao Phraya river, which was yesterday measured at 2.3 metres from the foot of the 2.5-metre-high floodwalls.

But while Bangkokians are to be spared the wrath of the country’s worst flood in memory, for now at least, their fellow countrymen to the immediate west and east of the capital - such as Chachoengsao, Suphan Buri, Samut Sakhon and Samut Prakan - are made to bear the brunt of the flooding. The government’s new plan is to divert the huge mass of water overflowing from the Chao Phraya river to the Tha Chin and Bang Pakong rivers, which is supposed to speed up the flow of water out into the Gulf of Thailand.

The reduction of the volume of excess water released from the Bhumibol dam in Tak province and the Sirikit dam in Uttradit province has also eased the pressure on the Chao Phraya river. This was made possible in conjunction with the reduction of the flow of water into the dams as a result of decreased rainfall in areas upstream.

Nevertheless, many people in Bangkok’s Sai Mai district and Pathum Thani’s Klong Luang, Lam Look Ka, northern Rangsit and Thammasat University’s Rangsit campus were given a big shock when they were urged to evacuate immediately by Science and Technology Minister Plodprasop Suraswadi on Thursday night.

"Rush to Don Mueang (airport) immediately. The government cannot tell how many hours are left," Mr Plodprasop told them, through the media.

Mr Plodprasop was left with a big red face soon afterward, as it turned out that his alert was a false alarm.

The minister appeared to have wrongly believed that the sluice gate at Klong Ban Phrao in Pathum Thani’s Sam Khoke district had completely collapsed and efforts to fix it had failed. The truth was that attempts to fix the damaged sluice gate were continuing and repair teams managed to complete most of the work.

The false alarm prompted Deputy Prime Minister Pracha Promnok, who heads the flood relief operations centre at Don Mueang, to quickly make an announcement urging residents to remain calm and that there was no need to evacuate.

In Ayutthaya province, attempts to save the Hi-Tech industrial estate failed yesterday after the strong river current broke through the flood barriers. About 400 soldiers were deployed to try to salvage the industrial estate.

With the water mass now diverted to the eastern and western corners of Bangkok, industrial estates in Samut Prakan are now at risk of flooding, besides residential areas in the province, Chachoengsao, Samut Sakhon and Suphan Buri.

Prime Minister Yingluck will head a meeting this Monday of economic ministers and representatives from the Bank of Thailand and the private sector to assess to economic loss from the flooding.

For a non-flood story, Tuesday’s verdict by the Supreme Court upholding the conviction of a celebrated environmental activist, Ms Jintana Kaewkhao, is a subject of much interest among environment-conscious people and human rights advocacy groups.

On Jan 13, 2001, Ms Jintana, who lives in Ban Krut, and her group went to a Chinese banquet hosted by the Union Power Development Company, developer of the since-cancelled coal-fired power plant in Bang Saphan district of Prachuap Khiri Khan, to submit a letter opposing the construction of a 1,400-megawatt power plant.

Their visit caused a fracas and she was later accused of trespassing and splashing wastewater on the dining tables.

Ms Jintana was jailed for four months by the Supreme Court, which upheld her conviction for trespassing on the party. The court reduced the sentence from six months.

The court of first instance acquitted the environmentalist in 2005 citing weak evidence. However, the Appeals Court found her guilty of trespassing and sentenced her to six months imprisonment.

Ms Jintana was instrumental in the protest against the power plant project which was scrapped by the government in 2004. But before the project was shelved for good, another protest leader, Charoen Wat-aksorn, was murdered in June 2004.

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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2011, 08:10:11 PM »
Heavy rain in Bangkok predicted
Published: 15/10/2011 at 06:13 PM
Bangkok Post: Online news:
 
Monsoon trough still prevails over Central Plain, lower Northeast and Eastern regions, causing widespread rain and heavy rain in certain areas.

People in Buriram, Surin, Si Sa Ket and Ubon are warned about heavy rain and sudden flash floods from water runoff.


High pressure system from China is now bearing down on northern Vietnam and Laos and will reach the North and Northeast tomorrow causing widespread rain in the North and Northeast initially, then the weather will be cooler 1-3 celcius

Forecast for the North: Widespread rain covers 60%.

Forecast for Northeast: Widespread rain covers 70%.

Forecast for Central Plain:  Widespread rain covers 70% with heavy rain in certain areas mostly in Uthai Thani, Singburi, Ang Thong, Saraburi and Ayutthaya

Forecast for Bangkok:  Widespread rain covers 80% with heavy rain in certain areas.

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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2011, 07:30:36 PM »
We do not know what we are doing

Published: 16/10/2011 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News
 
Thailand is a tropical country with monsoon seasons. Annual flooding is even more a part of life than skin-whitening cream, but less so than corruption. Given climate change, deforestation, decades of poor planning and mismanagement, the flood disaster will get progressively worse and worse. The present disaster will pale compared to the next one.

Decades of mismanagement and short-sightedness cannot be blamed on any one government. It requires a collective effort to achieve this level of incompetence. But I can guarantee that in news meetings of every media organisation in the Kingdom over the past weeks, editors have been pulling their hair out over how to report the flooding situation accurately. The problem is the confusion and mixed messages given by the authorities.

This minister says one thing. That minister says something else.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, Science and Technology Minister Plodprasop Suraswadi, spokesperson Wim Rungwattanajinda, Justice Minister Pracha Promnok and Bangkok Governor MR Sukhumbhand Paribatra are all ''official authorities'' on the flood situation. But their stories are rarely ever the same.

Editors scratch their heads and ask, ''Can't these people have one centre of command and control, one voice and one direction?'' and ''Who's in charge here?''

All the confusion culminated on Thursday night when Minister Plodprasop suddenly rushed out of a cabinet meeting to tell the public that a sluice gate had burst and the north of Bangkok was about to be hit by a metre of floodwater. It was a false alarm.

This prompted mass panic and resulted in the Facebook wall of the Don Mueang flood relief operations centre receiving more hate messages than your average Bangkok socialite has had botox injections. The entire government was embarrassed. We just don't know what we are doing.

We complain when foreign governments issue warnings for their citizens to stay away from Thailand because we value tourism baht like school administrators value tea money.

At the same time, the Japanese embassy urged the flood relief operations centre to help foreign governments keep updated on what's going on by also reporting on situations in English. They can't know what's going on if we don't tell them.

In the comical irony that is life, a tear-drop may be worth a thousand words in English, or Japanese.

Deputy Prime Minister and Commerce Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong burst into tears and gave a consoling hug to a Japanese investor whose factory in the Bang Pa-In Industrial Estate was inundated by floodwater as efforts to strengthen the dykes failed.

The tears of failure should be sufficient to let foreign governments know exactly how things have fared.

In fact, if you watched the news, you saw the deputy prime minister bawling like a baby. Some may interpret these as genuine tears, while others may say it was just playing up for the cameras. After all, tears garnered worldwide good publicity for China's Prime Minister Wen Jiabao after the 2008 earthquake.

All the confusion led to Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand telling the public: ''Please listen to me and me alone. I will say when we should evacuate. Please believe me and only me.'' We just don't know what we are doing.

Take any old Hollywood disaster movie _ meteors about to hit the Earth, alien landings, the Earth's core out of whack, the coming of the apocalypse, or any old disaster.

The first thing they do is send out helicopters with stern-looking FBI men to pick up all the experts, whether they are academics or working in the relevant field.

They are the experts. They spend their entire lives becoming the experts. They know what they are doing.

They are put in charge and 90 minutes later the crisis is solved, with a couple of romantic hook-ups and an Oscar-winning original soundtrack to boot.

But instead of taking valuable life lessons from cheap pirated DVDs on Silom, we do the complete opposite. We make reality even more ridiculous than Hollywood makes fiction.

I am sure Minister Plodprasop is tech-savvy and a mean hand with a Bunsen burner. He probably knows quantum physics as well as any red-blooded Thai male knows a good massage. After all, he's the minister of science and technology.

I am certain Minister Pracha is a very just man and knows every letter of the law. In fact, while most people sing in the shower, he probably recites the constitution while having a bubble bath.

I'm willing to bet Prime Minister Yingluck is err, is umm, is err, is a wonderful business genius. After all, she's was a high-ranking executive in companies owned by her brother.

But how are any of these people experts in flood management?

Having all the ministers in the entire cabinet actively involved may be a sound publicity stunt at first. But is it sensible to ask a hairy, fat plumber to don ballerina spandex and dance Swan Lake?

We just don't know what we are doing. A fine example is Capt Somsak Khaosuwan, director of the National Disaster Warning Centre, who I interviewed some weeks ago. He knows the problems inside and out _ nature-made, man-made and politics-made.

He's the expert. He knows what he's doing. Is he in charge of things? No. He has to take orders from people who don't know what they are doing, even if they mean well.

It's the same old soap-opera tale of how Thailand can't get it together because good men are bogged down by politics.

Sure PM Yingluck has trouble articulating words and ideas, and at times simply does not know what's going on, but I do believe that she cares.

Certainly, Minister Plodprasop may be more excitable than a 17-year-old boy anxious to collect his girlfriend's promise on prom night, but I do believe he cares.

Of course, Democrat party chief Abhisit Vejjajiva is doing early campaigning and repairing his image, but I do believe he also truly cares.

Donation centres have to ask people to curtail their charitable impulses because they have run out of places to store the donations. Hundreds of volunteers, ordinary citizens, flock to disaster areas to help the victims.

We Thais care about each other, even if our leaders don't know what they are doing. So take that care and turn it into something positive.

First, admit that we simply do not know what we are doing. Second, learn from people who might. Perhaps seek help from countries that have mastered flood management.

Sure, every country is unique in its problems. Certainly, there's no one-size-fits-all solution. But of course, there are things that can always be learned and adapted. I do not know the model that works, but I do know the model that doesn't _ the one we are using.

Yes, the risk of losing face is great. To admit that we do not know what we are doing and worse, seek help from foreigners? The toll of the existential horror to the Thai identity may have us all foam at the mouth with blood.

But it's a burden that we must bear because the lives and livelihoods of our brothers and sisters surely hold more value than any vain delusion that stems from inner insecurities.

However, before we look anywhere else, why not simply put our own people _ who actually are the experts and know what they are doing _ in charge. Thailand is not short on good, capable people. We have plenty of them. We just prefer to bog them down in a web of politics and pettiness.

Or perhaps true experts can't be put in charge because flood management, like everything else, is a money game, as such it's heavily politicised. And that is another can of worms.

This entire story is typical, and decades in the making. The theme of incompetence; the plot of mediocrity; the characters that are self-righteous, vain and greedy; and the climax of disastrous loss of lives and livelihoods. Yes, there's something we know best how to do, to get things done in our favour. But unfortunately, Mother Nature doesn't take bribe money.


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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2011, 08:34:30 AM »
I am coming into BKK Tuesday night, hopefully the road between BKK and Buriram remains clear?


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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2011, 09:57:45 AM »
Yesterday buses were being diverted around the back of Don Muang as Rangsit is flooded

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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2011, 10:51:12 AM »
UPDATE,,,,,,,,The Highway 2 is closed South of the Highway 24 junction due to flooding ,all traffic is currently using the 304 thro Pak Chong Chai

 

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