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[TBWG]

    A GERMAN'S VIEW OF ISLAM....
     
    This  is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever  read. The references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy  to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this  Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected  psychiatrist. 

     A  German's View on Islam 

    A man,  whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of  large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true  Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very  few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German  pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just  thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and  let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost  control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I  ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my  factories.' 

    We are  told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the  religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in  peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely  irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant  to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in  the name of Islam. 

    The fact  is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the  fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars  worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or  tribal groups throughout  Africa  and are gradually taking over  the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb,  behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after  mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of  rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to  kill and to become suicide bombers. 

     
     
    The  hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent  majority,' is cowed and extraneous. 

    Communist  Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the  Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million  people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was  peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70  million people. 

    The  average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering  sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia  in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million  Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. 

    And who  can forget  Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be  said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'? 

    History  lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of  reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of  points: 

    Peace-loving  Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. 

    Peace-loving  Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend  from  Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own  them, and the end of their world will have begun. 

    Peace-loving  Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis,  Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died  because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for  us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that  counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life. 

     Lastly,  anyone who doubts that the issue is serious , is contributing to the passiveness that allows the  problems to expand.  Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it,  before it's too late.   
     
TBWG
 

[Admin]

I will jump on this opportunity and give my 2 cents..
In the middle east like in the middle east, rules and philosophy of the middle east does not apply and irrelevant to Europe geographic and demographic structure for so many reasons the forum maybe shouldn't be the place to discuss about it (or maybe yes).
Anyway, some people might think that just because they watched BBC or AL GAZEERA they know it all and got it all right.
YOU DONT.
Ignorance, lack of knowledge and stereotypes are your biggest enemy.

[boloa]

So what's your take on the Middle east and the March Of A Million In Cairo,Admin ,please inform us 

[Admin]

So what's your take on the Middle east and the March Of A Million In Cairo,Admin ,please inform us 

I didn't talked about Egypt but the whole Middle East region.
 
As for Egypt, time will tell. If Mubarak is a smart leader he will do the right thing to maintain his leadership and get his people trust again in a belief he will do some serious reforms in the country and economy because life there is just too hard for so many people.
Too many poor people and as we all know that is the source of most problems in the world, make people happy(money) and they will live in peace, if they have to fight every day for their bread you get very frustrated people and violence built up very quickly in this region and not only!
I am happy to see the Egyptians are fighting for their freedom and hope they will get it as it is their basic rights as human being and citizens.

[PBarnfeather]

Just a thought!

 Most Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslim.

[Paddyram]

Just a thought!

 Most Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslim.

That would depend on your definition of a terrorist. 
One man's terrorist is another man freedom fighter (or in this case defender of the faith)
For example, we had this discussion before re: Jerry Adams

[Paddyram]

One point I think should be made on the original post, is that one half of the historical examples Germany, China, Japan, Russia, etc., all relate to a political fanatism, that gained power in that country abandoned democracy to ensure they stayed in charge and then abused power.

The other half of the historic examples such as Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia and even Northern Ireland were all subdued ethnic conflicts that bubbled to the surface when one faction exerted power over the other, then the conflicts exploded.

The issue of the conflict between Islamic fundamentalists and Western society is different to any of the above examples, In that even if you can't criticise a philosphy Like Nazism or communism from within the country.  Other Western countries could and did criticise those regimes and stand up to them from outside. 
The ethic troubles could at least be contained (UN, etc.) by outside forces. 
So my point is that the 'Targets' of the Muslim fanatic's aggression are Western countries.  But these Western countries have maintained policies of not criticising any religion (especially Islam).  So the fanatics can hide behind these policies that are only there to protect ordinary practicing Muslims.   

So .... How do you stand up to Muslim Fanatics, without standing up against Islam and then insulting all the other muslims ? 
and since no one is seen as Neutral in this conflict, there are no mutually accepted peacekeepers and anyway no clear boundaries, this is world wide.  The Original post suggests to me that the ordinary people should have stopped their fanatics from within their own ranks (germans stop the rise of the Nazi, etc).  So how do you make Muslims stop their own fanatics ?  The only way would be to take away the reasons that ordinary muslims turn to or support fanatics. And while Western contries are meddling in the affairs of Muslim countries (backing preferred leaders (Pakistan/Egypt,etc.), or countries (Israel), invading to protect oil, etc.) then young muslims will still look skyward for guidance only to see older verions of themselves spreading hate from alters and offering revenge and a route to control some part of their own destiny.
End of Sermon.

[redrover]

Just a thought!

 Most Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslim.

Before going off and spouting such ignorant statements, one needs to understand how the world really works and real history.

[garytaffy]

Paddyram...fully agree with your comments

[Paddyram]

Paddyram...fully agree with your comments

Thanks   

[redrover]

Paddyram...fully agree with your comments

Might be a smidgen suspicious as to his heavy Eurocentric model. Real historiography examinations might take you elsewhere....

[Paddyram]

Paddyram...fully agree with your comments

Might be a smidgen suspicious as to his heavy Eurocentric model. Real historiography examinations might take you elsewhere....

Eurocentric ? ... fair point, but you write about what you know, don't ya. 
But what exactly would make you suspicious ?
There is no point in commenting on 'Real History' and then Nodding off  when someone discusses real history.  But please give me the non-eurocentric view-point. I'm always eager to see new points of view.

Just a thought!

 Most Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslim.

Before going off and spouting such ignorant statements, one needs to understand how the world really works and real history.

You threw the word 'ignorant' out there pretty quickly, in fairness he did say 'just a thought'.  Perhaps you might help one understand ?

[isanbirder]

Take no notice, Paddyram.  "Historiography examinations"  gives him away (what are they, anyway?).

[Paddyram]

  

[redrover]

Blindness is a virtue....