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Re: TM30 Online Reporting
« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2019, 02:03:44 PM »

I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.

If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.

Obviouly you know more than me about this but .......On Key Visa it says

What is a UK Settlement Visa?

" A UK settlement visa allows you to live in the UK with your Thai partner as man and wife. The foremost criteria for this visa is that you have been legally married in Thailand.

When the settlement visa is awarded to your Thai wife it is a 2 year and 9 month visa which can be extended while still in the UK at the UKVI, without your wife having to return to Thailand.

The extension given after the 2 years and 9 months is normally another 2 years and 3 months making the stay up to 5 years, this is to prove you are a genuine couple and still in an ongoing relationship.

The visa allows multiple entries so that your wife can return to Thailand on holiday and to visit family.

What can your wife legally do in the UK?

A UK Settlement visa allows your Thai wife to work legally, obtain a National Insurance number, be eligible for National health care, sign on with your local doctor and do pretty much all the same things as an English wife would be able to achieve.

Your Thai wife cannot claim Government benefits including job seekers allowance which is actually stated on the visa as, ?no recourse to any public funds.? So as the UK sponsor, your job is to financially take care of your Thai wife for the duration of your lives together in the UK.

https://www.keyvisathailand.com/uk-visas/uk-settlement-visa/


I guess you are going back unable to meet the Settlement Visa requirements hoping to find work to meet the requirements at a later date !!

Correct on all counts. There is a premium that has to be paid at time of application for NHS care.

I have work when I get there but will need to wait 6 months before my wife can apply for settlement. Need to show 6 months of payslips showing an annual salary of at least 18600 pounds.
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Re: TM30 Online Reporting
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2019, 03:25:58 PM »

Correct on all counts. There is a premium that has to be paid at time of application for NHS care.

I have work when I get there but will need to wait 6 months before my wife can apply for settlement. Need to show 6 months of payslips showing an annual salary of at least 18600 pounds.

I did read that 47% of the UK population are not going to earn enough money to be able to bring in a wife or a husband from a country outside of the EU. :(

My Mate that works as a Tesco Shelf Filler in the UK is having to send his new wife back  :)

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Re: TM30 Online Reporting
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2019, 04:39:09 PM »
Thailand's TM30 revisited: Clarifying the confusion?


For our regular Human Resource Watch series, we published on 24 June 2019 details of the TM30 Immigration reporting requirements as then understood. In response to many requests we now update from currently available information.

What is the TM30 reporting procedure?

This has been in force for forty years, since the Immigration Act of 1979. Under Section 38 of this Act, a householder, premises owner or hotel manager who receives a temporary non-immigrant resident to stay on the premises under their control is required to report the presence of that person. Reporting is to be made to the Immigration office having jurisdiction over that location. This reporting must be undertaken within 24 hours of arrival. This is not a new regulation. The announcement of 28 March 2019 was an announcement of enforcement of an existing regulation under the Immigration Act. This requirement has been observed by registered hotels for many years, but is now being required for all forms of accommodation used by non-immigrant foreigners.

Who must report?

The requirement to report is the duty of the person in control of the premises where the non-immigrant foreigner is staying, not the foreigners themselves. Those reporting may be:

- the manager of a hotel, hostel or other similar premises;
- the owner, whether a natural or juristic person, of an apartment, condominium or house;
- a person leasing premises used for habitation;
- the head of household as designated in a house registration book (tabien bahn) for occupants of their premises;
- a foreigner may be the person reporting, if that person is the owner of a condominium or of a house located on leased land.

Who must be reported under TM30?
All non-immigrants must be reported under TM30 regulations:

- Immigrants who are permanent residents (holders of TM17 Resident Books) do not have to be reported;
- holders of visas linked to work permits, including those with Board of Investment privileges, Smart Visas, Elite Cards, must be reported;
- holders of retirement visas, spouse visas, student visas, and research-related visas are to be reported.

When must reports be filed?

The responsible person must file a report within 24 hours of the arrival of the reported person at the premises.

- If a non-immigrant arrives on a Friday, reporting is permitted on a Monday;
- If there is a public holiday when the Immigration office is closed, reporting can be made on the next working day;
- If a person is travelling, such as from a land border, reporting can be within 24 hours of arrival at an accommodation, although this may exceed 24 hours from the time of border entry.

How and where is reporting to be conducted?

Reporting is to be undertaken within 24 hours of arrival at accommodation in the following manner:

- For Bangkok and some surrounding provinces, reporting is at the Immigration Department at Chaeng Wattana Road;
- For other provinces, reporting must be undertaken at the Immigration Office responsible for that location, or at the police station at the locality where a non-immigrant is residing;
- Reporting may be made on-line, but on first reporting, a report must normally be made in person to check validity of submitted documents;
- Reporting may be made by registered post, with evidence of posting within the required time limit;
- If reporting is beyond 24 hours after arrival, a fine is payable and must be made in person to assess and pay the fine.

What documents are required when reporting?
The following documents may be required:

- application form (TM30);
- title deed of premises (chanot) where the non-immigrant is staying;
- purchase / sale contract used to acquire the premises may be required;
- house registration certificate of the premises where the non-immigrant is staying;
- Identity Card of the person in control of the premises where the non-immigrant is staying;
- if a corporate owner, affidavit of the company indicating authorised signatories;
- if a corporate owner or representative of the owner, power of attorney authorising that person to represent the corporate or natural person owner;
- identity documents of authorised signatories and receivers of power of attorney;
- copy of passport identity details, current visa, most updated Thailand arrival stamp and immigration departure card (TM 6) of the non-immigrant to be registered.

Upon registration, a receipt will be issued in evidence of reporting performance.

What happens if there is delayed reporting or failure to report?

A report must be submitted within 24 hours of each entry of a non-immigrant into Thailand.

- In case of delay or failure to report;
- If reporting is beyond 24 hours of arrival at accommodation, a fine of Baht 800 may be imposed. According to the present regulations, these fines may be from Baht 800 to Baht 2,000 per occasion. For hotel managers, the fine would increase from Baht 2,000 to Baht 10,000;
- If a non-immigrant fails to be reported and subsequently seeks extension or renewal of visa, including renewal visa for work, retirement, spouse or other reason, the Immigration Department may reject such extension;
- It is reported that the Chamchuree Service Centre, which processes visas and work permits for Board of Investment applicants, Smart Visas, Elite Cards and holders of work permit for companies of registered capital of Baht 30 million upwards, does not require, evidence of TM30 registration. However this does not exempt those required to report non-immigrants from their reporting obligation;
- Non-immigrants who travel out of Thailand, whether on a single journey, multiple entry or re-entry permits are required to re-register on each occasion that they enter Thailand.

How to deal with ?problem cases??

?Problem cases? have arisen, including the following:

- A person having responsibility to report the presence of a non-immigrant foreigner sometimes refuses to report. In this case a non-immigrant has no alternative but to re-locate to another accommodation. The non-immigrant may offer to pay the Baht 800 fine himself on behalf of the owner, and undertake representation for registration;
- A reporting party may be overseas or lack necessary documents. Relocation may be necessary, alternatively it may be possible to obtain copies of documents, and a fine may be payable because of reporting delay;
- An original report may have been filed, but reports for repeated overseas trips may not have been made. A number of fines may then be payable. If the non-immigrant covers the cost, the necessary reporting can be brought up to date, enabling visa renewal to be completed.

What additional requirement may exist under Article 37 of the Immigration Act?

The Immigration Act 1979 also provides for reporting of domestic travel of non-immigrants when already in Thailand.

These requirements are as follows:

- If a non-immigrant relocates from one location already notified to Immigration, to another location, the Immigration Department must be notified by the non-immigrant of that relocation within 24 hours;
- If a non-immigrant moves from a location in one province to another province for a period of longer than 24 hours, the non-immigration is required to inform the police station in the location of arrival within 48 hours of arrival.
- Non-immigrants are required to report in person or in writing to the Immigration Department every 90 days.

The above details are provided as guidelines, but no responsibility can be taken for any inaccuracy or misinformation, however caused. For action advice, guidance should be sought from the Immigration Department.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1734775/thailands-tm30-revisited-clarifying-the-confusion-?fbclid=IwAR2R9AamjZSJBqi5fQW2Vv0nFdoRYn0E1NdSM6Tw-j72mVpEpou4NYdGjq4

I'm Glad that's cleared everything up  party6

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Re: TM30 Online Reporting
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2019, 06:01:00 PM »
At the end of the day, any announcement is irrelevant for those living in Buriram.

Buriram immigration only require a TM30 once.

I personally know of quite a few expats who have registered a TM30 at BI, gone on holidays both in and out of Thailand, not bothered registering another TM30, gone to immigration for a 90 day report or an extension of stay and had no problems. Me included.

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Re: TM30 Online Reporting
« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2019, 08:24:39 PM »
At the end of the day, any announcement is irrelevant for those living in Buriram.

Buriram immigration only require a TM30 once.

I personally know of quite a few expats who have registered a TM30 at BI, gone on holidays both in and out of Thailand, not bothered registering another TM30, gone to immigration for a 90 day report or an extension of stay and had no problems. Me included.

This is and interesting post.

Many other expats sites are going ballistic about the TM30.

People moaning about Online not working. Being fined because owner of rented property didn't do it.

Anyone here having problems? Do we need to do it at Buriram yet?

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Re: TM30 Online Reporting
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2019, 07:31:41 AM »
IO at the stadium office says yes we must but at the other office I was told no, only if you change address. This was 3 weeks ago.

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Re: TM30 Online Reporting
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2019, 11:17:22 AM »
IO at the stadium office says yes we must but at the other office I was told no, only if you change address. This was 3 weeks ago.

Well thats tipical Thai Immigration for you , told 2 different rules from to different offices  ................ but TBH the worst case scenario is a 800 baht fine.
On my last 90 day border run ( as I'm on a Multi 'O' from Savannakhet ) I normally go to Chong Sa Ngam, it adds about 35k overall to my trip but the Cabodian Visa is 300B cheaper there and they only charge/scam 200 B for not staying overnight where as Chong Jom charge/scam 300B, so overall its 400B cheaper for me to go to the Chong Sa Ngam crossing.
Anyway the last time I went the Thai Immigration Officer at Chong Sa Ngam told me not to come to the Chong Sa Ngam crossing anymore because as I live in Surin I should use the Chong Jom Border crossing .  angry1
I told him the reason I came to Chong Sa Ngam is because its 400B cheaper and if he was ME what would he do ???
Also I said there is no Immigration law that says I must use a certain border crossing . He just smiled at me  biggrin1 ( because he had no answer ) and I went though over to the Cambodian Immigration Office.
The reason I have told you all this is because it just shows you just because an Immigration officer tells you something it doesn't mean it right .
So to save getting fined I would recommend anyone that goes away on holiday to report a TM30 or risk having to pay 800B....the choice is yours
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